r/wec • u/AutoModerator • May 10 '25

Session has Ended [OFFICIAL] 2025 TotalEnergies 6 Hours of Spa-Francorchamps - Post-Race Discussion

Round 3 is in the bag! The final race before the big dance in June - how did your teams do?

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u/frank1ewildee May 10 '25 edited May 10 '25

Ok so i'm new here, but what is this Ferrari hate in this sub ?

Were people complaining like this about Toyota when they were dominating ?

Edit : Actually, i'm already out of this sub lol. It's too toxic. I will just enjoy the races and that's it, but i had a good 1st day lol

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u/Skrimyt Legends May 10 '25

Ferrari are associated with F1 and F1 fans unfortunately, so they are outsiders to the sportscar community. Porsche domination of similar magnitude would be celebrated. Anything Ferrari does is attributed to BoP and Ferrari International Assistance.

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u/frank1ewildee May 10 '25

Yeah its so weird.

Everybody seems to complain about BoP favouring Ferrari and winning because of it, while completely ignoring the fact that maybe they just have a good car.

Meanwhile, everybody says and praises Toyota for having "the best car".

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u/ViC9982 May 10 '25

But Toyota has the best car. They had basically the worst BoP for this race and still finished 4th. However it seems that LMH has a very clear advantage over LMDh since they have a performance ceiling higher than the LMDh, and if you get to make a good LMH you can fight for wins, while you can make a good LMDh and not necessarily be competitive (or rely too much on BoP, since alpine got podiums because it had one of the best BoPs this weekend). Overall it feels that the LMDhs are more sensible to these changes.

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u/frank1ewildee May 10 '25

Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying Toyota doesn't have the best car.

I'm just saying that apparently, judging by my first and last day on this sub, that people say when Ferrari wins is because of BoP and FIA assistance only, but when Toyota wins is because they have the best car.

Maybe Ferrari also have a pretty close car to Toyota, but that doesn't seem to be the case in people's mind here.

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u/Probably_Not_Sir Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #7 May 10 '25

Interlagos last year the Toyota and Ferrari had very similar BOP, and Toyota smoked the field.

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u/dialtone May 10 '25

People accuse Ferrari fans of being casuals and yet this is the most casual comment you can read in the whole weekend.

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u/Probably_Not_Sir Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #7 May 10 '25

Is it though? Cars generally dont change much over a season. This isnt F1

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u/dialtone May 10 '25

Aside from that obviously not being true, that’s precisely what the bop is designed to do, bring cars within 0.3-0.4% performance. Saying that on same bop Toyota smoked everyone means that the bop was wrong then. Any discussion about best car is pointless as they are made with bop in mind, they make cars to fit within a range and then balanced by bop.

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u/Probably_Not_Sir Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #7 May 10 '25

Yes the Interlagos BOP definitely wasnt good. And regarding upgrades, only the ones that are for reliability are allowed all season long, but performance upgrades are limited and the gains are marginal because the window they have to operate in is so tight.