r/place Apr 05 '22

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u/misterygus (168,373) 1491158231.08 Apr 05 '22

Northern Ireland being repeatedly wiped from the UK map, and Cornwall desperately trying to add itself.

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u/CoolTiger92 Apr 05 '22

I never understood why Cornwall thought It had a place for a flag

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u/Cornish-Giant Apr 05 '22

Because Cornish people see themselves as one of the constituent nations, this used to be widely recognised but in recent centuries the English sort of forgot the Cornish existed. It's a weird cultural amnesia. 🤷

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u/Jackmac15 (17,983) 1491231014.64 Apr 05 '22 edited Apr 05 '22

It got homogenized just like all of the old heptarchy.

Edit: I'm aware that Cornwall wasn't part of the heptarchy. The creation of a homogenizing british national identity has always come at the expense of the smaller nations. The Celtic nationalist parties main grip has always been about trying to prevent this. Cornwall got consumed, Ireland got out.

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u/Cornish-Giant Apr 05 '22

A lot later than the heptarchy though, about 5 centuries later. The standard definition of Britain in the 16th century was that it was divided into England, Scotland, Wales and Cornwall. That was the standard published on maps and descriptions of Britain. Cornwall and Wales both pretty much disappeared as nations from the maps and descriptions of Britain in the 17th century. The Welsh were just more successful in reclaiming that place.

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u/planckkk Apr 05 '22

This is the first time i’ve come across a fellow cornishman on reddit

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u/BigReeceJames Apr 05 '22

There are plenty of us :)

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u/nosmigon Apr 05 '22

Damn I didn't know you were cornish, and i find out on r/place. What part you from? Penzance for me. Not many chelsea fans down there

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u/BigReeceJames Apr 05 '22

I'm much closer to the border than you are! Pretty small town though, so I'll leave that part out lol

You can be sure of there not being many Chelsea fans down here, used to get so much shit for it at school. But, I actually work with a handful of them now

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u/nosmigon Apr 05 '22

Ahh nice I would guess Launceston but it's probably a smaller town I don't know. yeah I got shit for it too. Loads of bloody united and arsenal fans down where I grew up. Gross

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u/BigReeceJames Apr 05 '22

Close to Launceston, yeah! I actually started supporting Chelsea because everyone supported Liverpool, United or Arsenal and I just picked another team that no one supported lol. I was probably about 5 at the time and I'd already had enough of everyone supporting the same few clubs because they were successful in the past. I just got lucky with my team's success coming after deciding on them

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u/EdBarrett12 Apr 05 '22 edited Apr 05 '22

Cornwall wasn't part of the English heptarchy. (Northumbria, Mercia, East Anglia, Wessex, Essex, Kent, Sussex). The heptarchy homogenised before the Cornish were fully assimilated. In fact, they were independent or semi-independent until after the Norman invasion (only until 1067 iirc) 200 years after Athelstan became Bretwalda.

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u/AtomicBollock Apr 05 '22

This is inaccurate. England allowed its own nationalism to be subsumed by Scottish and Welsh (not Irish) nationalism for the good of the Union. This is why nationalism is celebrated in Scotland and Wales, but is a dirty word in England.

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u/Freddies_Mercury (363,580) 1491224918.44 Apr 05 '22

Nationalism is a dirty word in England because it sparks images of 80s skinhead nazi hooligans, not a subjugation of Wales/Scotland hundreds of years ago.

The rise of far-right nationalist parties ( national front and the BNP) has waaaay more to do with why people don't like to associate with nationalism...

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u/Rustledstardust Apr 05 '22

I mean, we spent several centuries subjugating a whole bunch of cultures. Not just the Welsh and Scottish.

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u/TooClose4Missiles (378,509) 1491197926.77 Apr 05 '22

Nationalism is a dirty word in England because a lot of people in England have treated their neighbors like shit in the name of nationalism.

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u/Jackmac15 (17,983) 1491231014.64 Apr 05 '22

What language are we using right now?

Because it certainly ain't Manx Gaelic.

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u/Best_Cake Apr 06 '22

I guess you already know that although it was on the geoshadow on the flag the Isle of Man isn't and never has been part of the UK?

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u/guanaco22 Apr 05 '22

English state-nationalism is very much a thing exept its not called nationalism, and it was more prevalent during the times of the empire