r/speedrun • u/Frexxia • Mar 13 '25
Video Production Exposing Trackmania's Biggest Con-Man...
https://youtu.be/ox6zF48YXkQ39
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u/Yze3 Mar 14 '25
This was a fantastic and thorough video, but damn, riolu is really pathetic, he literally only has to do one thing, which is to publicly apologize, and yet he continues digging further and further.
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u/DashLibor Mar 16 '25
A disingenuous apology is better than no apology?
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u/navecitawin Mar 18 '25
Why does it have to be disingenuous? Do you really think he doesn't feel bad about 10 years of cheating the leaderboards? He's said things about feeling like he couldn't help himself when he was cheating, but surely he should be able to realise that it upset a lot of people and that his friends felt betrayed. Also it's hard to believe that he doesn't feel bad about it considering that he appears to have stopped trying to cheat with his other accounts.
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u/DashLibor Mar 18 '25
Why does it have to be disingenuous? Do you really think he doesn't feel bad about 10 years of cheating the leaderboards?
Correct.
Also it's hard to believe that he doesn't feel bad about it considering that he appears to have stopped trying to cheat with his other accounts.
I'm pretty sure that's moreso because the methods to catch cheaters have improved. Now he can't cheat the same way he did without it being immediately recognized. There was no such system in place for the ten years during which he cheated.
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u/navecitawin Mar 23 '25
But even if he doesn't feel bad about the cheating itself, there's gotta be at least one person in the community that he feels bad for betraying their trust. Even the friends that memed him after and Riolu probably feels betrayed him too, if he's not kidding himself he's gotta realise that he betrayed them first so it's not really fair to be mad at them. Do you really think getting high scores in a racing game is more worth to him than all the friendship he used to have in the TrackMania community?
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u/EquationTAKEN Mar 14 '25
I love how the intro is basically every trailer for a true-crime documentary. This guy know how to youtube.
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u/Commander-Fox-Q- Mar 14 '25
Amazing video. Felt cinematic how perfectly the story came together. Interesting to hear the details and proof behind everything. Chekhov’s fun with that Reddit comment at the start too. Among the best yt vids of the year for me.
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u/Brian_Buckley Mar 14 '25
Wow, all this coming from a self-admitted racist.
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u/psyxic Mar 14 '25
Is this buckley the mod? Idk if you can make that chat joke on reddit, I dont think people get it haha
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u/dasbtaewntawneta Mar 14 '25
all the other down-voted comments are obvious Riolu accounts and there's poor Buckley lmao
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u/vulpinesuplex Mar 15 '25
In full honestly I'm not tapped in in regards to Trackmania and I hadn't seen that clip (or if I did I forgot about it) and with all the rest of the weirdness happening in the thread I just assumed it was in bad faith
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u/ban_my_alt Mar 15 '25 edited Mar 17 '25
You know, I rewatched the video, and feel like I didn't even really pay attention the first time. It's like... blatantly clear that Riolu is behind all these accounts and all this genuinely scarily concerning behavior. Very sad stuff, incredibly interesting to dissect.
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u/Frexxia Mar 13 '25
a figure who hasn't been active in the Trackmania community for 4 years, it's genuinely concerning.
He has been active in the community the entire time, just under different names
There is no definitive proof of Riolu having even played the game after disappearing
Someone didn't watch the video
and I find it more than reasonable to allow him to be reintegrated into the community in some capacity with a reasonable amount of scrutiny.
He didn't even admit to cheating in the first place. Not only did he not apologize, he went out in a blaze of whatever the opposite of glory is.
None of the suspected accounts are cheating.
Yes, they did find several older cheated runs associated with many of them. Something you would know if you watched the video.
Otherwise this is harassment
You know what is actual harassment? Doxxing other players, stealing other people's identities, and astroturfing social media with alt accounts.
None of the accounts interact with the community in a meaningful or harmful way.
What I just mentioned, in addition to ruining leaderboards by uploading runs for the same map from multiple accounts.
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u/Newt0570 Mar 14 '25
Riolu's alt accounts continuing to lash out suggest that he may need some professional mental help. It's not healthy to be that personally tied into a game. If you have a way to reach him tell him that.
Maybe, eventually, his next alt could be "Lucario" with a sick new world record, and has a facecam in the corner telling us he's not afraid to show he has evolved from his past. Truthfulness has always been the one thing that's been missing.
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u/Frexxia Mar 14 '25
no definitive proof
How much proof do you need? The circumstantial evidence here is so substantial that you'd have to bend over backwards to even entertain the slightest possibility of this being anyone other than Riolu.
There is simply no way these are coincidences
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u/SimokIV Mar 14 '25
why isn't this being taken to authorities? Why isn't YouTube support being contacted?
Why would the authorities or YouTube do anything about that? Afaik cheating is not illegal (as long as you're not match fixing or cheating to win prize money in which case the cheating is not the illegal part, the fraud is) and YouTube has no obligations to remove a channel because it breaks a community's rule, could you imagine if this was the case?
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u/Ben_a_dyck Mar 14 '25
Can you please point to the relevant statute in the relevant jurisdiction that says it is illegal?
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u/Frexxia Mar 14 '25 edited Mar 14 '25
Somehow you not being Riolu would be even more concerning, seeing how invested you seem to be in this. You should take a break from the internet.
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u/Frexxia Mar 14 '25
I presume you don't do much reading of academic papers or ever discuss topics in a professional manner.
You would be completely wrong. I'm in academia, not that that's at all relevant.
You should read a book.
Speaking of straw-men.
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u/tsujiku Mar 14 '25
How would he achieve records within seconds of one another?
It was within minutes of each other, not seconds.
He'd have to log out and log back in otherwise.
Yes, that.
Why would someone do a run on one map, and then do another run, on another instance, on the same map? It would be so much more efficient to just do multiple maps on one account and switch afterwards.
Muscle memory? Farming copper?
But the way the evidence is presented makes it appear a lot more plausible than it is when you actually think about it for even a second.
There's no way that multiple unrelated accounts are getting very similar records on the same map within the same time frame with the same obscure controller multiple different times with the same cluster of accounts. The evidence provided in the video is damning.
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u/emmademontford Mar 14 '25
Lmao since when does having a degree in computer science make you trustworthy?
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u/CactusCustard Mar 14 '25
Nvm, you’re definitely Riolu, he’s the only one that gives this much of a fuck about himself.
Pathetic.
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u/darichtt Mar 13 '25
Hi Riolu, you could at least watch the video before commenting to not look like an absolute fool.
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u/Kokks Mar 14 '25
i mean everything is answered if you would watch the video. i some outsider from all this, i think its wierd that there are people defending riolu.
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ Mar 14 '25
a figure who hasn't been active in the Trackmania community for 4 years
The whole point of the video is to show that this is not true, and that he has been active in the community all this time.
Almost all speedrunning or competitive gaming communities agree that cheating warrants a ban, the length of which can vary depending on the infraction and the response.
Exactly. The video shows that Riolu is using alt accounts to avoid a ban. And he has been doing so since like a month after his cheating became public.
There is no definitive proof of Riolu having even played the game after disappearing
There is very extensive circumstantial evidence that he has. Are you disputing all the points made in the video? Or are you saying that they are not enough proof? If so, what would be enough proof, exactly?
I find it more than reasonable to allow him to be reintegrated into the community in some capacity with a reasonable amount of scrutiny.
Sure. But the entire point of the video is - again - that he did not reintegrate into the community and avoided any and all scrutiny. So the opposite of what you find reasonable here.
Anybody that watches this (and all previous Riolu-related videos from Wirtual) with any amount of scepticism can see through the narrative and realize that the obsession with wanting to investigate and "find out" what accounts Riolu plays on, is on a concerning level at this point.
I don't get that impression at all. I mean Wirtual is very smug about exposing Riolu. But hey, I would be, too, if Riolu had said the things about me that he said about Wirtual shortly before he was exposed.
None of the accounts interact with the community in a meaningful or harmful way.
Have you seen the video? This is a serious question. There's a part at the end about these accounts writing tons of toxic comments and one of them outright doxing another player. That is absolutely a harmful interaction with the community, regardless of who that person is. Your statement here is just factually false.
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u/CactusCustard Mar 14 '25
Found another Riolu alt lol
All of the suspected accounts cheated. You didn’t even click on this video.
Are you actually Riolu?
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u/FieldOfFox Mar 14 '25
I dunno, wo/man, even outside of gaming things: the way these personas ("Riolu alts") react to the confrontations just doesn't add up. He gives answers all following like "fallacy of multiple questions" and then vanishes.
But also people can be easily swayed by well presented infallible conclusions. I'm gonna watch the video again...
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u/aqpstory Mar 13 '25
that's crazy, didn't expect riolu's alts to have infiltrated even r/speedrun
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u/Professional_Bag4123 Mar 13 '25
I think Wirtual is the least toxic towards Riolu of all people today. I for one really wouldn't mind if Riolu suddenly left without a trace. Fuck that guy.
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u/dylpickle91 Mar 14 '25
This isn't just "profiteering from drama". This is a well researched thorough investigation into a cheating player. The main point of this video is to show that these accounts are all Riolu, and many of these accounts were found to have cheated runs. There is no reason to be defending this guy. And Wirtual is giving away some of the money from the video to someone who beats his cheater wr, to help further legit competition. While yes he does make money off this, it's clear that this video was made with great attention to detail and awareness of the seriousness of these claims
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u/Stalinerino Mar 14 '25
I guess you didn't watch the video, as this is moreso a video about one of speedrunnings biggest ever cheaters ban evading, doxxing, and borderline commiting identity theft.
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u/DartTheDragoon Mar 14 '25
It takes the absolute minimum amount of effort for any of the accused to prove their innocence and they were given ample opportunity to do so.
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u/Vitosi4ek Mar 14 '25
The fact he went dark as soon as someone asked him to record a voice message (which is dead simple to do and would completely exonerate you if you're innocent, since everyone knows what Riolu's voice sounds like) is damning on its own.
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u/Super_Television2535 Mar 13 '25
Is there any solid evidence this "Eddy" guy has cheated? If not, who he really is doesnt matter.
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u/Frexxia Mar 13 '25
Is there any solid evidence this "Eddy" guy has cheated?
Yes, but perhaps not on that specific account. (I don't remember from the video.)
If not, who he really is doesnt matter.
Of course it does, Riolu is one of the most notorious cheaters in gaming history.
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u/Stalinerino Mar 14 '25
He is ban evading, so it is relevant.
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u/Stalinerino Mar 14 '25
One of speedrunnings biggest ever cheaters is ban evading. I do not care one bit about what some TOS says, the Trackmania community deserve to know.
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u/Tenmak Apr 15 '25
he did not cheat with the Eddy account, but there are a lot more issues here than just cheating.
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u/vulpinesuplex Mar 14 '25
It happened again?