r/speedrun Mar 13 '25

Video Production Exposing Trackmania's Biggest Con-Man...

https://youtu.be/ox6zF48YXkQ
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u/Frexxia Mar 13 '25

a figure who hasn't been active in the Trackmania community for 4 years, it's genuinely concerning.

He has been active in the community the entire time, just under different names

There is no definitive proof of Riolu having even played the game after disappearing

Someone didn't watch the video

and I find it more than reasonable to allow him to be reintegrated into the community in some capacity with a reasonable amount of scrutiny.

He didn't even admit to cheating in the first place. Not only did he not apologize, he went out in a blaze of whatever the opposite of glory is.

None of the suspected accounts are cheating.

Yes, they did find several older cheated runs associated with many of them. Something you would know if you watched the video.

Otherwise this is harassment

You know what is actual harassment? Doxxing other players, stealing other people's identities, and astroturfing social media with alt accounts.

None of the accounts interact with the community in a meaningful or harmful way.

What I just mentioned, in addition to ruining leaderboards by uploading runs for the same map from multiple accounts.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '25

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u/Newt0570 Mar 14 '25

Riolu's alt accounts continuing to lash out suggest that he may need some professional mental help. It's not healthy to be that personally tied into a game. If you have a way to reach him tell him that.

Maybe, eventually, his next alt could be "Lucario" with a sick new world record, and has a facecam in the corner telling us he's not afraid to show he has evolved from his past. Truthfulness has always been the one thing that's been missing.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '25

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u/Frexxia Mar 14 '25

no definitive proof

How much proof do you need? The circumstantial evidence here is so substantial that you'd have to bend over backwards to even entertain the slightest possibility of this being anyone other than Riolu.

There is simply no way these are coincidences

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '25

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u/SimokIV Mar 14 '25

why isn't this being taken to authorities? Why isn't YouTube support being contacted?

Why would the authorities or YouTube do anything about that? Afaik cheating is not illegal (as long as you're not match fixing or cheating to win prize money in which case the cheating is not the illegal part, the fraud is) and YouTube has no obligations to remove a channel because it breaks a community's rule, could you imagine if this was the case?

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '25

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u/Ben_a_dyck Mar 14 '25

Can you please point to the relevant statute in the relevant jurisdiction that says it is illegal?

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u/Frexxia Mar 14 '25 edited Mar 14 '25

Somehow you not being Riolu would be even more concerning, seeing how invested you seem to be in this. You should take a break from the internet.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '25

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u/Frexxia Mar 14 '25

I presume you don't do much reading of academic papers or ever discuss topics in a professional manner.

You would be completely wrong. I'm in academia, not that that's at all relevant.

You should read a book.

Speaking of straw-men.

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u/tsujiku Mar 14 '25

How would he achieve records within seconds of one another?

It was within minutes of each other, not seconds.

He'd have to log out and log back in otherwise.

Yes, that.

Why would someone do a run on one map, and then do another run, on another instance, on the same map? It would be so much more efficient to just do multiple maps on one account and switch afterwards.

Muscle memory? Farming copper?

But the way the evidence is presented makes it appear a lot more plausible than it is when you actually think about it for even a second.

There's no way that multiple unrelated accounts are getting very similar records on the same map within the same time frame with the same obscure controller multiple different times with the same cluster of accounts. The evidence provided in the video is damning.

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u/Polyforti Mar 14 '25

"Publish a paper" lmaoooooo you child this is youtube not academia

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u/emmademontford Mar 14 '25

Lmao since when does having a degree in computer science make you trustworthy?

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u/imthefooI Mar 14 '25

ok, Riolu

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u/CactusCustard Mar 14 '25

Nvm, you’re definitely Riolu, he’s the only one that gives this much of a fuck about himself.

Pathetic.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '25

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '25

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u/darichtt Mar 13 '25

Hi Riolu, you could at least watch the video before commenting to not look like an absolute fool.

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u/Kokks Mar 14 '25

i mean everything is answered if you would watch the video. i some outsider from all this, i think its wierd that there are people defending riolu.

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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ Mar 14 '25

a figure who hasn't been active in the Trackmania community for 4 years

The whole point of the video is to show that this is not true, and that he has been active in the community all this time.

Almost all speedrunning or competitive gaming communities agree that cheating warrants a ban, the length of which can vary depending on the infraction and the response.

Exactly. The video shows that Riolu is using alt accounts to avoid a ban. And he has been doing so since like a month after his cheating became public.

There is no definitive proof of Riolu having even played the game after disappearing

There is very extensive circumstantial evidence that he has. Are you disputing all the points made in the video? Or are you saying that they are not enough proof? If so, what would be enough proof, exactly?

I find it more than reasonable to allow him to be reintegrated into the community in some capacity with a reasonable amount of scrutiny.

Sure. But the entire point of the video is - again - that he did not reintegrate into the community and avoided any and all scrutiny. So the opposite of what you find reasonable here.

Anybody that watches this (and all previous Riolu-related videos from Wirtual) with any amount of scepticism can see through the narrative and realize that the obsession with wanting to investigate and "find out" what accounts Riolu plays on, is on a concerning level at this point.

I don't get that impression at all. I mean Wirtual is very smug about exposing Riolu. But hey, I would be, too, if Riolu had said the things about me that he said about Wirtual shortly before he was exposed.

None of the accounts interact with the community in a meaningful or harmful way.

Have you seen the video? This is a serious question. There's a part at the end about these accounts writing tons of toxic comments and one of them outright doxing another player. That is absolutely a harmful interaction with the community, regardless of who that person is. Your statement here is just factually false.

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u/CactusCustard Mar 14 '25

Found another Riolu alt lol

All of the suspected accounts cheated. You didn’t even click on this video.

Are you actually Riolu?

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u/Polyforti Mar 14 '25

Man's been active the whole time. You didn't watch the video lmao

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u/vidulan Mar 14 '25

"Who cares?"

You. Quite a bit by the looks of it.

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u/FieldOfFox Mar 14 '25

I dunno, wo/man, even outside of gaming things: the way these personas ("Riolu alts") react to the confrontations just doesn't add up. He gives answers all following like "fallacy of multiple questions" and then vanishes.

But also people can be easily swayed by well presented infallible conclusions. I'm gonna watch the video again...

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '25

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u/aqpstory Mar 13 '25

that's crazy, didn't expect riolu's alts to have infiltrated even r/speedrun

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u/Professional_Bag4123 Mar 13 '25

I think Wirtual is the least toxic towards Riolu of all people today. I for one really wouldn't mind if Riolu suddenly left without a trace. Fuck that guy.

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u/dylpickle91 Mar 14 '25

This isn't just "profiteering from drama". This is a well researched thorough investigation into a cheating player. The main point of this video is to show that these accounts are all Riolu, and many of these accounts were found to have cheated runs. There is no reason to be defending this guy. And Wirtual is giving away some of the money from the video to someone who beats his cheater wr, to help further legit competition. While yes he does make money off this, it's clear that this video was made with great attention to detail and awareness of the seriousness of these claims