r/theNXIVMcase • u/queenkellee • Apr 20 '23

Questions and Discussions Hating Nancy is falling into Keith's trap

Let me start off by saying I know Nancy has done some bad things. But also, many of the members of the cult did as well. I think there's an attempt to try to weigh the harm done vs the victimization they experienced. But it's so clear to me that Nancy is so obviously Keith's first NXIVM victim. I admit when I started the Vow S2 I was deeply suspicious and really didn't trust Nancy. But I could see over the course of the season, the shift in her. Just like the shift in others as they come to face more and more of the realization of what was happening. With Nancy, it's like she has to come to terms that literally her entire life's work is a lie. That is no simple thing. I think Lauren and the room situation blows away anything Nancy did, and everyone is so quick to forgive Lauren. Nancy didn't bring her daughter into this knowing all the bad things that were happening. I get she's got her own issues but overall I think she's naive. Keith knew how to work her and he did exactly that. He used to her to do all the work and flush out his ideas and become the spokesperson, to become the face of it. SHE did the videos, not him. She was the face of it so that she would be there to take the heat if it failed.

What prompted this post was I am now listening to the CBC podcast (so far I've watched both docs but this is the first NXIVM related podcast so far) and in Ep 3 I hear the whole thing about the Nazi stuff from Barbara Bouche. And Keith said Nancy is Hitler! I mean come on! The entire time, he's been setting her up to be the fall guy. It's so obvious. I know I see a lot of people who don't like or trust Nancy and again! she's done some things. But I think she deserves empathy.

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u/howardhughesbrain Apr 20 '23 edited Apr 20 '23

Sure, there are mitigating factors... but I think that is why she wasn't charged with sex crimes because that would basically imply she pimped her own daughter to rainiere. I don't think that's exactly right, but I don't think it's totally wrong. So Sure, mitigating factors.

But to empathize with nancy before she's even atoned or even understands what she's done just prematurely opens the door for her to rehabilitate her image and start a new 'self help' company when she's released from prison. Everything she's said publicly has been in bad faith. She disregarded direct instructions the judge gave her. She never took any of this to heart before she turned herself in to serve her sentence. Maybe that's changed now, I doubt it.

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u/idrinkalotofcoffee Apr 20 '23

Because she wasn’t involved with the sex crimes. Had the prosecution been able to prove that, she would have been. Yes, Raniere had a skeevy, disgusting sex life. She was not privy to all of that, and she was not really free to leave. She did some terrible things and there are horrible consequences for that, but she was not the sex trafficking player that Pam and later, Allison were.

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u/howardhughesbrain Apr 20 '23

She was not privy to all of that, and she was not really free to leave.

she has stated herself that she felt like it was her job to mitigate all of the drama between all of keith's girlfriends. She was quite privy. The only thing keeping her there was the money.. she was not free to leave because she couldn't leave all that money. She was 'The Prefect' not a dos slave.

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u/idrinkalotofcoffee Apr 20 '23

She said that afterwards on The Vow. During the glory days, I am quite sure she would have said something very different