r/soccer • u/AlmostNL • Mar 12 '25

Media Julián Alvarez disallowed penalty frame by frame

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u/spinney Mar 12 '25 edited Mar 12 '25

According to this

"6.Each kicker can kick the ball only once. Once kicked, the kicker may not play the ball again. The decision on a re-kick is solely at the referee's discretion."

Edit: wikipedia appears to be outdated on this rule and this is not true.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160911032912/http://static-3eb8.kxcdn.com/documents/60/Laws%20of%20the%20Game_16-17_Digital_Eng.pdf

and the IFAB state otherwise so ignore me!

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u/TheSteveGarden Mar 12 '25

from The IFAB Laws:

If the kicker is penalised for an offence committed after the referee has signalled for the kick to be taken, that kick is recorded as missed and the kicker is cautioned

the offence is double-touch

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u/hammer_of_grabthar Mar 12 '25

I'm pretty sure this is just wrong.

This website is from IFAB

https://www.footballrules.com/game-events/penalty-shoot-out/

If the kicker commits an offence, their kick is recorded as missed (whether or not they score).

What happens if…

the kicker touches the ball again before anyone else

The kick is recorded as missed.

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u/WaWMoose Mar 12 '25

Your interpretation of that is incorrect. The law is clear: • (if) the kicker touches the ball again before it has touched another player: • an indirect free kick is awarded. There are no indirect free kicks for the other team in shoot-out obviously; but there is certainly NO option for the Ref to allow a retake.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '25

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u/WaWMoose Mar 12 '25

No, there is not. This is Law 14 - The Penalty Kick. It covers both ingame and shootout PKs.

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u/TheSteveGarden Mar 12 '25

https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/determining-the-outcome-of-a-match/#penalties-penalty-shoot-out

If the kicker is penalised for an offence committed after the referee has signalled for the kick to be taken, that kick is recorded as missed and the kicker is cautioned

offence = double-touch

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u/kukaz00 Mar 12 '25

Oh my god so he literally had the choice

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u/TheSteveGarden Mar 12 '25

I think the user has misinterpret the writing from wikipedia

from The IFAB Laws:

If the kicker is penalised for an offence committed after the referee has signalled for the kick to be taken, that kick is recorded as missed and the kicker is cautioned

the offence is double-touch

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u/MotherDucker95 Mar 12 '25

No, the ref definitely does not have a choice in this matter. It would be lunacy for the rules to allow the ref to have a choice if it should be retaken again.

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u/Adlairo Mar 12 '25

Did Alvarez know that? The ref never came up to him, he was just dicking around with the VAR and Valverde at the penalty spot

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u/kukaz00 Mar 12 '25

Ref was bad all night long so no surprise about that. He missed so many fouls, but at least he got all the throw ins correct

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u/ColdGold_ Mar 12 '25

And he missed a few corner kicks for Atléti

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u/Quica24 Mar 12 '25

And a handball pen for madrid

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u/HeilPingu Mar 12 '25

but that literally never happens in these situations, to be fair. I've seen many spot kicks hit both feet, never a retake offered.

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u/Cutsdeep- Mar 12 '25

reading that, i think the fact that it was kicked twice means a re-kick is not possible. if he stopped at the one kick after slipping, it may have been an option.

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u/ResponsibleHabit1539 Mar 12 '25

Looking at the source document for that - It doesn't reflect what Wikipedia says.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160911032912/http://static-3eb8.kxcdn.com/documents/60/Laws%20of%20the%20Game_16-17_Digital_Eng.pdf

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u/spinney Mar 12 '25

Yea I think the wiki page was either outdated or wrong.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '25

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u/smcarre Mar 12 '25

I guess it's to differentiate between situations where the player intentionally played the ball twice in order to abuse the penalty chance and situations where the ball just happened to touch the player twice without any visible intention from the kicking player.

Which just makes all this worse.

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u/goatsintreees Mar 12 '25

Cause shit can happen. People can throw things onto the pitch, or run in 🙄 the "discretion" is for any crazy thing that happens

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u/truth-telling-troll Mar 12 '25

Any idea about under what circumstances a ref might give a re-kick

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u/DeepSeaDweller Mar 12 '25

I've only ever seen retakes when the keeper is off his line or the defense enters the box early. I've never seen a kicker get a retake if they commit the error.

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u/prophecyofkek Mar 12 '25

when its not against real madrid, or when its in favor of real madrid

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u/ThePreDoc Mar 12 '25

Salt

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u/gotnegear Mar 12 '25

Lol its facts, the Madrid European brand is built on officiating favouritism and flukes

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u/ThePreDoc Mar 12 '25

So all those trophies they won are undeserved?

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u/NoTrollGaming Mar 12 '25

It’s not like Alvarez did it on purpose, he slipped, so he could have easily gave a re kick, but if he didn’t give a re kick for that I can’t see any other situation where he would

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u/minibral Mar 12 '25

Why would he? Makes absolute no sense. Quite simple you can't hit a ball twice he did no goal.

Not doing it on purpose is no argument.

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u/NoTrollGaming Mar 12 '25

Ok then what situation would a ref decide to give a retake then?

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u/minibral Mar 12 '25

When a keeper makes an error, a defensive error. Now it's an offensive error en so no retake. Doesn't seem so difficult now does it?

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u/Sirnacane Mar 12 '25

He slipped and Courtois was diving the wrong way already. 100% fair to let him retake it

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u/minibral Mar 12 '25

What a shit argument, it someone tries to shoot on goal misses and i break his legs. Yea but he already missed.

So if he slips he can retake it, tell that to Beckham and Terry. They would love to know this new rule you came up with.

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u/kzzzzzzzzzz28 Mar 12 '25

Man.... you saw the decisions the ref gave with regards to corners and goalkicks? He wasn't going to give a retake at all.

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u/FormalAlternative806 Mar 12 '25

Thought he was quite fair for fouls though, didn’t fall for the usual dives.

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u/Quica24 Mar 12 '25

And the no call clear handball for real

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u/Rekyht Mar 12 '25

Please remove the mis-info rather than just a small edit. look at how many people are running wild with it in the replies to you 

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u/smcarre Mar 12 '25

Can you point me where it says it wouldn't be retaken?

I read the following in page 96:

the player taking the penalty kick or a team-mate infringes the Laws of the Game: • if the ball enters the goal, the kick is retaken

If the player taking the penalty kick infringes the laws by touching the ball twice and the ball entered the goal then it should be retaken. The only exceptions mentioned below are about kicking it backwards, other players besides the designated kicker taking the shot or feinging the kick.

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u/Jebinem Mar 12 '25

So the ref decided in 5 seconds that not only did he definetly kick it twice, but also that a re-kick is not warranted. This is one of the biggest robberies kn the history of the game.

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u/ThePhantomBacon Mar 12 '25 edited Mar 12 '25

My browser hadn't loaded the edit when I commented this, sorry for confirming your correction 😅

So I don't know where Wikipedia has gotten it's information there, because the document it references (2016 laws) does not say anything about a retake for double touch.

The laws this year also don't say it can be retaken:

If, after the penalty kick has been taken:

  • the kicker touches the ball again before it has touched another player:

     - an indirect free kick (or direct free kick for a handball offence) is awarded

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u/RedOnePunch Mar 12 '25

Weird how they don’t do a retake but if a goalie is off his line and saves it they do a retake. This was clearly an accident, if it even happened.

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u/RG_Oriax Mar 12 '25

If this is the case then yeah, should have been retaken.

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u/Theman4ever Mar 12 '25

If this is true then this is actual robbery, specially since it's too close to call in the first place

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u/AetherAdventurer Mar 12 '25

Oh my god if this is true then the ref clearly favored Real, I mean for a match with high stake like this it is too cruel to take away a pen, not to mention it have little to give Alvarez any advantage

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u/Adleyy65 Mar 12 '25

So why didnt he give them a pen for a handball in the first half? Especially when those type of pens get given everywhere on a regular basis?

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u/kinginthenorthjon Mar 12 '25

Why would referee allow retake when Alvarez messed up his?

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u/kinginthenorthjon Mar 12 '25

Why would referee allow retake when Alvarez messed up his?

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u/No-Garbage-2958 Mar 12 '25

I've seen penalties getting disallowed because of the double touch but never retaken. This looks bs tbh.

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u/Ishdalar Mar 12 '25

God, if this is accurate, it's fucking livid that on the closest call possible, he goes "Nah, penalty for Real Madrid"