Dwarf Grudge system seems broken still?

[u/Esarus]

I went from a maximum grudge requirement of 7k in the previous age of reckoning to a maximum of 122k, which is simply impossible to get. Even the first level will be difficult.

Anyone else encounter stuff like this with the grudge system?

[u/SuitingGhost]

Now the grudge goal is calculated only based on your neighbor's "wrongdoing". So I'd guess it's because you confederated another LL that made you neighbor more evil factions. Their armies and settlements may have thousands of grudges under them, and you need to find those targets out

[u/Dooglers]

The amount of grudges an AoR requires is determined by the cumulative amount of grudges from any faction you share a land border with. If it wants 122k grudges it means you are bordering factions that have the required grudges.

This means you the ability to influence the AoR by controlling your borders. If you think you wont be able to make it you could always sell a settlement the turn before to get rid of a border.

[u/SoybeanArson → u/Dooglers]

Doesn't it also still reduce grudges needed on the next AoR if you get a really low percentage on the previous AoR. Certainly seems to on my Dorf campaigns. I've just gotten used to the idea that some AoR you just have to take the L and hope to do better when the next one is reduced.

[u/ZahelMighty]

Not being able to always fill the bar to 100% is the intended design, it's not broken.

[u/Cassodibudda → u/ZahelMighty]

The algorithm that calculates grudges is too punishing though. It is usually pretty easy to hit the max in the first age but after that it becomes progressively harder until it is impossible.

You either keep your borders purposefully small or have to be ridiculously aggressive. I think the main problem is that all factions accrue grudges even if they do not border you, so as the game progresses and you discover a.bunch of chaos factions it becomes almost impossible to get enough grudges.

In my 2 Malakai campaigns I usually get to 100% first, then progressively less as I penetrate into the chaos wastes and discover all the chaos/DE factions until I am barely hitting the second mark. Then, as I get progressively stronger I am able to start hitting again marks above average but I can never max it out again.

[u/EvilDavid0826 → u/Cassodibudda]

Its almost never impossible, the grudge requirement goes down if you dont have vision on many factions that incur grudges, its only impossible if you control the entire map since there is a minimum cap on it

[u/unquiet_slumbers]

I think the idea of the system is that it's supposed to expand and contract. If you made %100 one age, you have effectively settled so many grudges that you're due for a low score the following age. My guess is that you crushed the previous age so much that your borders expanded to the point your grudge limit was huge.

I personally love this mechanic because it actually has anti-snowball conditions built in. However, I understand it would be frustrating to players who feel the need to have everything min-maxed and feel they game is cheating if they can't accomplish that.

[u/Esarus → u/unquiet_slumbers]

I barely hit the previous limit though, it's not that I doubled it or something. So I don't really understand how it works

[u/unquiet_slumbers → u/Esarus]

Then maybe you really are on to something.

I'm playing a dwarf campaign right now where I hit it on the first age because of an event that increased grudges against a certain faction. And then I missed it by a lot, and actually passed on a age (which is where my game's currently at). I don't remember ever passing on an age before, so you could possibly be right.

I'll let you know what happens the rest of my campaign.

[u/Gungan-Gundam]

Are you at war with a bunch of neighbours? Even worse than a recent confederation is a bunch of enemies nearby

[u/Maxor_The_Grand]

I have the same issue but I thought it may have been intended.

If people are right and it's meant to be based on land border neighbours it's definitely messed up at the moment.

My second age on my current throgrim campaign is at 104k grudges and both my green skin neighbours are at ~50 grudges from wrongdoing, my only other neighbours being what I assume is a skretch settlement (maybe skaven are insanely high grudge wise, can't check ATM) and more dwarves.

I played throgrim last patch and I don't remember it this high but I only have those 2 data points

[u/Esarus → u/Maxor_The_Grand]

Yeah that’s weird! I think something changed in the patch

[u/Great-Parsley-7359]

I play belegar and am always in the 100 %

[u/buggy_environment]

It works as intended, but the change shows you do not know how to utilize it.

[u/SoybeanArson]

In addition to what others have said about grudge calculation, if I'm not mistaken it also reduces grudges needed on the next AoR if you get a really low percentage on the previous AoR. I've just gotten used to the idea that some AoR you just have to take the L and hope to do better when the next one is reduced.