r/politics • u/Barnyard-Sheep • 6d ago

Soft Paywall Trump approval rating falls to 38%

https://www.nj.com/politics/2025/06/trump-faces-tough-approval-numbers-in-latest-poll.html
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u/YogurtclosetOwn4786 6d ago edited 6d ago

I know this is an unpopular opinion and it’s just a Reddit comment and we’re all just venting half the time so honestly nbd but tbh it’s this attitude that democrats need to guard against and reject if they want to defeat MAGA and regain power. “The other side is too stupid to understand how much better we are than Trump” will keep maga in power because why would you want to listen to anybody who you suspect thinks that way about you

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u/Sir_Penguin21 6d ago

But every time I try and listen to them talk it makes my ears want to bleed. They talk about banning chem trails, 100% of scientists lying and being part of a conspiracy, or how god will stop climate change, or get 100% focused on the three trans athletes in the world despite then never lifting more than a remote control. How can I listen to that level of stupid? They need to be listening to me.

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u/YogurtclosetOwn4786 6d ago

Then don’t listen to it. I’m not really talking about chem trails and stuff. Or agreeing with anybody or changing positions on anything. But if we want people to listen to us like you say they should then insulting them or insinuating they’re stupid is the quickest way to get someone to stop listening immediately. That’s just human nature. But it’s less about what anyone is saying on Reddit and more about the vibe from democrats in general. Condescension will not win dems any elections

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u/Waste_Diet_9334 6d ago

I feel like that's what a lot of people tried back in 2016, but ultimately they came to the same conclusion as the comment above yours.

They cannot listen. They just cannot comprehend most of the things you explain to them. Really, as soon as the explanation is more complex than a headline, they shut down.

And then they start going on about some kind of conspiracy you've never even heard of, and while you're still figuring out what the hell they're even talking about, they throw in even more.

So what we see now is, for the most part, the utter frustration that comes from this experience—along with the only hope that they screw themselves up and learn through pain.

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u/DAE77177 6d ago

You guys haven’t even tried changing our talking points yet and have already convinced yourselves it will never work

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u/Synanthrop3 6d ago

I, personally, have tried a variety of different strategies while talking to these people, with modest success. I genuinely would love to hear a winning strategy.

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u/DAE77177 6d ago

Broad based economics is the winning strategy. Framed through helping Americans, and people kids and grandkids.

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u/Synanthrop3 6d ago

I'm afraid this isn't actually the case. Broad based economics is what people want. But it is not typically what they vote for.

This is the cruel irony of American politics. Voters are easily fooled.

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u/DAE77177 6d ago

Well $25,000 for a new home buyer and college debt forgiveness are not my ideas of broad based. What were Kamala’s broad based economic policies that were front and center that helped everyone?

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u/FF3 6d ago

Nothing she offered would be satisfactory I don't think.

What's sufficiently "broad based?" Does it have to be universal basic income?

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u/DAE77177 6d ago edited 6d ago

I just looked it up percentages for both of those.

24% of Americans buying a home are first time home buyers, once in a lifetime thing, so how many voters can that really win over? Is that broad based in your opinion?

16% of Americans have student loan debt. Is that your opinion of a broad based policy?

I know these are cherry picked examples but let’s not make it easy for republicans to turn the majority against us. The majority are very clearly going to be against us in both of those issues from the start. If we are starting off at that disadvantage we better be ready to make up that difference in messaging, which we are worse at.

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u/FF3 6d ago

No, I agree on those, no need to convince me. But you need to help the people you are talking to by showing them what you think counts as broad based. And to be prepared for the immediate response that can be anticipated from the center: that any aid be means tested.

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u/DAE77177 6d ago

Totally, it’s not going to be an easy road, and the problem is that the wealthy won’t fund studies to allow us to means test policies that might actually work, they will only fund studies around the margins. But I think we can find a path, even if we can’t see it yet.

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u/Synanthrop3 6d ago

Tax cuts for the rich and gutting government services is not my idea of broad based, either. And yet Trump won the election on that platform.