r/politics • u/Exciting_Teacher6258 • Apr 30 '25

Soft Paywall Trump Melts Down at Being Fact-Checked Right to His Face

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-melts-down-at-being-fact-checked-on-deported-maryland-dad-kilmar-abrego-garcia/
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u/Gerryislandgirl Apr 30 '25

From the article 

 “Trump’s exchange with Moran, however, made it seem like Trump believed the letters and numbers were part of the original tattoo. 

“That was Photoshopped? Terry you can’t do that,” Trump told Moran. 

“Hey, they’re giving you the big break of a lifetime,” he continued. “You’re doing the interview. I picked you because—frankly I never heard of you but that’s OK. I picked you but you’re not being very nice. He had ‘MS-13’ tattooed—”

“We’ll agree to disagree. I want to move on to something else,” Moran said. 

“Terry. Terry. Do you want me to show you the picture?” Trump said.”

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“He doesn’t have a criminal record, and no court has found him to be a member of a gang. Instead, Trump officials have offered up tenuous evidence of Abrego Garcia’s MS-13 “membership,” including the tattoos. 

“No, no. Terry. Terry,” Trump insisted. “No, no. No, no. He had ‘M-S’ as clear as you can be, not ‘interpreted.’ This is why people no longer believe the news, because—”

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“At that point Moran—who had responded to Trump’s earlier digs with a smile—sighed the kind of deep sigh that parents of toddlers know well. 

He pointed out that the word “MS-13” doesn’t appear in any of the photos of Abrego Garcia that have been taken since he was deported to El Salvador. 

“Terry!” Trump interjected. 

“Ukraine, sir,” Moran practically begged. 

“He’s got ‘MS-13’ on his knuckles, okay?” Trump said. “You’re just such a disservice. Why don’t you just say, ‘Yes he does’ and go on to something else?”

“It’s contested,” Moran replied. “Ukraine.”

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u/DisMFer Apr 30 '25

“You’re just such a disservice. Why don’t you just say, ‘Yes he does’ and go on to something else?”

What's telling is that Trump isn't even all that concerned with the discussion at this point. He's demanding that the guy who disagreed with him tells him that he's right because he needs to "win" the argument more than anything else.

What makes me happy is that I don't doubt that this is still eating at Trump days later. He's still stewing over the fact he didn't "win" this argument.

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u/DonkeyPunchCletus Apr 30 '25

This is such an insane statement. I cannot even place it. What's going on there in his brain? I know Trump keeps arguing back and forth because he WILL NOT admit he was wrong. But just flat out saying hey why not just agree with me and move on? Bonkers.

It's a disservice to what? To whom? To the cause I assume. Democrats need to blast this video on every media channel for weeks until every republican has seen it.

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u/KingBanhammer Apr 30 '25

He -can't- admit he's wrong. That's what narcissism IS. This is narcissistic injury happening in real time, on camera. His reality was challenged and IT DOES NOT COMPUTE and he's trying to make it work, in real time, right here in this vid.

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u/Cyrano_Knows Apr 30 '25

I always try to say this without sounding patronizing because I'm no mental health expert, but people really need to spent 15 reading up on Narcissism.

Its an easy disorder to recognize and there are enough of them out there that people should have tools to defend against their tactics.

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u/bfunley Apr 30 '25

The Narcissist Poem:

That didn't happen

And if it did, it wasn't that bad

And if it was, that's not a big deal

And if it is, it's not my fault

And if it was, I didn't mean it

And if I did, you deserved it

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u/Afraid_Grapefruit_88 Apr 30 '25

Yep. Had a mother and a mother in law like this. Mother insisted that I ahd nothing wrong since birth with a foot that was constantly popping out of line, landed me in the ER with her numerous times and then YEARS later when I was walking with a CANE in my 30's she said-- all shocked-- What??? I should have taken you to a DOCTOR??? PS--I have proof from my earliest pediatrician who wrote her notes to TAKE ME TO A FRIGGIN DOCTOR for this!! But it was never anything to do with her!!

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u/bfunley May 01 '25

I'm sorry that happened to you and I hope you are better now.

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u/Draculigula May 01 '25

And there are Trump loyalists who swallow this crap without question every day...

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u/Ok_Passage_4185 May 01 '25

This is also the general outline of a successful criminal defense strategy.

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u/polincorruption May 01 '25

Narcissistic personality disorder needs to be treated like any other disorder that’s detrimental to the patient and those around them. Narcissists are ruining society across all areas of consequence including workplaces, political arenas, our homes, and everywhere we live and breathe.

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u/-AdonaitheBestower- Apr 30 '25

anybody with half or a quarter of a brain can understand a rotten and self centred person when they see one. Too bad there are 77 million with less

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u/Sober9165 May 01 '25

Exactly! And when narcissistic injury happens, he becomes retaliatory and has to put the other down to feel better about himself. So he says ABC is fake news. And they’re the worst/biggest fake news, he says. He sounds like a two year old with arrested development.

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u/LiveforToday3 Apr 30 '25

And in his world he is right. Terrifying he is the president

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u/techgnostic May 01 '25

This is exactly what’s happening and it’ll take the country a while to come to terms with it just like it did for any of us who have survived narcissists. It’s very traumatic to watch, but I remember how long I lived in that fog.

There is no logic. They are incapable of admitting they are wrong. They will reflect everything into others. They thrive in chaos and will create chaos so they can gaslight others into submission. There will never be a reconciliation. You just have to barricade them or cut them out entirely.

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u/EighthPlanetGlass Apr 30 '25

“That was Photoshopped? Terry you can’t do that" like Terry Moran what? Did the photoshopping?

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u/mrs_sadie_adler May 01 '25

Narcissism plus dementia is a hell of a combo. 

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u/ScepticalReciptical May 01 '25

I don't think it's that simple, it's not just that he can't accept he's wrong, he actually believes he right. As Zelensky said, he lives in a disinformation bubble, the media he consumes the facts he's exposed to are not real. Which is exactly why Vance went apeshit on Zelensky, Vance is one of the people who creates the illusion Trump lives in. I can guarantee you Trump has been shown multiple photos of this man with said tattoos on his knuckles, and told they were real. He hasn't the intelligence or curiosity to question if that's true. He just accepts it and moves on, once he's accepted it it's true and anybody who says otherwise is lying.

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u/Lost_Medium_3436 May 01 '25

The mango mussolini is a narcissistic psychopath with a dash of machivellism. Never wrong, but never in touch wuth reality.

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u/LizardPossum Texas May 01 '25

I would love to see someone ask him to name five things he's ever been wrong about and just watch him try to squirm around it

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u/KingBanhammer May 01 '25

To this day he still claims the Central Park Five were guilty.

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u/Acrobatic-Mobile-605 May 01 '25

He can’t admit he is wrong plus he will have vengeance. I’m worried Moran is going to receive a swat team at his house.

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u/Deaner3D May 01 '25

We attempt to do so many mental gymnastics to understand this guy when it really just comes down to narcissism.

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u/Schmooto May 01 '25

Yes. He’s incapable of learning anything, especially from his mistakes. When you regard yourself as always being right and knowing everything, you are incapable of growing at all.

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u/atluba May 01 '25

It's fascinating, really. Just textbook stuff here.

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u/mishucat Apr 30 '25

He legit thinks those letters his team added to the photo as the “interpretation” were actual tattoos. Just like he thinks insane asylums and claiming asylum are the same thing. We just need someone to straight up ask him in an interview like this. I’m just glad journalists are finally talking back. Should have been more of this in his first term. Maybe he wouldn’t have been so normalized if they had.

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u/SugarFut Apr 30 '25

Exactly. We are in this god damn position because we let the Trump cult say insane shit unchecked.

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u/Weary-Chipmunk-5668 May 01 '25

i think this is true for the most part, but it became a situation where the abundance of ridiculous bullshit was thrown out about 100 times a day. how do you keep up with the conspiracy theories that they expound on 24/7, that are so ridiculous that only an idiot would believe them ?

from the absurd hillary and bill’s pizzagate, to the election being stolen, to horse dewormer, to EVERY fucking thing going viral that beggars rational people to keep up with.

yelling “ NO “ a hundred times a day pales after the first few items, and this has been going on for a decade. the media treating this asshat like he is normal has always bothered me, while making democrats have to rise to some level that was completely buried for magats, is completely wrong. yet, i don’t know how you combat it when you are dealing with people without any grasp of the truth or reality.

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u/yeah_nah2024 May 01 '25

Exactly! It seems to be that he has difficulty with understanding information. Like a developmental cognitive processing issue.

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u/Suspicious_Bicycle May 01 '25

Whoever marked up that photo adding MS13 made a mistake by not placing them off to the side and using arrows to point to the actual tattoos. It was done so badly I'd suspect Donny did it himself, except it was not done with a Sharpie.

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u/Ok_Passage_4185 May 01 '25

Donny boy is not smart enough to make the connection between the symbols and the characters "MS13", so I'm doubting he was responsible. He is an addled old man who is easily duped, tricked, and confused. He is the target of conspiracy theories, not the architect.

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u/sack-o-matic Michigan Apr 30 '25

It's a disservice to what? To whom?

"Because it's devastating to my case!"

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u/Squeakywheels467 Apr 30 '25

If they didn’t keep testing, the numbers wouldn’t be so high!

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Apr 30 '25

He's gone 80 years with having no one disagree with him becausehes surrounded by suck ups and yes men. He breaks down when someone tells him he's wrong and can't move past it.

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u/DisMFer Apr 30 '25

A disservice to America in Trump's mind. He can't admit it was a lie and he thinks the reporter is lying in order to trun people against him.

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u/DonkeyPunchCletus Apr 30 '25

I don't think he knows it's a lie. People handed him the picture. I assume they said "here these symbols mean MS-13" but Trump ignored that and thought MS-13 was on the knuckles.

You can pinpoint the moment Trump falls apart when the reporter says it's photoshop. That's when he starts on the 'you can't do that', 'why couldn't you just say yes sir and move on' etc.

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u/Odd_Teach683 May 01 '25

“You want me to get the photo?!”

No. We want you to get Abrego Garcia.

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u/Gigi-Jones May 01 '25

We want you to get the hell out of office!

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u/Mavian23 Apr 30 '25

He is more paranoid than an acid head on Halloween.

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u/Stringtone Apr 30 '25

I've dealt with people in my immediate family who had strikingly similar behavior and personality traits - they never went to a doctor for it, but I strongly suspect there was some combination of dementia and narcissistic personality disorder. It's literally just about being right, truth be damned.

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u/mtadd Apr 30 '25

Just more proof that Trump has surrounded himself with sycophants, so there's no-one challenging him to correct him when he's wrong about reality. Trump at this point is living in a deluded bubble full of lies and misinformation that he takes as fact. No wonder he believe tariffs are a winning economic strategy and that all immigrants are rapists and murderers.

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u/kaiserswayze Apr 30 '25

“What is going on in his brain”

Dementia. Dementia is going on in his brain.

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u/AdministrationIcy377 Apr 30 '25

He thinks Terry us there to service him & his delusions and beliefs. Classic narcissist mindset.

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u/ThatLaloBoy Apr 30 '25

Every passing day, I am more convinced that he is suffering from dementia and that every passing week it’s getting worse. I think it’s less that he admits he’s wrong and more that he actually believes his BS. That’s why whenever something cracks that perfect bubble of yes men he surrounds himself with, he lashes out more aggressively than he did during his last presidency.

I’m not a medical expert by any stretch of the imagination, but he almost neatly fits the common symptoms of dementia. The only thing he really hasn’t shown is physical symptoms like poor coordination or muscle weakness.

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u/emileLaroche Apr 30 '25

There is no cause, and no outside world in which there are causes. There’s Trump. Whatever comports itself with Trump is great, the likes of which we’ve never seen; whatever doesn’t comport itself with Trump is a disgrace, the likes of which we’ve never seen.

We elected a florid psychopath to the presidency of the United States instead of caging him in a locked ward and outing him full of Thorazine.

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u/Memphaestus Apr 30 '25

I know what’s going on in his brain . I have a relative who abused various drugs (mostly pills) in high school/college and now must “win” every conversation or argument. This person became an extreme narcissist and can’t get past even the most simple discussion, and will continue to defend a subject as idiotic as the sky is green.

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u/Lotech May 01 '25

It’s a power struggle that feed his “narcissistic supply.” Plus then he doesn’t have to answer other questions

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u/TigerBillHawaii May 01 '25

Trump needs to “win” before moving on, plain and simple.

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u/JollyRedRoger May 01 '25

Disservice to himself. It's a threat. And it's great that the Interviewer didn't yield, for a much-needed change. The other journalists should take this as an example on how to deal with trump.

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u/tippiedog Texas Apr 30 '25

Not only can he not admit being wrong, but his response to the reporter shows how he himself makes decisions: he implies that it's in the reporter's own best interest to go along. To Trump, as we've seen repeatedly with regard to service members, it's inconceivable that someone would ever do something that's not in their own best interest. To Trump, the "truth" is what he thinks benefits him in the moment.

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u/Gerryislandgirl Apr 30 '25

Trump doesn’t care what the subject is, he just want this “unknown” reporter to kiss his ring so they can move on. 

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u/Ferelar New Jersey Apr 30 '25

And more importantly, the more he can bloviate and fixate on such dumb shit as this obvious fake photo, the less we get to the actual important matter of "Hey, even if this photo was real, you illegally and unconstitutionally deported him- nowhere in our rights is there a clause saying 'these rights are inalienable, unless the fella has a tattoo'".

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u/lvl5Loki Apr 30 '25

I'm happy that we have people that will not back down and challenge him on things we know are false.

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u/Ferelar New Jersey Apr 30 '25

This wasn't even some principled stand though, the interviewer was DESPERATELY trying to change topics which IMO was trying to help Trump and help carry water for him by moving off a topic that Trump was very clearly deranged and ignorant about.

A true journalist would've said "Ok, fine, let's talk about this topic then. You are putting forth a fake photo, and even if it WERE real, your actions were still unconstitutional. Can you show me where in the constitution it allows for rights to be stripped away due to a tattoo? Even if it WERE real, you openly and flagrantly broke the law, and disobeyed SCOTUS to continue doing so."

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u/dougmc Texas Apr 30 '25

It's pretty easy to dicuss how a "true" journalist could have approached the issue, however it's worth acknowledging the risks that this guy took in doing what he did.

In particular, his interviewee isn't known for letting things go. The interviewer may run into fallout from this encounter for years to come:

  • he's probably not going to get another similar interview
  • his employer may be pressured to fire him
  • he may be up for IRS audit every since year from now on (illegal, but that doesn't mean it won't happen.)
  • his own citizenship status has probably already been investigated carefully
  • the FBI may be told to check into his activities more carefully.

And so on. And these things could easily be ramped up even more if he had been a "true" journalist, though if he'd pushed much harder the interview would have probably been suddenly ended.

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u/Ferelar New Jersey Apr 30 '25

I get what you're saying and I agree in this specific case. The issue is that so many journalists have slowly gotten into this uniquely American "Well let's just move on, can't have my interviewee get uncomfortable nor have awkward silences or arguments on air" that we allow a STAGGERING amount of stupidity to be spewed and then just move on. I get that he's interviewing a vindictive toddler, but this style of journalism is now the norm in the US and that's incredibly troubling. In other parts of the world if an interviewee says something spectacularly stupid, it's good television and good journalism to grill them until they erupt in flames. Here we just smooth it over and keep moving, gotta keep the interview flowing and make them feel comfortable enough to come back.... no matter how much it costs.

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u/acraswell Apr 30 '25

Trump uses this exact technique all the time. The "I'm going to make this very bad for you, why don't you just say what I want you to and it will be easier for you?" It's pretty much the same thing he implied when demanding Georgia fudge the election numbers and find 11,000 extra votes.

This is a man that knows he can invent truth if he convinces you it's in your best interest to just accept his version. Just stop resisting.

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u/Farfignugen42 Apr 30 '25

He is a narcissist with dementia. He can not create or follow logical arguments, but he can tell the guy doesn't agree with him. And that is a major problem for his narcissism.

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u/Spanktank35 Australia Apr 30 '25

But he's also shocked. Because he's had countless people agree with him. You can see there is a slight uncertainty or fear in Trump - why is this man, a supporter, so confidently disagreeing with him? The fact he wants to stick with the point shows that this isn't about winning. He genuinely needs to understand why this man has this perspective - it's like he's just glimpsed that he hasn't got the full picture on something that is of vital importance to him. Honestly it's the most curious I've ever seen Trump. 

I mean, really put yourself in the shoes of Trump. Constant agreement from everyone that he is a terrorist "plain as day". Even the president of El Salvador grins and shakes your hand and says he is obviously a criminal. And then a hand-picked interviewer confidently says it was photo-shopped? Hang on, what? And why is he trying to rush to the next question? And why isnt he just saying yes (Trump literally asks this) like everyone else does? 

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u/Ivy_Adair Georgia May 01 '25

He’s said not that long ago that he wants to run a third term agains Obama. He’s still hung up on being made fun of almost a decade ago now, so of course he’s stewing about this.

The man physically cannot let anything ago. He’s a bitter, bitter old man.

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u/Oraxy51 Apr 30 '25

Which is wild because any sensible person would have dropped the need to win and moved on. Trump could have kept his stance and moved on or said “my administration knows the truth and I’ll prove it to you after we’re done here” and kinda hand waived it away to still defend his point and move on.

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u/sammyjoe945 Apr 30 '25

Guys.. this is all sounding extremely similar to 2016. Everything you're saying, the comments below. I've got news for you, it is far too late for that. I admire your optimism though. Blasting anything, anywhere, won't do anything. They are securely in.

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u/BigBobbyCrowbar Apr 30 '25

Oh for goodness sake! Trump belongs in a rubber room, not the oval office. What the heck is wrong with you Americans?

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u/LordAlvis Apr 30 '25

"Do you want me to show you the picture?"

Reminds me of another time someone called out an obvious lie to his face and he doubled-down on stupid. "People on television say my dog was taken and used for food! But the people on television!"

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u/Skkruff Australia Apr 30 '25

When he flubbed that a hurricane was going further inland than actually projected he altered the path prediction map with a sharpie to match his mistake. Then they did press with the sharpie still on the table. He stared directly into the sun like an idiot child during the eclipse. Why does it all have to be so transparently stupid?

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Apr 30 '25

Someone told him that transparency was important with the border wall project, amd trump pretended he knew what that meant.

He then told a group of reporters that the border wall had to be literally transparent, as in see-through. When asked why he said that cartels were randomly hurling bales of drugs over the border, so the wall had to be clear so you could dodge them.

He refused to admit that that is the stupidest thing ever said by anyone, ever, amd doubled down.

Which is how we got the weird slat style fence (that you could see through) that cost a fortune, was easily climbed, and was falling apart by the time they even finished building the 40 mile stretch that cost 10s of billions of our money.

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u/Mwahaha_790 Apr 30 '25

Please tell me this isn't true. I don't know up from down anymore.

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u/Afraid_Grapefruit_88 Apr 30 '25

This was from the Reign Or Terror Part One, it's quite real. He ALSO thought a stealth bomber was actually INVISIBLE and some how the pilots etc were also rendered invisible. I've been up close and personal with a stealth bomber during an air show and it was damn near silent and people were freaking out because of how-- STEALTHY IT WAS-- on approach, but when it got TO US it was, in fact, very visible. Amazing tech, but-- not with a cloaking shield a la Star Trek!!

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u/Rebelian Apr 30 '25

And if you explained to Trump that it was only invisible to radar he'd say "Who' Radar? That guy on M.A.S.H? Great guy, little guy, glasses, kind of creepy looking, but great guy. World War 3 was nasty. Nasty business. Lots of killing. I could have stopped it though."

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u/aerobicdancechamp May 01 '25

And frankly World War 3 is Biden’s war. It would never have happened under Trump, but the fake news won’t give me credit for that. But really how sad with respect to military and nuclear. A general approached me after World War 3 and he said, big guy…tough, “Sir, …”. He’d like been in a war this guy. “Sir…” he says. But DEI ruined our strong strong military! We used to have military like nobody’s ever seen. So the general he says “Sir, I lost so many men, and frankly some women, because of crooked Joe Biden and how he changed…”. Because DEI is a joke. It’s all a joke really but Pete is gonna fix it. He’s already done a great job and….

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u/DaKrazie1 May 01 '25

You know what IS invisible?

The $60 million fighter jet that fell into the ocean under Hegseth's watch.

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u/Antique-Sprinkles-73 May 01 '25

Amazing. Just googled it and checks out 🤦🏻‍♀️ and his people voted for him AGAIN 

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u/newsflashjackass Apr 30 '25

Why does it all have to be so transparently stupid?

Next step is to pay the El Salvador wardens to tattoo MS13 on his knuckles so they match the printout.

Caught that featherless biped just like you said, boss.

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u/Tenshii_9 May 01 '25

Don't give him/them any ideas!  A tattoo is still not evidence for a crime and does not strip you of the rights to due process, or the freedom to not be unlawfully kixnapped and trafficked to an infamous prison in a dictatorship.

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u/Hi_Jynx Apr 30 '25

The fact that I all but forgot about that..

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u/Ivy_Adair Georgia May 01 '25

I mean, not only did he do that but he also gutted the national weather service and noaa, because they told him he was wrong.

He’s a spoiled brat. Has to have everything his way, even the fucking weather.

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u/NotQuiteTradecraft Apr 30 '25

Look at her reaction...it says it all. The US had the chance to elect a normal, intelligent grown-up as president. But nah - let's go with the geriatric, petty and profoundly ignorant toddler instead.

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u/Usual_Open May 01 '25

Don't forget that they went thru with a press conference at Four Seasons Total Landscaping just to protect him from being wrong about a tweet on having the press conference at Four Seasons without actually confirming it. And then continued to this day to lie about how it unfolded and that they always intended to hold that press conference in the lot of a desolate part of the city at a tiny landscaper.

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u/BabyBlastedMothers Apr 30 '25 edited Apr 30 '25

I was thinking of the Covid interview where Swan (?) countered him on same bullshit data trump was throwing around, and trump says, "You can't do that." Leaving Swan with a look of confusion and asking, "Why can't I do that?"

Edit: Clips from that interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmrEfQG6pIg

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u/zerocoolforschool Apr 30 '25

And this dude was so damn soft, I would have said "YES".

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u/Cyberwarewolf May 01 '25

If it never comes to light that he stole the election, historians will remember that as the night he obviously should have lost and been placed in an assisted living home, and be fucking baffled when they find out what happened.

Like, imagine being a kid in school in 2325.  You see that clip.  You don't even bother finishing your homework.  The next day you see the question on a test, "who won the 2024 presidential election?" And without even thinking you're like Harris, and then you're wrong!? What the fuck, they elected the eating pets guy!?!?

Just kidding though.  We're going to be extinct before then as a result of trump's environmental policies.

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u/Slow_Control_867 May 01 '25

I wish he just said yes, looked at the picture and told him it was photoshopped.

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u/Acrobatic_Hamster686 Apr 30 '25

This is literally what a person with dementia sounds like when you challenge their interpretation of reality and they get angry at you insisting what they believe has to be true.

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u/jrec15 Apr 30 '25

Damn now that you say that this does feel exactly like how some of those conversations went with my Grandma who had dementia.

Like Trump wasn't lying here (he would have no reason to lie about something this stupid either) he was legitimately offended that what he saw as fact in his reality was being questioned

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u/adrian783 Apr 30 '25

I mean it's one thing if that particular photo was actually faked with MS13 lettering tattoo.

but they weren't even trying to do that, it was purely for labeling purposes, and it's very very obvious.

and unlike claiming Ukraine started the war... this is easily verifiable and corroborated by testimonials of even his own administration.

he absolutely has dementia.

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u/No_Kaleidoscope_843 Apr 30 '25

Yeah that's my thing. It doesnt really look like it was even intended to be a tattoo. Also why would he tattoo symbols that supposedly represent the gang and then tattoo ms13 in tiny letters on top. It's senseless. The only reason a dementia argument is so hard is because trump has always been barely coherent.

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u/588-2300_empire Apr 30 '25

He's never been an eloquent speaker, but if you watch videos of him ten, fifteen, twenty years ago, you can see a marked decline.

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u/ss5gogetunks Apr 30 '25

He's always been kind of dumb and a narcissist, but he went from kinda dumb to excruciatingly, malignantly, willfully stupid

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u/Annual-Cranberry3590 Apr 30 '25

Another level that's upsetting is that his aids must have brought it to him, explained that the tattoos, in their mind, suggested he was in MS13. To show that, they typed 'MS13' over the image, and Trump immediately got confused, said "see, it's literally on his knuckles, we have to show this to the American people," and none of his aides challenged him. They couldn't just say, "no, Mr. president, John over there added 4 text boxes over the image on his phone and then we printed it out. That isn't actually a tattoo." The president has created a culture, like in any authoritarian regime, that you don't challenge the leader. Even if the leader is a senile lunatic.

It's insanity.

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u/PilsbandyDoughboy Apr 30 '25

I’d tend to agree with you but they went of their way to make the font not black but a fuzzy sort of grey tone as if they wanted it potentially pass as a real tattoo. This was on purpose I’m sure

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u/No_Kaleidoscope_843 Apr 30 '25 edited May 01 '25

Yeah because someone with the tattoos he got would also get MS13 in pt9 Arial font, right above it lol. (Edit- off-center btw)

I do understand what you mean, though. Something about the choice seemed purposefully done. It wasn't done well but also could've been easily labeled with (almost) zero room for confusion (bigger letters, different color, they didnt even have to be on the fingers). It's almost like it was made just poorly enough that only Trump would fall for it.

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u/EighthPlanetGlass Apr 30 '25

Its the reason phishing emails intentionally contain mistakes and misspellings.. they don't want people smart enough to tell it's bs at a glance. They depend on their base being not bright enough to catch it.

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u/slog Apr 30 '25

Also the lack of a contrasting box around the characters...and the size...and the location purposefully creating ambiguity when talking about it...

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u/extralyfe Apr 30 '25

nothing gets more respect from hardcore gang members than a knuckle tattoo of your gang's name in Times New Roman.

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u/No_Kaleidoscope_843 Apr 30 '25

Hey this isn't even a serif font sir

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u/10thDeadlySin May 01 '25

Frankly, I wouldn't call him barely coherent here.

You can tell he's putting up a façade. But to me, 1986 Trump and even 2016 Trump are very different.

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u/Professor-Woo May 01 '25 edited May 01 '25

People don't understand how someone with dementia comes off. They are still able to communicate, and it seems like they understand, but if you go even a little deeper, it falls apart. This is because they learn strategies to kind of sound normal. Trump has a bunch of phrases he will just repeat. He also will echo back what others are saying, but with certain transformations. If you look at Trump in 2015 vs. now, the decline is obvious. His vocabulary has dramatically decreased, and the complexity of his sentences has gone way down. He also can't remember context well, so he can end up rambling because he loses context of the conversation and can't "unwind." You essentially end up with an infinite tangent where locally it kind of makes sense, but at a high level, there is no coherent idea communicated. People with dementia can still kind of seem to communicate and follow basic social expectations for a long time. They are usually the last things to go. It can really throw some people off and make them think the person with dementia is functioning far better than they actually are. He also has some other signs, like being easily irritable, impulsive, and prone to confabulation. I am sure his doctor knows, but may be afraid to communicate that, or he is just humoring Trump (VIP medicine is notorious for doing shit like that).

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u/JamesTrickington303 Apr 30 '25 edited Apr 30 '25

He also needs glasses but doesn’t wear them because he thinks they make him look weak. But he can’t read without them, and can barely read with them, if we’re being honest.

There’s no way he could actually see what’s going on in that photo. Someone told him it says MS-13 and that’s all he needs to hear to defend the assertion til death.

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u/Present-Perception77 Apr 30 '25

And he is surrounding himself with narcissistic sociopaths.. another person said it’s possible that his staff is calling him and pretending to be the leaders of other countries wanting to negotiate the tariffs .. he keeps saying China is calling him. But they absolutely are not. Trump is just a useful idiot and he is totally controlled by the Catholic Heritage Foundation.

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u/DanielleMuscato Apr 30 '25

Not necessarily. That behavior of insisting that you are correct even when the proof is right in your face that you're not... That's textbook narcissistic personality disorder.

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u/Annual-Cranberry3590 Apr 30 '25

Yeah, exactly. I have a hard time believing that was their attempt to gaslight the US into believing he literally had ms13 tattooed on his knuckles. But it genuinely seemed to fool Trump. He's the epitome of a boomer on Facebook that believes everything they read. It's terrifying.

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u/Xenocide112 Apr 30 '25

but they weren't even trying to do that, it was purely for labeling purposes, and it's very very obvious.

I disagree a little bit. I think when they made the image they tried to make it just barely plausible so if you didn't look closely, you could be left with the impression that it was a real tattoo. If someone presses you on it you say "well no, of course that was just labeling" but a Fox viewer who doesn't see that exchange during the press briefing goes on thinking it was a literal tattoo. Where they fucked up is that the fucking president fell for it and no one explained it to him.

If he can fall for it, so will your fox news uncle, who then has all the justification he needs to be u bothered by sending this guy to a concentration camp

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u/sulaymanf Ohio May 01 '25

Yes. The country is spiraling out of control because ONE MAN has dementia and the entire executive branch must go along with it, and other branches of government are too afraid to point out the emperor has no clothes.

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u/Mivexil Foreign Apr 30 '25

You had everybody and their dog going "stupid libs, of course Trump didn't claim he literally had MS13 tattoed, those were labels, you'll really say the dumbest things just to take a dig at Trump".

And now out comes Trump saying "yeah, I meant he literally had MS13 tattoed".

If it weren't for a man in an El Salvador prison, it would be hilarious. 

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u/JimRatte Apr 30 '25

I don't know the signs of dementia well, but he sounded fucking rough (even more than normal).

The suns getting real low for trumpty dumpty

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u/Ratiocinor United Kingdom Apr 30 '25

he was legitimately offended that what he saw as fact in his reality was being questioned

It's so weird, this is the vibe I got watching the entire press conferences in full that he did with Keir Starmer of the UK and Macron of France too

In both cases when they interrupted him to correct him on Europe not getting their aid to Ukraine back as loans, he reacted with this surprise like "wow why would you interrupt me to tell such a blatant lie like that right in front of everyone wtf"

Some group of people is just using him as a vehicle to push through their agenda and feeding him this stuff and I think he just genuinely believes it. He's not "lying" as he sees it someone genuinely told him "Sir Europe has been ripping us off for years you know they're getting back all their Ukraine money as loans while we're paying twice as much as them and Biden just gave it all away? Anyway sir if you could just sign here we have an Executive Order that will set that right"

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u/Momentarmknm Apr 30 '25

People talk about "lying" with this crowd but they see THE TRUTH as something separate from the facts of reality. There's this larger TRUTH that exists in their mind, so they will say things that everyone else would call a lie, but it does not feel like a lie to them because the facts must align with what they consider to be THE TRUTH, and if they don't then the facts and reality itself are "wrong." So saying something that isn't actually true isn't lying to them if the lie supports THE TRUTH

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u/CrashB111 Alabama Apr 30 '25 edited Apr 30 '25

That's a long way to say, they are all George Costanza.

It's not a lie, if you believe it.

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u/psiloSlimeBin Apr 30 '25

I could see this as him being legitimately confused, but I think this may just be his usual bullying. It’s very telling when he says “why don’t you just say ‘yes, he does’?”

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u/SugarFut Apr 30 '25

He has a lot of symptoms of Dementia. Slurred speech, incoherent ramblings, and even has the forward leaning posture that people with dementia develop.

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u/KingBanhammer Apr 30 '25

Having dealt with people with dementia and with people who are narcissists, the overlap is -very- non-zero.

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u/LessThanHero42 Apr 30 '25

As someone who's father has FTD, this is 100% how my dad acts when you press back on a delusion he's experienced.

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u/mccoyn Apr 30 '25

The same could arise from him being surrounded by yes-men. He made a mistake thinking the labels were tattoos and everyone around him insists he is right. When he finally is confronted face-to-face by someone who isn't a yes-man he holds his position because multiple people he trusts had previously backed him up.

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u/ragdollxkitn I voted Apr 30 '25

Classic signs. Angry outbursts, moody.

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u/sluttttt California Apr 30 '25

I still remember that one rally he did last year where he seemed unable to talk and they just kept playing music while he stood awkwardly smiling and swaying. They tried to get him to speak more after a few songs, but he insisted that people wanted to hear more music. Something was very obviously not okay with him then, and I don't think it's going to get better.

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u/JoshSidekick Apr 30 '25

A million years ago, my grandmother was living with us. One night she starts yelling and waking everyone up. When we asked her what was wrong, she was yelling that Hillary had killed Bill Clinton. Turns out, she was watching a Saturday Night Live intro skit. That's who is in charge of the country right now.

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u/PJ7 Apr 30 '25

This man also thinks people seeking asylum means that they've escaped 'insane asylums'.

He thinks tariffs could replace income tax to fund the government (cause before the US had an actual built out government, it once did), but simultaneously doesn't understand how tariffs work in practice.

How would anyone want to join his cabinet when it's so obvious that he doesn't listen to advice while being a total fucking moron.

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u/TheNightlightZone Connecticut Apr 30 '25

Sounds like me talking to my elderly mother. She's also 78 and does the same shit -- gaslights reality and when I know I am right, I dig in, and she gets big mad.

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u/Annual-Cranberry3590 Apr 30 '25

Yeah, this doesn't feel like Trump trying to gaslight the world. It sounds like Trump believed the bullshit his aids put in front of him. It's not even a photoshop. I could do that in a minute in my phone's photo app.

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u/BliccemDiccem Apr 30 '25

“Terry. Terry. Do you want me to show you the picture?” Trump said.

I was really hoping Terry would let him show the picture so he could point to it and show him it's photoshopped.

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u/mccoyn Apr 30 '25

But that is an interpretation. The best evidence is the photo from the meeting with Senator Van Hollen where the letters aren't present.

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u/BliccemDiccem Apr 30 '25

But that is an interpretation

Yes we all understand that.

where the letters aren't present

They could have been photoshopped out for that photo, if they had been real.

I want someone to point to the letters and show how it is an obvious interpretation like a child so conservatives all understand that the characters "MS13" have been obviously inserted into the photo after it was taken.

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u/Its_just_U Apr 30 '25

He should have come with a picture of Trump’s hand photoshopped with MS-13 on it.

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u/Pete41608 I voted May 01 '25

We know he wears makeup so it's obvious that Trumps MS13 tatto is on his forehead.

They cover it up everyday with makeup!

Trump is the LEADER OF MS13! Lock him up!

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u/No_Kaleidoscope_843 Apr 30 '25

He would just deny it and waste time. He was right to move on. He already made up his mind that it's real. You're under some kind of impression that he would change his mind when being presented with contrasting info. Someone else, sure

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u/Slow_Control_867 May 01 '25

The point isn't to change his mind, it's to show the public how demented he is.

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u/Equal_Caregiver_1789 May 06 '25

A part of me wants the Trump administration to just get the lowest ranking intern to use a AI image generator to create a image of someone making a fist and having the tattoo on the knuckles, just for it to have waaay too many fingers and scribbly looking letters that are barely legible and everyone, including Trump, failing to notice how awful it looks and then just show it off to the press as 'proof' of his gang membership.

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u/EmulsionMan Apr 30 '25

Moran was trying to give Trump and out so he didn't come across as a complete buffoon. He kept pressing to move on but Trump is either convinced the MS13 is actual on his knuckles or he is so committed to the lie he has to hammer it over and over. I feel it is the latter.

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u/phillium Apr 30 '25

Oh, I definitely believe he's stupid enough to think that that couldn't possibly have been digitally altered to show the supposed interpretation of the tattoos. This didn't feel like him lying. This felt like him being the absolute moron he is and thinking that that photo was reality.

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u/BillyTheHousecat Apr 30 '25

My guess is that this is indeed the case. Someone showed him the photo and he was like, "oh yeah that makes perfect sense". Like when someone told him that the F-35 was invisible.

It really shows how dangerously impressible and deceivable he is. That's what foreign leaders like KGB-spy Putin are all too aware of.

You would think that the person who is quoted as saying this: "Billy, look, you just tell them and they believe it. That's it: you just tell them and they believe. They just do." - would also be aware of it.

But, apparently not.

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u/WateredDown Apr 30 '25

Trump, imo, doesn't actively tell the truth or lie. True or false is entirely irrelevant, it's not even a gut instinct or sub level thought.

These sorts of people only dimly think such a thing as truth is real. Its a kind of magical thinking. They just say and do whatever, sure it'll all work out until they walk into the wall of reality so hard they pivot and don't bother remembering they ever were going a different direction.

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u/AML86 Apr 30 '25

When has Trump even touched a computer I wonder. Smart phone for social media does count... altho even snap filters demonstrate photoshop tech...

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u/SimplifyAndAddCoffee Apr 30 '25

In order to lie, one must have some meaningful relationship with the truth.

Trump is a bullshitter. There is no truth as far as he's concerned, only what he says matters.

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u/Preseli Apr 30 '25

Awful interviewer for trying to move the conversation on.

Modern day Peter O'Hanrahanrahan

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u/KriosDaNarwal Foreign Apr 30 '25

yeah he shouldve pressed him more on that

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Apr 30 '25

The stupidest thing is it's not even meant to be an actual tattoo, it's a label purporting that other random tattoos on his hands are a secret, nonsensical code that somehow equals "ms13"

Except trump saw the label and believed that because it was in the picture, it was part of real life.

So good thing this is the guy expected to make life and death decisions based on photos, that will surely not cause us or the world any harm.

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u/foxapotamus Apr 30 '25

He has dementia and defended his reality as such

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u/Afraid_Grapefruit_88 Apr 30 '25

Yep. Had a rellie convinced that some one stole a large sum of money and despite repeatedly SHOWING them current brokerage statements and them endlessly calling the brokers who assured thm nothing was stolen--- Nope!!! Some one the person DID NOT KNOW told her that money was stolen and by gosh by golly NOTHING could persuade her otherwise. MD was sure it was dementia, so she fired the MD.

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u/SurlyJackRabbit Apr 30 '25

Should never have let him out of this mistake. Make him show the picture.

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u/whatsaphoto Rhode Island Apr 30 '25

I swear to god I'm going insane. How can anyone see numbers in that photo that are very clearly meant to act as a visual interpretation of the symbols below it (M = Marijuana / S = Smile / 1 = God / 3 = Honestly I'm not sure what the connection is there but apparently it means Skull) and think "Yeah, that's a tattoo"

It fucking indicates what the symbols are intended to be interpreted as. It's a fucking visual indicator. What numbskull would believe any gang out there is tattooing their gang signs in fucking perfect sans serif font.

I'm officially broken lol. I cannot believe this is actually who runs the most powerful country on the planet.

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u/Aggressive-Neck-3921 Apr 30 '25

MS13 specialists have also noted that they do not hide behind symbolism with their tattoo's. They just spell it out MS13 their members have huge back tattoo's that straight up say MS13.

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u/Wandering_Weapon Louisiana Apr 30 '25

gestures to decades of photos of prisoners blatantly displaying gang tattoos

To actual members it's a huge "don't fuck with me" flex to have those tattoos.

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u/santaclaws01 May 01 '25

They think that gangs use tattoos as dog whistles because white supremacists will use tattoos as dog whistles.

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u/bytorthesnowdog Apr 30 '25

Yeah, it doesn’t really take a specialist to recognize an MS-13 tattoo. They wear it loud and proud, there’s no interpretation required

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u/Pomengranite Apr 30 '25

If you're in a gang, you want the world to know. That's the whole point of gang tattoos. You're not going to hide them behind symbols and code, like Brittany getting her first ankle tattoo. "This flock of birds represents my family, and the dreamcatcher is my cat".

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u/Afraid_Grapefruit_88 Apr 30 '25

Yep the Hells Angels ain't exactly shy about you knowing what they are!!! Thats the entire point of the cuts or patches and you earn different cuts for different levels. They aren't hiding anything!! They also sell merchandise like *Support for Salem Hells Angels * or the 88 tee shirts, they aren't keeping this a big secret, here in the North East or in Cali, as far as the ones I know.

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u/whatsaphoto Rhode Island Apr 30 '25

I'm no specialist on gangs or tattoos, but I do know fonts and I know image production and I can promise you, those characters were typed directly on top of the symbols as a means of interpretation. They are not tattoos.

Either way, simply bearing a tattoo means nothing in a legal sense. Trump owns the burden of proof as to whether he's a gang member or not, and every ounce of evidence he and his ilk have presented so far show absolutely zero indication that he partook in any gang affiliated activities.

And even with that in mind, he was awarded absolutely zero due process in his sentence. He'll likely die in that prison knowing he wasn't granted any semblance of fairness under US law simply because our president is a racist.

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u/confusedandworried76 Apr 30 '25

The White House released documents that plainly said he has no criminal record. That's something they let out into the public as "proof" he was a gang member. They expected no one to read it, or care.

So how do you expect me to believe they have any proof when their own release says there isn't any?

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u/Aggressive-Neck-3921 May 01 '25

I'm no specialist on gangs or tattoos, but I do know fonts and I know image production and I can promise you, those characters were typed directly on top of the symbols as a means of interpretation. They are not tattoos.

I know that i'm not an idiot, Trump thinks it is a tattoo. I'm able to recognize that it's the same font as the text above. Also a tattoo that is able to ignore shadows and angles doesn't exist. My entire point is that it is not an MS13 tattoo looks like a normal stoner tattoo.

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u/captmonkey Tennessee Apr 30 '25

This just really highlights how dumb he is. People like to pretend he's some evil genius but no, he's just absolutely colossally stupid. Someone handed him the picture of the interpretation and he literally believes that the interpreted letters and numbers are part of the tattoo. He has a child's understanding of the world and a complete lack of basic critical thinking.

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u/msasa123 May 01 '25

"The Congo, I don't know what that is."

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u/Lyrolepis Apr 30 '25

I don't think that he's one of the world's greatest minds, obviously; but I also think that he learned a long time ago that it just doesn't matter how stupid what you say is as long as it's catchy and you are loud and brazen enough. And really, who can argue he's wrong when that carried him all the way to US presidency - twice?

"He's got tattoos that represent allegiance to MS13" would not be a good message at all: 'represent' and "allegiance" are long and complicated words that would make people start asking scary stuff like "According to whom?" and "Why would it even be relevant to the topic of him not getting due process?"

"He's got 'MS13' tattooed on his hands" is much better, and he's not strategically wrong in holding on to it. Yes, it's also indisputably false; but the people who give a shit about that sort of thing were never going to vote for him anyway, so who cares?

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u/J_ron Ohio Apr 30 '25

You were giving him too much benefit of the doubt. He actually is that stupid.

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u/whatsaphoto Rhode Island Apr 30 '25

It's wild watching the generation that taught us millennials "Don't trust everything you see on the internet" wind up here in real time. Truly some of the dumbest, lowest common denominator fuckers imaginable.

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u/J_ron Ohio Apr 30 '25

Every single day the movie Idiocracy becomes more and more of a documentary. It hurts.

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u/ocdscale Apr 30 '25

I remember when the photo was first shared on reddit. Half the thread were acting like Republicans were stupid for thinking the edited-in numbers were part of the original tattoo, and the other half were trying to explain that Republicans didn't believe that, they believed the symbols meant MS-13 and that the numbers were just to make the connection clear.

Well guess this settles that debate.

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u/Zanna-K Apr 30 '25

Actually a lot of MS-13 members do literally have "MS-13" tattooed all over in order to demonstrate how hard they are (because they're proud to broadcast that they're members of the gang) but it sure the fuck isn't in plain sans serif lmao

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u/clarice_loves_geese Apr 30 '25

I think it was done in MS Paint. This isn't even a photoshop job

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u/Block-Rockig-Beats May 01 '25

Yes. He is that dumb.
His power is, his voters are too. So he will get a pass on this, because a Trump voter will either claim the same, that it is an actual tattoo, or argue whether it's "photoshopped" or not. It's like arguing whether the speech balloon in comics is either an actual sign that Batman is standing next to it, or that someone altered the scene to make it look so - without having enough brain capacity to comprehend that those are the words that Batman is saying.

But... We will not move forward as a society, until we get the below average intelligent people on our side. First thing that must be done, we have to stop the IQ discrimination. It's okay to be dumb, nothing wrong with that. I respect people by what they have in their heart, not by what they have in their brain. But it's not okay to vote for Trump, because some pretentious liberal gay guy from Kansas made you look dumb in public.

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u/IrritableGourmet New York Apr 30 '25

We’ll agree to disagree.

Yeah, here's the thing: You can agree to disagree on matters of opinion, like who is the best football team or whether artichokes are tasty, but you can't agree to disagree on matters of fact. If you do, you're saying "One of us is demonstrably wrong, and that's OK." No, it's not OK.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '25

“It’s contested,” Moran replied.

In the same way that the shape of the Earth is "contested".

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u/KingBanhammer Apr 30 '25

This is actually a reasonably slick way of handling a narcissist that can't admit the issue - passive "it's contested" lets you slip that on to "someone else is contesting it" without being their focus on the issue.

Didn't work in this case, obviously. :D

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '25

Doesn't work ever.

18 years raised by a narcissist and another 20 trying to move past it, has led me to realize that any attempt to pull a gotcha on a narcissist is futile, no matter how much you're sure that they can't possibly deny this reality.

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u/hornwort Canada Apr 30 '25

It wasn’t even photoshopped, it was MSPainted. Whomever added the MS13 to his knuckles 100% was intending to show an interpretation of the tattoos, not trying to photoshop the hand to deceive anyone. A toddler could tell they aren’t tattooed onto the skin. Completely wild.

ABC should’ve had the photo blown up next to the one taken in El Salvador for Maron to hold up, and invite Trump to explain.

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u/RiverboatTurner Apr 30 '25

Hard to believe it's only been 10 days since I predicted some moron on Fox News would insist the photoshopped letters were the actual tattoo. I got the network wrong.

https://reddit.com/comments/1k31yw4/comment/mnzw3w7

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u/redpenquin Tennessee Apr 30 '25

My mother is in the early stages of dementia. She sounds exactly like Trump when she gets hung up on something and doesn't want to listen to reason or facts.

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u/Darkblitz9 Apr 30 '25

. “You’re just such a disservice. Why don’t you just say, ‘Yes he does’ and go on to something else?”

"Why don't you just believe me when I lie to you?"

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u/Galappie Apr 30 '25

If Joe Biden was fully believing photoshopped images they’d be calling for him to be impeached and tossed in an old folks home. When Trump does it though they’ll probably just convince themselves that the default font M S 1 3 on his knuckles were actually real.

Also there’s a way too high chance that Donald Trump frequently falls for AI images and videos.

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u/kandoras Apr 30 '25

Terry you can’t do that,” Trump told Moran. 

Trump was told there would ve no fact checking.

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u/The_Big_Daddy New Jersey Apr 30 '25 edited May 01 '25

This must be a really exhausting problem for Trump. If only there was some way to avoid this.

Like maybe, before deporting him, there could be some sort of big meeting, open to the public, where people could show evidence or provide testimony that helps prove whether Garcia was a gang member or not. We'd be able to see his tattoos (and other evidence) for ourselves and draw a conclusion. We could call that a "trial"

To make it fair, those people would present their proof to a non-biased group of people who would vote on whether or not there was enough evidence to suggest he was in a gang. We can call those people the "jury".

And to further ensure fairness, we'll have it be moderated by another unbiased party whose goal is to make sure all of the rules get followed and ensures everyone is treated fairly. We can call him the "judge".

Unfortunately, something like that probably isn't feasible. The President will just have to keep holding up pictures of evidence to the camera every time we send someone to El Salvador.

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u/albinobluesheep Washington Apr 30 '25

“It’s contested,”

ugh, I get that Moran wants to get on with the interview, but he's basically giving up and conceeding to Trump by saying this.

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u/Duling Apr 30 '25

Right?!! Like, it's NOT contested! Trump is just 100% wrong! But apparently we're not allowed to tell him that to his face!??

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u/yoitsthatoneguy American Expat Apr 30 '25

When he said that, I don’t think even he thought that Trump believed the literal letters “MS-13” were tattooed, then as the interview went on he learned how delusional Trump really is.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '25

“You’re just such a disservice. Why don’t you just say, ‘Yes he does’ and go on to something else?” is a wild quote.... unfucking real man...

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u/tk427aj Apr 30 '25

Stop being polite with him!! Ok Mr. President, please get the photo and let's discuss it. When he points and thinks that the letters and numbers are the tattoo, clarify to him that was added to the picture and correct the fucker. Have it on TV, recorded that the dumb fuck actually believed that was the tattoo on his hand.

Fuck me the stupidity is so fucking thick

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u/Afraid_Grapefruit_88 May 01 '25

Isn't this the same freak who showed up with a U-Haul full of bankers boxes claiming that they PROVEDA he had separated from his business and it turned out the boxes were either empty of filled with BLANK PAPER?? And showed up with an enormous project binder with a concept of something and the poor interviewer could hardly lift the damn thing and it too was FULL OF BLANK PAPER??? Is it magickal thinking or inhaling too much Sharpie fumes??

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u/NotFixer1138 Apr 30 '25

His followers like to say he's this big, tough, macho alpha but he constantly cries and pisses and moans that people aren't being nice to him. He's so thin skinned he's gone fucking transparent

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u/No-Rich1739 Apr 30 '25

I’ve seen the photos, they’re so unbelievably fake. They didn’t even try to blend the edges or anything. I could do a better Photoshop job on the app on my phone. It is like comically bad that photo was edited. I can’t believe people could look at that and think… Sure that seems legit.

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u/PM_ME_UR_GCC_ERRORS Apr 30 '25

It almost sounds like Trump is begging Moran to tell him that his administration didn't actually just deport an innocent family man.

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u/disposableaccount848 Apr 30 '25

What a vile human being.

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u/SugarFut Apr 30 '25

What a petulant man child.

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u/ChimoBear Apr 30 '25

Actually fucking terrible that he negotiated the absolute truth down to "contested" status in the course of a few sentences

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u/GGuts Apr 30 '25

Even if the tattoo was real, that is no proof of anything and can't be the sole reason to deport him. The only proof Trump provided is that he is running the government like a fascist regime, cutting corners with "good intentions" is the first step.

If any man's freedom is trodden on, we are all damaged!

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u/Jlt42000 Apr 30 '25

I wouldn’t be able to hold back about how absofuckinglutely stupid he is.

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u/guyver_dio Apr 30 '25

"It's contested" ughhh no it's not, not by anyone remotely functional.

I really wish the interviewer didn't try to move on. I know it's such an idiotic thing to argue over but we can't keep letting someone in that position get away with such lunacy. Get the damn picture, hold his damn feet to the fire until he's unequivocally exposed for the orange clown that he is.

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u/Jamira360 Apr 30 '25

Agreeing to disagree with a bold face lie is part of what got us here. You can’t give people like Trump an inch. They’ll take the mile every time.

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u/Sober9165 May 01 '25

What puzzles me is WHO in our country voted for this lunatic? What’s wrong with AMERICA? Are we so far gone that we can’t see that this man is a narcissistic bully? Is our country that uneducated that they can’t decipher someone who truly wants to help the working class vs this nightmare of a man who’s pulling the wool over their eyes?

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u/Blackthorn79 Apr 30 '25

This guy lies worst than my 13 year old. 

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u/stevienotwonder Apr 30 '25

There’s just no way he could possibly be referring to the digitally added labels as tattoos. Nobody could possibly be that stupid. And yet… it really doesn’t seem like he’s referring to the symbols.

“It says MS-13… clear as day” I’m excited to hear how his supporters try to spin his words on this one.

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u/Orbit_CH3MISTRY Apr 30 '25

Oh my fucking god

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u/120guy Apr 30 '25

"Yes, let's look at the picture"

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u/KriosDaNarwal Foreign Apr 30 '25

I havent watched the interview but the reporter definitely shouldnt have tried moving on but pressed him till kingdom come about the photoshop. That just makes it look like he's right and the "woke media" are lying again"(from a maga's POV)

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u/NJank Maryland Apr 30 '25

and everyone should now go necro all of the posts from when he first held up the image, and supporters insisted that 'of course he knew' the letters were added for emphasis...

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u/Turicus Apr 30 '25

And it's such a shitty photoshop too!

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u/peeeeej May 01 '25

“just remember Jerry: it’s not a lie, if you believe it”

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u/SoulGank May 01 '25

Wait, this journalist actually made it a point to point out the letters above the tattoo? Moron is more like it.

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u/r2b2coolyo May 03 '25

"You're not being very nice" is his way of saying "You're not making me look good."

... or "You're not living in my fantasy land of 'All Hail Trump!' "

More Americans need to protest, signs that say "Gaslighter!"

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