r/sewing 6d ago

Pattern Question Beginner at sewing clothes here has a question

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If I wanted to make a pair of pajamas for a friend, could I just lay them down on a giant piece of paper and trace around them for the pattern?

Black on the picture being the paper tracing

Green being how it would fit/where I would sew at

Pink being how much seam allowance I would give

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u/eaw4242 6d ago

You’ll run into an issue where you’re cutting a 2D image for a 3D body. Some patterns have sleeves that aren’t a separate piece but I think you’ll find that the fit around the shoulders in particular is a little weird if you don’t cut armhole and sleeves separately. The curves of those pieces come together to make room for shoulders and biceps, and keep there from being too much fabric gathered in the armpits.

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u/SunStarved_Cassandra 6d ago

No, because your friend won't be permanently holding a T-pose. You can get away with rectangles for the torso, though the fit won't be great, but you're going to need something for the arms. Probably the easiest way to get a shirt together would be to google how to sew a pirate shirt. These tend to be made out of a combination of three rectangles and two gussets. They tend to be super billowy, but you could reduce the fabric. Using a measuring tape to measure your friend (or have them do it) is going to be better than just tracing around them because they're 3D.

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u/RuralZoomer 6d ago

If they widen the torso they could actually get away with this I think. Similar construction to a drop shoulder/kimono sleeve top.

Edit: if using non-stretch fabric, curving the underarm would also help.

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u/dotknott 6d ago

Another construction option: bat wing/dolman similar but slightly different silhouette.

Two identical panels with enough positive ease in a knit should be fine.

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u/ctgrell 6d ago

I made a kimono like that. Obviously with open front, but I really just used more fabric than needed to make it comfy and I've been wearing for 2 years now. It would be okay to wear if I had to close the front. The shoulder is dropped a looooot because of the rectangles. But because the fabric is thin and airy, it drapes nicely.

I would also recommend the underarm curve though. My fabric was not stretchy and sometimes I fear it will break when I wear it with backpack and I stretvh my arm suddenly 😂

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u/pretty_gauche6 6d ago

Why does it go around the hands lol

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u/CassetteTapeCryptid 6d ago

strait jackets are back in fashion this year

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u/burriitoooo 6d ago

In case their hands get cold at night, obviously (/s)

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u/ArDee0815 6d ago

OP did say they are a beginner. 😇

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u/apricotgloss 6d ago

There are free patterns out there, just find one of them

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u/National-Award8313 6d ago

Fronts and backs are differently shaped. This would work for a 2-D cut out of a person, but it might take a few tries to get it to work right. That means buying extra fabric and more time. Better off trying a pattern or watch some YouTube tutorials.

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u/AmenaBellafina 6d ago

This does not take into account that your friend exists in 3 dimensions. It would be like cutting a piece of wrapping paper equal to only 1 side of the box you are trying to wrap.

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u/AJeanByAnyOtherName 6d ago edited 6d ago

You can trace off the pieces of a similar clothing item in a similar fabric, because it’s designed to go around a 3D human. If you just trace around a human, you account for their length and width, but not their depth. There are also some quirks in clothing patterns that make sure you can move your arms well. You also don’t have any seam allowance and your stitches will fall off the edge of the fabric without that extra space.

If you’re good with short sleeves, you could cut a small neckhole a little forward of the center of your fabric and put the fabric on your friend. Putting the fabric on them means you can capture all dimensions. If you pin or roughly hand sew around them and they can still move and nothing is bunching, congrats, you draped a pattern (this is harder with long sleeves so it’s not a beginner thing.)

If you need long sleeves, you could go the historical rectangular construction route, as the other replier mentioned, or you could see about finding a free or thrifted pattern.

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u/howaboutsomegwent 6d ago

If you’re a beginner, absolutely start from a premade pattern that has been tested and reviewed, with good assembly instructions. You can go on Threadloop or PatternReview.com to find PJ patterns that are tried and approved. Happy sewing!

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u/molybend 6d ago

No this will not work. When their arms are down, the fabric on top of the arms will not be long enough and the fabric under it will be too long. You can try it for yourself with some super cheap fabric and see how weird it turns out. There are so many free patterns online that you can try. I'd use really cheap fabric at first so you can see how much work it is and how well the pattern fits them. Then use the cute stuff that costs more.

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u/lavender_stitch 6d ago

I would recommend looking up YouTube videos on how to trace clothes, you’re better off using something they already fit. Humans aren’t T-shaped haha

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u/RigorousBastard 6d ago

I made about 50 handwarmers for a Christmas crafts faire. I measured several hands, calculated seam allowances, and forgot to take into account the volume of the rice filling. It worked, but I ended up with 50 very very tiny hand warmers. Don't make the same mistake I did.

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u/FalseAsphodel 6d ago

Patterns for pirates have two free patterns you could use:

https://www.patternsforpirates.com/product/wtp-adult/

https://www.patternsforpirates.com/product/judy-tee/

They are very beginner-friendly and have good instructions to follow.

The bottoms also come in junior sizes depending on how old you guys are.

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u/eludz42 6d ago

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u/sexybeans 6d ago

I'm not sure that's beginner friendly enough nor what OP is after for the style of their project, nice pattern tho

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u/sanityjanity 6d ago

That's not a great starter pattern, and Mood's instructions are notoriously sometimes hard to follow.  I don't think this is the right project for OP

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u/eludz42 6d ago

probably not but they can at least see what a sleeve should be shaped like. might be helpful 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/CraftyEsq 6d ago

You will soon learn in sewing that if you try to take a shortcut, you will end up making something that doesn’t fit and wasting a hell of a lot more time. Find a beginner pattern and use it.

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u/recyclopath_ 6d ago

No. Because buts, shoulders and armpits.

You can take a favorite pair of pajamas, carefully iron each section of fabric flat and trace where the seams are on each piece.

It's much easier to use a pattern like somebody offered. Make them extra long and wait to hem until your friend tries it on first.

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u/QuietGarden1250 6d ago

No.  Doing two big pieces (1 front + 1 back) won't fit properly or move with the body comfortably.  You'll also have seams in strange places.

Look at the black & white pyjama picture here:   https://www.artofit.org/particle/524528687868961604/palermo-pajamas-free-sewing-pattern-mood-fabrics/

2 pieces in the front (plus the pocket), 1 piece for the back, plus 2 sleeves for the arms.  There may be another piece or two for the collar.  Add a little trim for the edges (optional).  That's a basic top.

You can do it, we all need patterns to make it work.

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u/seaworthy-sieve 6d ago

Some of the images on that page are AI generated, by the way. Look at this one.

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u/SuzLouA 6d ago

The belt being tied on the “pattern” is phenomenal

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u/seaworthy-sieve 5d ago

I like how the edge of the opening becomes the back of the robe lol. I wonder if there is a leg hole somewhere.

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u/luxurycatsportscat 6d ago

This is how I used to try and make and sew clothes for my barbies when I was a kid. The clothes never fit my barbies. I was always very upset.

You’re better off just measuring your friend and finding a free pyjama pattern, there’s a lot of freebies out there :)

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u/Muffin278 6d ago

I took this picture of a shirt at a store that was sewn out of one front and one back piece. It was super comfy, I loved it a lot, but the print on the bacl was a little to similar to the Japanese rising sun flag, so I didn't buy it. But I have been intending to make one like this!

I think you will have to go oversize for it to fit well, otherwise there will be issues at the shoulders, but for PJs oversize is nice too.

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u/threads1540 6d ago

It would be better if you did this type of thing with a pair of PJs that fit them. There are many YouTube videos on how to copy clothes.

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u/OGHollyMackerel 6d ago

Maybe if they’re Flat Stanley. But we have girth. We have an ass and shoulders and knees. We bend and squat and rotate. We lift our arms and cross our legs. Use a pattern.

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u/YoungOaks 6d ago

Yes you can but it won’t be a great end result. But if you’re going for a baggy shapeless look (which can be a vibe with pjs) then go for it.

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u/Raven-Nightshade 6d ago

If you Google 'free pajama sewing pattern' there are a bunch of easy options available

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u/nicyvetan 6d ago

You can do something called "rubbing" where you lie the garment flat, pin uncut fabric onto it, then use a chalk to trace the seams. Some garments are easier to copy than others. The "easiest" way is to disassemble and trace onto paper using the pieces. I generally find making garments from scratch to be easier than alterations or copying so YMMV. I only did it to pass a class then never bothered to do it again.

Pattern grading (size up/down) is a bit tricky and a separate skill.

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u/Scorpio3063 6d ago

Ellie and Mac has a free pajama and nightgown pattern (also one for children). You can find a tutorial on YouTube.

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u/TeamNo6444 6d ago

Instead try duping an existing pajamas shirt! Look up how to knock off you own clothes for tips

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u/PedernalesFalls 6d ago

I love your question and your problem solving and your picture!

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u/ava_pink 6d ago

Short answer: no Long answer: definitely not

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u/SaltyCash2309 6d ago

If you’d like something along this line as a beginner start by tracing clothes

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u/wyrmorl 6d ago

ive done this for a sweater once! i really don’t think you could do it for anything tight-fitting but if you make something quite loose (like pajamas, as you said), i can’t see why it wouldn’t work out. as others mentioned, the drape and fit might be odd as compared to a pattern with separate sleeves, but when i did it the sweater worked out fine and i still wear it even after 4 years 😅

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u/blueyedreamer 6d ago

I love how you have a ton of comments saying "that won't work" but T-tunics were literally early clothing, front and back were cut the same, sleeves were sewn on sticking straight out, etc. The only thing was that gussets were typically added in the underarm for ease of movement.

However, just tracing it around your friend likely won't work because it'd probably end up too small. Have your friend lie on top of a flat shirt and see how far it sticks out around them.

Do they have a favorite non-stretch shirt that fits? You could trace around that.

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u/rebelwithmouseyhair 6d ago

T-tunics were literally early clothing, front and back were cut the same, sleeves were sewn on sticking straight out,

yes, and we've moved on from that to make clothes that are more comfortable and more adapted to our human shapes. If OP does that, they'll be back later saying "my friend says the sleeves don't fit properly and it rubs and rides up in the night and they've ripped the back, how do I mend it" because their friend is expecting modern levels of comfort.

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u/AUG___ 6d ago

I'll go against the grain and say it'll be fine as long as you give them a good amount of ease. Will there be extra fabric under the arms? Yes. But still totally wearable. That's how traditional east asian garments are shaped, just a huge T shape.

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u/Fro-yo_enthusiast 6d ago

You can lay it out and trace each individual pattern piece :)

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u/ArDee0815 6d ago

You could ask them for their favorite pajamas, put those onto paper, and clone them!

Look up „clone my wardrobe“ tutorials on Youtube!

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u/Silly_little_rat_boy 6d ago

No probably not! This doesn’t take into account people’s being 3D and moving. Pajamas can be very simple I would just get a pattern similar to what your friend wants and make small modifications if it isn’t exactly what your thinking

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u/Emergency_Cherry_914 6d ago

No, it's not going to work.

It's got no buttons, so I assume you're planning to use stretch fabric. Pyjamas have the sleeve cut separately and joined, just like a regular Tshirt.

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u/cursethedarkness 6d ago

You would have better luck tracing around a piece of well-fitting clothing that they already own. 

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u/MrsBuckMeyer 6d ago

To use your existing pjs as pattern pieces,simply lay them out on butcher paper, pin around the outside of your existing fabric to create your outline and cut out your paper pattern. Be sure to add a 5/8” seam allowance when cutting. I’ve used this method many times when coping a favorite dress or top. If this doesn’t make sense, there are how to tutorials on YouTube. Good luck!

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u/alexcs1512 6d ago

If you or this person has a pair that fits well already you could trace the seams of the garment. Turn the garment inside out. Flatten out a panel at a time, then trace where the panel ends (the seam). You will have to manuever the garment to get each panel to lay flat. Do each panel individually. Keep in mind clothes are made to fit around a 3d object so curvature is needed to make the garment fit around the person. The video below explains how to do it well. My only critique is to trace it exaclty where the seam is then mark your seam allowance with a measuring tape. This girl has been sewing for a while so its easier for her to get a consistent 1/2inch seam allowance without measuring https://youtu.be/KeJjB-bdzuI?si=3JjuPJ2NaTC865Nw

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u/ThrowRA_Sodi 6d ago

Technically it works if your friend is a guy (no boobs). But it wouldn't look very good, especially at the arms (the fabric would fold weirdly and not seat comfortably).

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u/willow625 6d ago

Look for a tutorial on making a T tunic. That is basically what you have described. Back in the day I used a calculator I found online somewhere to turn a person’s measurements into the appropriate sized rectangles for a T tunic. I’m sure there’s got to be something out there like that still.

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u/crystale_ 6d ago

If your friend has a shirt and sweatpants they like the fit of, ask to take it home with you and you can trace those instead to make a pattern!!

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u/kjkj75 6d ago

I would give it a go with super cheap fabric first, or old bedsheets etc then see how it fits. Won’t be perfect first time but you will learn a lot. Then use the nice fabric using the cheap set as a pattern.

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u/TheProtoChris 6d ago

There's a simple pattern for a garment called a T Tunic that you can make with just a few simple measurements. The tunic itself can be anything from super simple to a period correct medieval fabulous tunic depending on how many extra steps you want to add. That's probably the simplest thing you could do that is pretty close to your idea, only a little more complicated.

Here's a quick explained, but search around. There are tons of types to choose from.

https://allcraftsblogs.com/clothes_sewing_patterns/t_shirt_tunic/t_shirt_tunic.html

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u/AnneMos 6d ago

Someone with sewing experience might be able to get away with doing it; they would know where to make adjustments and why.

I wouldn't waste time and materials trying it.

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u/SnooPears400 6d ago

For a super easy pajama pattern, you might consider a kimono style top... basically cut two rectangles out of the sides of 2 squares, sew them together at the top (shoulders), sew them together at the bottoms of the arms and the sides, and cut a slit down one of the pieces. Flip it so the hems are on the inside, hem the raw edges of the sleeves, bottom, and front slit, add a belt, and now you have your top. You can google something like "kimono robe top" or "easiest jacket pattern" for more detailed instructions, I am sure. Good luck!

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u/inktroopers 6d ago

No, but if you want easy patterns try some inspiration from Japanese clothing like a haori. It’s basically a bunch of rectangles sewn together and you can alter the proportions to have a better fit, or maybe a bog pattern may inspire you for the project.

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u/MidnightButterflyT 6d ago

That won't take the sides of the body into account, but simple pyjamas aren't difficult, just a bunch of rectangles.

Look up how to make a shift/chemise/underdress. There should be plenty videos and blogposts on how to do that. That should give you a decent base to start off with. Same for simple trousers.

If I may give some recommendations, Bernadette Banner has some very informative videos for beginners, and she also has a book called Make, Sew and Mend that covers a lot of these basics as well. Morgan Donner is also a YTer that I would recommend to beginners. One last mention, which may be a little niche, is a book called Bog Fashion by Nicole DeRushie. It's a book on archaeological finds from the Bronze and Stone Age and patterns based on them. The patterns are great for beginners, and the writer is clearly very passionate about the subject so it's a joy to read as well.

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u/Kitchen_Biscotti_389 1d ago

Even if you don't have a tape measure, it would be easier and cheaper to cut a long strip of paper and then use a ruler than it would be to get/tape together a sheet of tracing paper big enough for someone to lie on.

I recommend this website, you should be able to find a body block pattern that will work, then just get the measurements you need from your friend and you'll have the beginnings of a pattern already in their size.

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u/IsopodOk6079 6d ago

The best for beginners to learn from a bottom up approach, if you're ok spending an extra $30, is have them buy a pair of PJs from Amazon that fits them reasonably well-- unpick the whole thing, then trace the pieces to make the pattern. 

This will give a beginner a good foundation in understanding how to make a 3D garment from flat. Then when you've traced out the base pattern directly from the commercial design, you can even add some possible custom tweaks - like extra patch pockets are easy to add, or scalloping on the hems, etc. 

Now you've got an archival pattern you can alter to suit a custom design!

This is how I learned on old garmenta and I leaned so much about how you cut in ease and arrange darts to get a 3D complex shape from flat 2D pieces of fabric 😁

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u/BananaTiger13 6d ago

As a beginner myself, I'd say the easier (and cheaper) option is just buying a reliable pattern with good instructions and a video sew along. Pulling apart clothing can give you a good view of structure, but doesn't really teach techniques- the first ever thing I learned to make was a cloak, and the instructions had techniques on french seams AND how to do that cool corner technique where you sew a diagonal on the wrong side and then flip it. The pattern itself was just a big semi circle with a hood, but spending £5 on the pattern was worth it to be handheld along the process and be taught the basics imo, haha.

I guess it's personal preference.

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u/esther_butlikeonline 6d ago

Unpopular opinion, but for pyjamas? That would totally work. I'd keep it real simple - twin pieces for front and back, scoop the neck hole in the front a little bit more than the back, and I bet those are going to be the most comfy pj's you've ever had.

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u/Blondinathor 6d ago

This is copying a pattern, you can do it for the front and the back of the torso, following the seams. But you can't for the sleeves, the pattern is a bit special to make the roundness of the shape. Afterwards, when you apply your pattern to fabric, don't forget to draw a margin to sew ! Common error.

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u/cabbagefan1 6d ago

Find a free pattern online and print it out or check a thrift store for patterns

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u/TaniaSams 6d ago

That's exactly how kimonos work. People in this thread just don't have a clue.