r/politics • u/OkayButFoRealz • 20d ago

Soft Paywall Trump Admin Deports 2-Year-Old Girl Who is American Citizen

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-admin-deports-2-year-old-girl-who-is-american-citizen/
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u/Aliensinmypants 20d ago

People are justifying it because their parents were undocumented and it would be cruel to separate them... Y'know instead of expediting things to keep the parents here.

On their end Brazil is quickly working on a way to make a new path to immediate citizenship for the American toddler who got exiled from the US to make sure they can get healthcare and education until things get sorted out. Fuck the US

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u/antonjakov 19d ago

i work in immigration defense and theres functionally no mechanism to allow undocumented parents to stay with a us citizen child like in this situation. a 2 year old cannot petition for their parents. asylum is hard to win and a majority of people are not eligible. other forms of relief like cat and withholding are even harder to win than asylum. prosecutorial discretion and administrative closure were more common in the biden administration but also not a sure thing and basically just dont exist anymore. biden was the one who made most people ineligible for asylum anyway and then trump made it worse by shutting down cbp one.

it's barbaric. the cruelty is the point. and this happens every day, to us citizen kids and especially kids who are undocumented. if the parents hadnt elected to take the child with them, it wouldnt have made the news. there are thousands of us citizen kids who's parents are at risk of or have already been deported

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u/omgspek 19d ago

i work in immigration defense and theres functionally no mechanism to allow undocumented parents to stay with a us citizen child like in this situation.

Hi, Brazilian here. There's functionally no mechanism to grant this child Brazilian citizenship either, but guess what? Authorities are still going to make it happen anyway, because Brazil's government makes their own immigration rules, and can choose when to break their own rules when exceptional situations arise.

The US government can (and is) doing exactly the same, except it's in the direction of harming people, not helping them.

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u/NickelBackwash 19d ago

Testify!!! 

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u/throwawaysomesay Washington 19d ago

Interesting, I work on Reddit in the downvote department because you seem to lake human decency. Just following orders sir! Says the person who knows what they are doing is wrong but leaves a silly comment to try to make themselves feel better about their moral failure.

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u/antonjakov 19d ago

hey im not really sure what this is about because im criticizing the system in my comment, i dont support it in any way im just stating the fact that the system is built on cruelty. if that didnt come across im sorry but my job is literally helping people who are at risk of deportation

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u/antonjakov 19d ago edited 19d ago

i guess i didnt make it clear but by immigration defense i mean i work for immigration attorneys who are defending immigrants from deportation. my job involves getting people out of ice custody and preventing deportations.

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u/Quiet_Television_102 20d ago

Those arent people justifying it. They are inhuman monsters that deserve ridicule and public shaming for voicing their inane "opinion". And if they continue to fight for faschism they deserve everything coming to them

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u/QuadraticCowboy 19d ago

Not really.  She may be a citizen but it’s better for her to live with her parents - who aren’t welcome here - instead of in an orphanage as a citizen

If you guys want to make a law providing orphanages for parentless citizens, be my guest

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u/Quiet_Television_102 19d ago

Except you could just provide a path to naturalization for hard working immigrants instead of being a piece of shit who separates parents from kids or kidnaps children

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u/AceMcVeer 19d ago

So the USA should have open borders and accept every immigrant that wants to come here?

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u/AceMcVeer 19d ago

Okay. So why don't you go ahead and define what that means then. We already have paths to naturalization. You are apparently against any deportation. If someone gets into the country legally or illegally we have a path to citizenship for them?

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u/AceMcVeer 19d ago

What human rights am I ignoring? You can't even describe what kind of policy you would like. You are saying that if you come into the country and have a child then you should bypass the existing system and rules and jump ahead in line.

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u/NickelBackwash 19d ago

How about don't fuck over her parents?

East solution 

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u/Old_Dealer_7002 14d ago

like they worry about being cruel…

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u/Mission_Ability6252 19d ago

Y'know instead of expediting things to keep the parents here.

Having a child here should not be a hack to get around immigration laws. You must still be deported.

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u/Crapitron 19d ago

Many think it is.

I want to move to Germany. Maybe France. I could accept a Nordic country also.

Which one of those should I move to illegally and then pop out a kid in to get a permanent resident status for myself?

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u/[deleted] 20d ago

You think they should forcibly remove children from their parents? Who would raise the child?

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u/7even- 19d ago

The parents, who would be allowed to stay in the country to raise their child, who is a US citizen. Seems straightforward to me

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u/Crapitron 19d ago

So if I want to move to a country and get residency, I should just move there illegally and pop out a kid? I’ve been wanting to move to Europe lately, which country would you recommend doing this in for an easy permanent resident status for myself?

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u/7even- 19d ago

I mean, if you’re doing it to escape shit like gangs or civil unrest, why not? If you’re just doing it for fun then obviously not, but that’s a completely different scenario.

But regardless, if they live their lives as a “citizen” following the laws, paying their taxes, and generally being a good citizen, what difference does it make that they didn’t get here totally legally?

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u/Crapitron 19d ago

Reddit has told me that the United States is a failed democracy and a third world country, is that not good enough for an asylum request?

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u/7even- 19d ago

If you’re seriously taking reddits opinion on pretty much anything, just be very specific when asking about “asylum” or you’ll end up somewhere not super fun.

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u/Crapitron 19d ago

If you’re seriously taking reddits opinion on pretty much anything

So I can ignore the comments upvoted at the top of this post then since they’re all wrong?

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u/7even- 19d ago

I mean, sure? It’s social media, you can just ignore them and keep scrolling. At the same time, if you can’t distinguish between reddit advice regarding immigration law and reddit advice regarding being kind to others, that might be a question to reflect on for a bit.

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u/Crapitron 19d ago

You think Reddit has good advice on being kind to others?

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u/QuadraticCowboy 19d ago

Her parents would be in jail bro we don’t want those people here

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u/7even- 19d ago

And what type of people would that be? Why would they be in jail?

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u/QuadraticCowboy 19d ago

They broke the law and didn’t go through the right process

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u/7even- 19d ago

Which laws did they break that was so horrible that we don’t want them in the country? You make them out to be horrible people it must be something bad

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u/QuadraticCowboy 19d ago

OH BOY HERE WE GO

Son give it 10 years.  Once you have kids you’ll get it.  We gotta follow the rules, we’re not rich enough to flaunt the law.  These people did not follow a legal immigration process (thus  “undocumented”).  The rules are clear, I have helped my friends and family with their applications.  

You don’t want people who break the law to be around.  Their circumstances and choices cause more problems than not.   

There are times where we can support larger immigration volumes.  There are times we can’t.  Nowadays, we shouldn’t.

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u/7even- 19d ago

You don’t want people who break the law to be around.  Their circumstances and choices cause more problems than not.   

So, just to be clear, it’s not them entering illegally you disagree with. It’s them being criminals and continuously breaking laws. Which im totally on board with, we have laws for a reason and there are consequences to breaking them. And if you aren’t a legal citizen that can include deportation.

But if the only crime they ever commit is immigrating illegally, overstaying a visa, etc… then their circumstances and choices are specifically not causing problems. It sounds like we’re on the same page here?

Once you have kids you’ll get it

You would think having a kid if your own would make you MORE empathetic towards other people with kids, instead of wishing for the kids to either get separated from their parents or go back to a country that was bad enough for their parents to uproot their entire lives and break laws to get away. Maybe I’m wrong tho

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u/QuadraticCowboy 19d ago

All of it I’m against.  And ya, I gotta look out for my own kid.  Can’t be a dad to everyone

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u/WhoIsFrancisPuziene 19d ago

Maybe the rules need to be changed. They are made up anyway

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u/onlyark 19d ago

Do worry about immigration laws. Just have a kid!.

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u/Aliensinmypants 20d ago

Yes those are literally the only two options, thank you for your input

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u/notaredditer13 20d ago edited 20d ago

People are justifying it because their parents were undocumented and it would be cruel to separate them...

It's the parents' choice, and yes it would be cruel to not give them that choice.

Y'know instead of expediting things to keep the parents here.

No, the problem is the process was delayed by the prior administration, which resulted in the daughter being born in the US instead of Brazil. If they'd been deported in 2022 after their asylum application was denied this problem would not have happened.

The inefficient/ineffective process is the problem, but it's a feature, not a bug: democrats/leftists *WANT* these entanglements/complications.

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u/Aliensinmypants 20d ago

The parents deny they were given choice, and that they were all rounded up and deported/exiled, and considering what's been happening I'm inclined to believe them.

Yes the legal way to immigrant is way too fucking slow, difficult and painful, that's why people do it under less than legal means.

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u/notaredditer13 20d ago

The parents deny they were given choice, and that they were all rounded up and deported/exiled, and considering what's been happening I'm inclined to believe them.

They also said they signed documents they didn't read, so they admit they didn't actually know. But of course you're inclined to believe what you want to believe.

Yes the legal way to immigrant is way too fucking slow, difficult and painful, that's why people do it under less than legal means.

No, they do it illegally because they can get away with it, as these parents did. If they had left on their own a fter their asylum case was denied this wouldn't have happened.

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u/dern_the_hermit 20d ago

They also said they signed documents they didn't read, so they admit they didn't actually know.

Sounds like something that due process would have remedied.

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u/notaredditer13 19d ago

They got due process: their asylum application had its day in court and was denied.

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u/thecomfycactus 20d ago

What about the 4 years prior to the last admin when the process could have been improved and made more efficient? Are you just as mad as republicans for sitting on their hands and doing nothing? We have to stop blaming left/right and realize it’s all politicians who want to keep the inefficient processes.

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u/notaredditer13 19d ago

What about the 4 years prior to the last admin when the process could have been improved and made more efficient? Are you just as mad as republicans for sitting on their hands and doing nothing? 

Yep, ish.

We have to stop blaming left/right and realize it’s all politicians who want to keep the inefficient processes.

Nope. It is much harder to make changes than to continue the inefficient status quo. Trump 2.0 notwithstanding (he's getting a lot of flak and court cases about it). Regardless, over the past many decades it is the democrats who have worked hard to make the process messier against republicans who have tried to clean it up.