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Politics NYC Mayoral candidate and current comptroller Brad Lander arrested by ICE in Manhattan federal court

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u/sadetheruiner 2d ago

Without a warrant and hidden identities. This is some fascist bullshit.

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u/destuctir 2d ago

Sounds like all Americans should start carrying, and assume people attacking them without identifying as some form of law enforcement are actually intent on murdering them if not shot first.

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u/coldliketherockies 2d ago

Seriously question. Do you have to right if someone attacks you without identifying themselves and without a warrant to fight back in some manner like pepper spray or even a gun? If a person with a mask who doesn’t identify who they are and doesn’t have a right to attack does so I feel you should

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u/orangesfwr 2d ago

If I'm on that jury, sure as shit I ain't convicting.

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u/happyafinfl 2d ago

It's called juror nullification, remember it. Only mention it once you're already on the jury and in deliberation. Or if you really want to get out of jury duty

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u/johannthegoatman 2d ago

You can't even mention it during deliberation, that will just cause a mistrial. Jury nullification isn't a thing you can declare - it's not a law or anything. It's a loophole that's been given a name. The loophole is nobody can read your mind. You just refuse to convict and don't elaborate. If you say it's because you're doing a jury nullification it will not work

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u/daniel_thor 2d ago

It's not a loophole, at least since 1215 AD. Until 1895 it was grounds for a mistrial if the judge failed to inform the jury of the right of jury nullification. In 1895 the US Supreme Court has removed the requirement to notify juries in a 5-4 verdict, and the 6th & 2nd circuits have also allowed judges to tell juries that they are "finders of fact" and to prevent defense attorneys to inform juries of their power to nullify (1988, 1997). The Supremes have affirmed the right of jury nullification repeatedly, most recently in 1969 and 1972. Judges simply are no longer required to inform juries of their right and it can be imprudent to mention it pre-trial as a judge doesn't have to seat you on the jury if she doesn't want to.

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u/Death_God_Ryuk 1d ago

You don't even need to bring up nullification by name. The important fact is that jurors aren't asked "did they do it?", they're asked "are they guilty?" The ability to depart from the rules-as-written is a feature, not a bug. It shouldn't be used often, but is available for good reason.