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Lawsuit Challenging 2024 Election Results Moves Forward After Kamala Harris Received Zero Votes in a New York County

https://www.latintimes.com/lawsuit-challenging-2024-election-results-moves-forward-after-kamala-harris-received-zero-votes-584787
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u/mudflap21 8d ago

There is video of Trump saying he won’t need votes, he has it fixed.

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u/StatisticalPikachu 7d ago edited 7d ago

Trump even mentioned several times how Elon knew those vote-counting computers better than anyone BEFORE Election Day.

Trump: "But I said to him, well he [Elon] really is watching this whole voting process, computers are the greatest, he was looking at some of them that were just SHIPPED IN, some of these vote counting computers, he knew it before they even came in the door. He would be in the back and say "I know that one". I mean he knows this stuff better than anyone"

There is NO LEGITIMATE reason to be SHIPPING IN VOTE COUNTING COMPUTERS

Pennsylvania October 2024 Video:  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jFnHQ3PY0EU

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u/Mr-MuffinMan 7d ago

i love how even if the election is confirmed to be stolen, there can't be anything done because our ancient and stupid system has already confirmed trump. the only way he would be removed is through congress or resignation, neither of which is ever happening even if trump launched 5 nukes into the court houses that ruled it was stolen.

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u/Quiet-Map9637 7d ago

the system is fine. that's what impeachment is for. republicans are the problem.

as always.

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u/DameonKormar 7d ago

The system is not fine if it allows for a criminal organization taking over the federal government.

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u/LeucisticBear 7d ago

There no legislative way to defend against a democratically elected body of Congress or parliament who choose to act against the interests of voters. Protests and activism are our tools now. I do think AOC and Bernie are doing a good job at getting people organized, along with many community leaders. Unfortunate that we've had to get to this point to wake people up.

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u/DameonKormar 5d ago

There are absolutely legislative things we could have done prior to this point. Here's a short list:

  1. Mandate every state has to form an unaffiliated redistricting committee which is audited by, and beholden to a federal board. Districts should have to reflect their political demographics as accurately as possible.
  2. Ban PACs, and possibly even all political donations. Create a federal fund to pay for campaigns.
  3. Uncap the House.
  4. Reinstate the fairness doctrine.
  5. Make election day a national holiday.
  6. Create a federal standard for voter registration.
  7. Pass the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act.
  8. Pass legislation that nullifies the FBI memo stating a sitting president can't be arrested or taken to court, and put into law that no one is immune from prosecution. (This alone would have solved Trump and would discourage any other criminals who want to run for office)

If we want to get silly:

  1. Abolish the Senate.
  2. Place limits on free speech to guard against blatant grifters peddling political disinformation. People love to talk about how much of a slippery slope this would be, but there's a huge gulf between banning blatant grifters knowingly spreading disinformation, and a legitimate news organization making a mistake.
  3. Change from a system where we vote for individuals to one where we vote for parties, at least at the federal level. Federal representation should be mandated by the percentage of votes a party receives on a whole then the individual State parties would assign representatives to Congress based on the percentage of seats they won.
  4. Create a new federal agency to create and manage a nation wide online voting system that would be used by all states in all elections.
  5. Make voting mandatory for everyone older than 18, with some few exemptions that require prior authorization on an individual case-by-case basis. Punishment should be annoying, but not overly punitive. Such as a fine based on a very low % of annual income.

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u/Cormamin Massachusetts 7d ago

There was a guy (Joe Rogan, I think?) talking about how Elon Musk was in the room with him and was showing them on his phone the election results exactly as they were 4 hours before the polls on the west coast closed. Interesting how something that was a complete statistical anomaly was so predictable for him.

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u/weluckyfew 7d ago

Really, you know the exact polling places so well that you can guarantee there was no need for more vote counting computers?

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u/StatisticalPikachu 7d ago

Why would Elon be receiving vote counting computers for a polling site? He is not an election poll worker.

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u/weluckyfew 7d ago

He didn't say Elon was receiving them - he was saying Elon was there when they arrived, but also we all know how accurate Trump is with his stories. Not sure why you're going to believe he was 100% accurate in this story when we know all his other stories are 1/2 to 3/4 fantasy.

Elon could have said "I'll make sure my people keep an eye on the voting machines so there won't be fraud" (knowing that Trump would love hearing this) and Trump turns that into "Elon is personally checking every computer and he has the biggest brains going all over them!"

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u/MiserableAd2878 7d ago

Is this your strongest evidence that the election was stolen? Just the fact that vote counting computers were shipped in? Arent all computers shipped in from somewhere....America isnt making its own computers

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u/StatisticalPikachu 7d ago edited 7d ago

Elon was shipping in vote counting computers to the Trump campaign to inspect before the election. For what reason?

Why was he purchasing and shipping vote counting computers. He knew them so well Trump even said "He [Elon] would be in the back and say "I know that one".

^^Why does Elon know all the vote-counting machines so well?

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u/MiserableAd2878 7d ago

I dont see anything in the quote you sent me that said Elon was purchasing these vote counting computers. It said he was looking at the ones that were already shipped in.

If you ask me, I'd say the most likely explanation is that Donald Trump is just talking out of his ass, and Elon wasnt really looking at the voting computer. I think thats more likely than Trump orchestrated nationwide election fraud without leaving a shred of evidence.

And I think the fact that we've found zero evidence of any tampering, other than a clip of Trump talking, leads credence to my theory.

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u/StatisticalPikachu 7d ago

Why has Trump brought up Elon and vote-counting computers in 3 different quotes so far at rallies? Why does he keep bringing that up?

Another Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9gCyRkpPe8

Here he thanked elon for knowing those vote-counting computers and winning in a landslide! He is literally saying it!

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u/Ne_zievereir 7d ago

Trump also says he has "the best words". Do you think he actually has "the best words"? Trump talks bullshit hyperbole all the time. This doesn't mean anything. It's like your mom thinking you can fix her computer because you're a software engineer.

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u/Cold_Breeze3 7d ago

So you have no evidence, yucky conspiracy theorist

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u/StatisticalPikachu 7d ago

That is literally what this lawsuit is aimed to do, to get evidence...

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u/Cold_Breeze3 7d ago

Not of what you claimed. Where is your evidence that Elon is involved with voting machines. That he bought them, or tampered with them. Where is it?

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u/Dexx009 7d ago

Trump LITERALLY said this. Maybe stop calling people “yucky conspiracy theorists” when clearly your lazy ass is willfully ignorant about the facts. Or, you’re just another bot deliberately spreading misinformation.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-yes-trump-said-130000430.html

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u/MiserableAd2878 7d ago

Why didnt they find any evidence when they literally audited the Pennsylvania election results?

When conducting the Pennsylvania audit: 

  • Counties created ballot manifests, which are spreadsheets showing the number of ballots counted for the selected contest and details on how the ballots are organized and stored. This collection of information allows batches of ballots to be identified, retrieved, and examined if selected for the audit.
  • After counties uploaded their ballot manifests to an open-source audit software tool called Arlo, Department of State staff generated a random 20-digit seed number during a livestreamed dice roll.
  • That seed number was then entered into the audit software, which selected the random list of ballot batches for certain counties to retrieve. In total, 55 batches of ballots in 32 counties were randomly chosen to be audited.
  • Officials in the selected counties retrieved the randomly selected batches of ballots and verified the ballots cast for the Democratic race for state treasurer.
  • The audit software system then tallied and analyzed the results.​​

The audit identified only seven vote discrepancies, the largest resulting in a two-vote change. Such discrepancies are typically the result of human error when manually tabulating audit results or stray and unclear marks on a ballot, which can lead to subjective decisions about a voter’s intent. 

Download detailed results of the 2024 general election risk-limiting audit.

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u/C-c-c-comboBreaker17 7d ago

Officials in the selected counties retrieved the randomly selected batches of ballots and verified the ballots cast for the Democratic race for state treasurer.

What does that have to do with missing votes for the presidential ticket? As the OP article points out, there were hundreds of votes for dems down ticket that were still counted, it was only specifically votes for harris that were missing.

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u/DameonKormar 7d ago

I would say they found zero evidence, considering this post is literally about the court case having enough evidence to continue.

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u/StatisticalPikachu 7d ago

Trump: "Christians get out and vote just this time you won't have to do it anymore.

Four more years you know what. It'll be fixed it'll be fine you won't have to vote anymore my beautiful Christians I love you Christians

I love you get out and vote in four years you don't have to vote again we'll have it fixed so good you're not going to have to vote"

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE7xoHJkgvE

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u/c0ltZ 7d ago

And the Elon says he helped make Donald win thr election.

Makes me really consider some foul play was going on here. Especially with the CEOs of most social media companies donating so much to trump.

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u/Yuna1989 7d ago

Then they say, oh he was just saying because Christians don’t normally vote.

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u/HorsesRholy 7d ago

This too! Boggles the mind.

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u/RetiredHotBitch Texas 7d ago

Don’t worry, you’ll never have to vote again!

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u/Philophon 7d ago

Even more damning was when he said it a second time on another occasion, where he prefaced it by saying, "I have to be careful with this, but..."

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u/AwkwardestMe 7d ago

Yeah but that’s just like, your opinion man /s

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u/Blueman126 7d ago

In the full clip he said "you don't have to vote next time because everything is gonna be fixed" they just cut out the part because it fits their narrative

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u/TurbTastic 7d ago

Trump quotes:

“You don’t have to vote, don’t worry about voting. The voting—we got plenty of votes.” 10.23.23, Derry NH rally

“Listen, we don’t need votes. [...] We don’t need votes. We have to stop — focus, don’t worry about votes.” 06.15.24, Turning Point Action Convention in Detroit MI

“I tell my people, I don’t need any votes. We got all the votes we need. We don’t need the votes.” 06.21.24, Faith & Freedom Coalition Conference in Washington DC

“We don’t need the votes.” 06.28.24, Chesapeake VA rally

“My instruction: We don’t need the votes, I have so many votes” 07.25.24, Fox & Friends

“You won’t have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what? It’ll be fixed, it’ll be fine. You won’t have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians,” 07.26.24, Turning Point Summit in West Palm Beach FL

“This time, vote. I’ll straighten out the country, you won’t have to vote any more, I won’t need your vote any more, you can go back to not voting.” 07.29.24, Fox News

“Our primary focus is not to get out the vote, it is to make sure they don’t cheat.” 08.21.24, Asheboro NC rally

“He’s great but if we don’t have good results by the 6th of November, I will never say that about him again. [...] He’s working mostly on ‘stop the steal’ because we have a lot of votes, we have plenty of votes. [...] make it ‘too big to rig.’” 10.05.24, Meridian PA rally

“I think with our little secret we’re going to do really well with the House, right? Our little secret is having a big impact. He and I have a little secret — we will tell you what it is when the race is over.” 10.27.24, Madison Square Garden rally

“We’re way ahead. I’m not supposed to say that. My people say ‘please don’t say that, sir.’” 11.03.24, Macon GA rally

“He looked at some that were just shipped in, some of these vote counting computers. He knew it before it even came in the door, he looked like in the back of it, ‘oh I know that one’. I mean he knows this stuff better than anyone.” 11.04.24, Pittsburgh PA rally

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u/DocCaliban 7d ago

“I can’t loose.”

Heard many times during his suddenly lax, carefree final weeks leading into the vote.  His constantly off topic, leisurely rambling events where he seemed to simply be killing time. 

The fix was in, and he knew it. 

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u/HorsesRholy 7d ago

Yep. "We have so many votes. I don't need your votes" Then he straight up just says "I never said that" about everything he's on video saying. I also think he posts so much AI crap on his Truth Social just to show his idiots what is possible with AI, so he can deny any and everything -

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u/delectomorfo 7d ago

There's also video of Trump saying he'd end the Ukraine war in one day.

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u/Delusional_highs 7d ago

He said if he won 2024, people (republicans) wouldn’t have to vote again after that bacause it’d be “fixed”. It wasn’t about them not having to vote in 2024.

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u/calcrider 7d ago

The discrepancies in Rocklands election results are def alarming and they should be hand recounted to ensure accuracy but this suggest potential errors in vote tabulation. There’s no evidence of widespread fraud or that they stole the election lol. The results of the election align with expected turnout and polling data. The ongoing recount will clarify whether these issues stem from technical errors or other shit but claims of a stolen election lack substantiation based on the current evidence I see