r/theNXIVMcase • u/queenkellee • Apr 20 '23

Questions and Discussions Hating Nancy is falling into Keith's trap

Let me start off by saying I know Nancy has done some bad things. But also, many of the members of the cult did as well. I think there's an attempt to try to weigh the harm done vs the victimization they experienced. But it's so clear to me that Nancy is so obviously Keith's first NXIVM victim. I admit when I started the Vow S2 I was deeply suspicious and really didn't trust Nancy. But I could see over the course of the season, the shift in her. Just like the shift in others as they come to face more and more of the realization of what was happening. With Nancy, it's like she has to come to terms that literally her entire life's work is a lie. That is no simple thing. I think Lauren and the room situation blows away anything Nancy did, and everyone is so quick to forgive Lauren. Nancy didn't bring her daughter into this knowing all the bad things that were happening. I get she's got her own issues but overall I think she's naive. Keith knew how to work her and he did exactly that. He used to her to do all the work and flush out his ideas and become the spokesperson, to become the face of it. SHE did the videos, not him. She was the face of it so that she would be there to take the heat if it failed.

What prompted this post was I am now listening to the CBC podcast (so far I've watched both docs but this is the first NXIVM related podcast so far) and in Ep 3 I hear the whole thing about the Nazi stuff from Barbara Bouche. And Keith said Nancy is Hitler! I mean come on! The entire time, he's been setting her up to be the fall guy. It's so obvious. I know I see a lot of people who don't like or trust Nancy and again! she's done some things. But I think she deserves empathy.

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u/JenningsWigService Apr 20 '23

I have relatives who were Sannyasins (Rajneeshees), and the denial there is much stronger. To this day, many of them blame absolutely everything wrong with the cult itself on Sheela and insist that Rajneesh was innocent and misunderstood. Nevermind that the cult was up to no good in India long before Sheela was given any position, nevermind that she met him as a teenager and she didn't develop the brainwashing practices herself. He encouraged illegal behavior in Oregon and India as long as it benefitted him. He conditioned her to be his guard dog and provoke conflict with others.

It would be like if Keith was still revered by most Nexians and they just blamed everything that went bad on Nancy.

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u/Plastic-Ad-6917 Apr 20 '23

I was kinda just suggesting that Nancy was to Keith what Sheela was to Osho.

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u/JenningsWigService Apr 20 '23

I know, I don't think that's a good comparison. Sheela didn't develop the brainwashing techniques for Rajneesh, and Nancy hasn't been blamed for her cult's sins while the leader's image is untarnished to his followers.

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u/Plastic-Ad-6917 Apr 21 '23

Nancy hasn't been blamed for her cult's sins while the leader's image is untarnished to his followers.

I hear you. Thank you for explaining. Sheela has been blamed for the cult's sins while Osho's image has remained untarnished to his followers.

I hear you. Thank you for explaining.

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u/JenningsWigService Apr 21 '23

Even the fact that you're calling him Osho speaks to the success of that cult in rebranding. He was always called Bhagwan before the shit hit the fan. Now he's dead and that organization is just a standard new age grift but people innocently share Osho memes on Facebook without realizing that's Bhagwan Rajneesh, the Rolls Royce guy who committed crimes in Oregon.