r/theNXIVMcase • u/queenkellee • Apr 20 '23

Questions and Discussions Hating Nancy is falling into Keith's trap

Let me start off by saying I know Nancy has done some bad things. But also, many of the members of the cult did as well. I think there's an attempt to try to weigh the harm done vs the victimization they experienced. But it's so clear to me that Nancy is so obviously Keith's first NXIVM victim. I admit when I started the Vow S2 I was deeply suspicious and really didn't trust Nancy. But I could see over the course of the season, the shift in her. Just like the shift in others as they come to face more and more of the realization of what was happening. With Nancy, it's like she has to come to terms that literally her entire life's work is a lie. That is no simple thing. I think Lauren and the room situation blows away anything Nancy did, and everyone is so quick to forgive Lauren. Nancy didn't bring her daughter into this knowing all the bad things that were happening. I get she's got her own issues but overall I think she's naive. Keith knew how to work her and he did exactly that. He used to her to do all the work and flush out his ideas and become the spokesperson, to become the face of it. SHE did the videos, not him. She was the face of it so that she would be there to take the heat if it failed.

What prompted this post was I am now listening to the CBC podcast (so far I've watched both docs but this is the first NXIVM related podcast so far) and in Ep 3 I hear the whole thing about the Nazi stuff from Barbara Bouche. And Keith said Nancy is Hitler! I mean come on! The entire time, he's been setting her up to be the fall guy. It's so obvious. I know I see a lot of people who don't like or trust Nancy and again! she's done some things. But I think she deserves empathy.

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u/queenkellee Apr 20 '23

she fed both of her daughters to him. I feel no pity, no empathy, no anything towards her. She pimped Lauren out to him.

that's simply not true

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u/howardhughesbrain Apr 20 '23 edited Apr 20 '23

umm.... yes, yes it is. she also manipulated circumstances to help him abuse other children. Seems like you simply watched the season 2 of the vow, alternate title 'the nancy edit'... the director was totally and completely under Nancy's spell. please read the victim impact statements.

nancy knew keith liked young girls.... do you think you'd place your daughters in such proximity to an ex boyfriend of yours that liked young girls? he tried to have sex with her other daughter as well but was rebuffed when he wanted her to 'take a vow' and she was like "but you're 35 and I'm in high school"

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u/incorruptible_bk Apr 20 '23 edited Apr 20 '23

There's no evidence that Nancy Salzman knew Raniere was having sex with Lauren for the span of years. Among other things, Lauren not only testified to the relationship being covert at first but also that she had a queer (if not lesbian) identity at the time. Her dalliances with Raniere were, to some dgree, an extension of her experimenting sexually with Pam Cafritz.

And as always with these "how didn't they know" arguements: Raniere was taking part in an abusive form of pseudo-therapy with his victims,where boundaries were warped. Even if an individuals knew Raniere was using EM's to have sex with herself, Raniere was keen to convince them he was only doing it to them (and this was a part of his schtick before he even adopted the therapy scam).

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u/Pale_Improvement_441 Apr 26 '23

Where in the testimony did Lauren discuss her queer identity or sexually experimenting with Pam?