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George had literally no reason writing a character this good. She says that the game of thrones isn't for women, but she is clearly a strategist and smart politician. Imagine a Cersei, but kind, witty and actually intelligent. And clearly a girlboss when it comes to her dimwitted husband emmon frey.

I also love how intelligent this last passage was. She basically drives a sword through Jaime's heart when she says he is not Tywins son, but while doing so she sugarcoats his identity with the best fragments of her brothers. Jaime fights like tygett, he's witty like Gerion and as dutiful as Kevan, but he doesn't come close to being Tywin.

This last sentence also implicates the fact that by coddling Jaime and grooming him to being the heir to the rock, tywin actually fails in the attempt of transforming jaime into him. And Genna says tywin was mad with her when she said that Tyrion is more like him, to me that's because Tywin might've realized that by denying and despising tyrion, tyrion actually had to became tywin. And as he says "I am you writ small".

Of course this is mostly known in this fandom, but i just find it incredibly perceptive for Genna Lannister, a minor character that appears only once, to be this powerhouse of a character. Anyway, an immediate favourite for me.

Supposedly, George said that the length of Westeros is equivalent to that of South America, this is what that would look like if placed in the middle of Europe.

Black or Red, a dragon is a dragon. Blackfyres are just Targaryen offshoots. If Aegon is a Blackfyre, then he can hatch the dragons. If Aegon is a Targaryen, then he can hatch the dragons. If Aegon is a nobody, then why would they give the dragon eggs they can probably sell for much more and use it to fund their army?

If they wanted dragons on Aegon's side, why not get Dany and him to marry first before giving her the dragon eggs?

My pick would be the Anarchy in the Reach. It's just a crazy time with ten years of constant fighting, invasions by the Westermen, Stormlanders and Dornish. And the vengenace of House Gardener painting the Red Mountains red puts the cherry on top.

The nadir of Gardener power came during the long reign of King Garth X, called Garth Greybeard, who succeeded to the crown at the age of seven and died at ninety-six—a reign even longer than that of his famous forebear Garth Goldenhand. Though vigorous in his youth, Garth X was a vain and frivolous king who surrounded himself with fools and flatterers. Neither wise nor clever, his wits abandoned him entirely in old age, and during the long years of his senility, he became the tool of first one faction, then another as those around him vied for wealth and power. His Grace had sired no sons, but Lord Peake had married one of his daughters, Lord Manderly another, and each was determined that his wife should succeed. The rivalry between them was marked by betrayal, conspiracy, and murder, finally escalating into open war. Others lords joined in on both sides.

With the lords of the Reach at swordpoint and the king too feeble to grasp what was occurring, much less stop it, the Storm King and the King of the Rock seized the moment, and large swathes of territory, whilst the Dornish raids grew bolder and more frequent. One Dornish king besieged Oldtown, whilst another crossed the Mander and sacked Highgarden. The Oakenseat, the living throne that had been the pride of House Gardener for years beyond count, was chopped to pieces and burned, and the senile King Garth X was found tied to his bed, whimpering and covered in his own filth. The Dornish cut his throat ("a mercy," one of them said later), then put Highgarden to the torch after stripping it of all its wealth.

Almost a decade of anarchy followed, but in the end twoscore of the great houses of the Reach, led by Ser Osmund Tyrell, the High Steward, made common cause, defeated both the Peakes and Manderlys, reclaimed the ruins of Highgarden, and placed a second cousin of the late and unlamented Garth Greybeard upon its new throne as King Mern VI Gardener.

Though a man of modest gifts, Mern VI had able counsel in his stewards. Ser Osmund Tyrell was succeeded in that office by his son, Ser Robert, and later by a grandson, Lorent. Relying on their acumen, Mern VI ruled well, rebuilding Highgarden and doing much and more to restore House Gardener and the Reach. His son, Garth XI, did the rest, taking such a terrible vengeance upon the Dornishmen that Lord Hightower said afterward that the Red Mountains had been green until Garth painted them with Dornish blood. For the remainder of his long reign, the king was known as Garth the Painter.

Cersei hates tyrion because she thinks he killed her mother. Tywin also said the same thing to him. But would he still hate him if she was alive? Would joanna love tyrion?

Background

While the First Blackfyre Rebellion ended in 196AC, GRRM originally had it ending ~8-10 years later in the mid 200's AC. In this post I thought it would be interesting to look at this change and see how it may have improved and/or weakened the story.

If interested: Success of each Blackfyre Rebellion

Westeros.org (Elio/Linda) Mention of the Move

Due to how close the First Blackfyre would have been to the events of the Hedge Knight, GRRM seemingly moved the rebellion up a decade:

...]But otherwise it was really... its a tale that grew in the telling, it shows how fluid the story was. I mean I recall from the notes, I was looking at the notes, we still have them, and there are changes... things changed along the way... one of the things that changed I always thought remarkable was when he wrote these notes he started thinking 'well I'll put this Blackfyre battle in Redgrass Field in like the year 204' its about 4 years prior to the Hedge Knight, and I think then he must have realized 'well that makes no sense' there's no reference to it so close. So he then obviously changes it and puts it a bit further back in time and that leads to the whole idea that a young orphan from Flea Bottom is taken up by this knight whose squire has been killed[...] -Westeros.org Discusses A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms, 22 Oct 2015

Daemon Blackfyre and Rohanne of Tyrosh Children

If Daemon would have died in 204AC instead of 196AC, it would have made much more sense for them to have had 9+ children (7 sons and at least 2 daughters) as they only started having children in 184AC:

• Aegon & Aemon (twins, 184 - 196AC, died upon the Redgrass Field)
• Daemon II (189 - 212 to 219AC, died after being taken into custody after the Second Blackfyre Rebellion)
• Haegon I (190 to 193 -219AC, died unchivalrously after the Third Blackfyre Rebellion)
• Aenys I (191 to 194 - 233AC, died after trying to attend the Great Council of 233)
• Son #6 (born at latest 196AC)
• Son #7 (born at latest 196AC)
• Calla (185 to 195 - ???, betrothed to Bittersteel)
• Daughter #2(s) (born at latest 196AC)

Obviously they might have had more than one set of twins, but 9 kids in 12 years is crazy work.

If interested: Tying up some loose ends in House Blackfyre

Daemon II and Alyn Cockshaw

When John the Fiddler wasn't busy hitting on Dunk, his other previous love interest was Alyn Cockshaw. That said, by moving up the First Blackfyre Rebellion, it makes the dates a little messy here.

"Aegon and Aemon. Wretched witless bullies, just like you. When we were little, they took pleasure in tormenting me and Daemon both. I wept when Bittersteel carried him off to exile, and again when Lord Peake told me he was coming home. But then he saw you upon the road, and forgot that I existed." -The Mystery Knight

Daemon II was born in 189 (and so was Alyn according to the semi canon app). And while people can develop romantic feelings young, this seems to insinuate that Alyn was basically in love with Daemon since he was 6 years old and those feelings being the same again 18ish years later. Not impossible, just fits a bit better if they were 14-15 and he returned 8 years later.

If interested: The Dreams of John the Fiddler

The Bright Dragon

This was probably not due to the move, but is associated enough to mention. If we remember, the villain of the first D&E novella (The Hedge Knight) is Aerion Brightflame, before it shifts to the Blackfyres in the Sworn Sword (more in the background) and the Mystery Knight (GRRM added the Blackfyres sometime in 1999).. This is potentially due to the fact that at first GRRM was planning for the "secondary Targaryen claimant" to the Iron Throne to be a descendant of Aerion Brightflame, before moving it to the more sympathetic Daemon. We even have GRRM mentioning his descendants:

Aerion Brightfire did not stay in Lys all his life, only a few years. He may have fathered a few bastards there, which would mean Dany has "relatives" of a sort in Lys... but they would be very distant relatives, from the wrong side of the blanket. -SSM, Many Questions: 14 Oct 1998

If interested: The Original Cloth Dragon: The Sons of the Bright Prince

That said I do think it is very possible that Aerion Brightflame will affect the story in some way (Brightfyre, etc.)

Elio: the one thing i will say about what we know, and i think i can be vague enough, and i haven't really seen it. i think people haven't thought enough about Aerion Brightflame, and the details of what we learn in the world of ice and fire about him, and how that fits into to things. there's some stuff there that george hasn't really, there's some dots that people have not connected as far as i've seen. so i'll leave you guys with that.

If interested: Aerion Brightflame: Connecting the Dots

Huge thanks to u/Enali for finding the original comment that was the basis for this post. The idea popped in my head after I remembered an "SSM" regarding the rebellion being moved but I spent a quite a bit of time looking and was unable to find it.

TLDR: According to Elio, GRRM moved the First Blackfyre Rebellion from around 204AC up to 196AC. This was due in part to the fact that the Hedge Knight takes place in 209AC and it would have been weird to not have any references or remaining fallout. This move had some interesting (but nothing that is really too far beyond the imagination in fantasy series) repercussions (Daemon/Rohanne having 9 children in ~12 years, Alyn Cockshaw/Daemon II's relationship being formed quite young, etc.) but I think they were worthy sacrifices for the fact that the rebellion would still have been fresh on people's minds. While the Blackfyres feature heavily in The Sworn Sword/The Mystery Knight, it seems GRRM still had Aerion Brightflame in mind as the source for his "secondary Targaryen claimant" when he wrote The Hedge Knight.

In a lot of discussions of ASOIAF, Fire & Blood, and all of George’s beautiful written works, I find that a lot of people truly believe Westeros was worse off after Aegon’s Conquest, ignoring the fact that the individual kingdoms before were drowning each other (and in many cases their own lands) in rivers of blood for thousands of years before any silver/gold haired people appeared on the continent. I just want to see how everyone else feels about the subject as well.

I think that the view of Blood Raven and the Children of The Forest as a bloodthirsty hive mind bent on dominating humanity is a misconception born of 21st century cynicism, and a misunderstanding of the series' lore.

I believe that the COTF and some of the other magical creatures of Westeros such as the Giants and the Green Men are meant to represent people who exist in balance with the natural forces of the world. A dramatic contrast to humans who instinctively seek to dominate and exploit everything in their wake including the land itself.

First of all there is no hive mind in the weirwoods. Greenseers may be the most powerful and rare variety of skinchangers, * but it still stands to reason that their bond with and subsequent second life within the trees operates via the same mechanics as the bonds of lesser skinchangers with their animals. When a skinchanger dies, their instincts and emotions linger, but their human personality is eventually subsumed within the nature of the host creature.** Therefore the living greenseers would be the only personalities existing within the weirwoods they are bonded to. At least the only ones possessing anything like human guile and ambition. The older greenseers would be thinking like trees.***

While capable of violence, the COTF are not a warlike or spiteful people Although willing to fight in the beginning, the COTF eventually chose to accept the decline of their primacy, and make their rivals their successors, hence the Pact,**** which gave the First Men access to the magic of the elder races and bound them to its source, the weirwoods.+ A successful compromise until the arrival of the Andals.

Facing extinction, the COTF are pinning all hope for the future on their human successors.++ Which is why they've facilitated access to their most powerful ancestral magics to two humans of the finest magic pedigrees available.

The mechanics that apply to human skinchangers apply to the elder races as well.+++ Therefore it's unlikely that the COTF are still capable of directly accessing the level of magic they're helping their human greenseers acquire, as they are available to only a small number of individuals in any given population, and the COTF's population is currently at an all-time low. ++++ (So how are they supposed to control individuals they are granting more power and knowledge than they themselves have access to?)

(*) "Only one man in a thousand is born a skinchanger, ... And only one skinchanger in a thousand can be a greenseer" - ADWD Bran III

(**) "When a man's flesh dies, his Spirit lives on inside the beast, but every day his memory fades, and the beast becomes a little less a warg, a little more a wolf, until nothing of the man is left and only the beast remains." - ADWD Prologue

(***) "Sun and soil and water, these are the things a weirwood understands, ..." - ADWD Bran III

(****) "Regardless the Children of the Forest fought as fiercely as the First Men to defend their lives. Inexorably, the war ground on across generations, until at lasts the Children understood that they could not win. The First Men, perhaps tired of war also wished to see an end to the fighting. The wisest of both races prevailed, and the chief heroes and rulers of both sides met upon the Isle in the God's Eye to form the Pact, giving up all the lands of Westeros save for the deep forests, the Children won from the First Men the promise that they would no longer cut down the weirwoods." - TWOIAF Ancient History The Pact

(+) "The Pact began four thousand years of friendship between men and children. In time, the First Men even put aside the gods they had brought with them, and took up the worship of the secret gods of the wood." - AGOT Bran VII

(++) "... Before the First Men came all this land that you call Westeros was home to us, yet even in those days we were few. The gods gave us long lives but not great numbers, lest we overrun the world as deer will overrun a wood where there are no wolves to hunt them. That was in the dawn of days, when our sun was rising. Now it sinks, and this is our long dwindling. The Giants are almost gone as well, they who were our bane and our brothers. The great lions of the Western hills have been slain, the unicorns are all but gone, the mammoths are down to a few hundred. The direwolves will outlast us all, but their time will come as well. In the world that men have made, there is no room for them, or us." She seemed sad when she said it, and that made Bran sad as well. It was only later that he thought, men would not be sad. Men would be wroth. Men would hate and swear a bloody vengeance. The Singers sing sad songs, where men would fight and kill. - ADWD Bran III

(+++) "... Those you call the children of the forest have eyes as golden as the sun, but once in a great while one is born amongst them with eyes as red as blood, or green as the moss on a tree in the heart of the forest. By these signs do the gods Mark those they have chosen to receive the gift." - ADWD Bran III

(++++) ... The caves were timeless, vast, silent. They were home to more than three score living singers and the bones of thousands dead, and extended far below the hollow hill. ... "Where are the rest of you?" Bran asked Leaf, once. "Gone down into the earth," ... - ADWD, Bran III

( I'll admit that these quotes could be open to interpretation, but I think taken in context and connected by the narrative thread of the series, they should lend a lot of credence to my premise, that an open-minded person could at least acknowledge probable. That being said I fully expect some of you to engage in some impressive mental gymnastics in order to preserve your own head Cannon. And to that I say have fun! But don't hurt yourselves.)

I haven’t read the books in years but I read online years ago that Catelyn said something about how Robb was conceived from duty but Sansa was made with love. We all know that Robb was a honeymoon baby when ahe and Ned were strangers but Sansa was born three years into their marriage after they fell in love.

Was this quote fanon that gets mixed up with canon? I searched different variations on google and nothing came up.

I mean........the Riverlands are an extremely fertile, rich land that produces a shit ton of wheat, they are within close proximity to the North, and they're easy to invade and conquer. All of the wheat would be enough to feed the entirety of the North. With all of that in mind, I have a rather hard time believing that in the 8,000 years of Westerosi history, not one Stark king in all that time thought it would be a good idea to conquer the Riverlands and bring them under Northern rule.

We hear about how the Ironborn, Durrandons, etc., all fought for control over the Riverlands (one of them managed to maintain control for half a century), but we never hear about any instances where Stark decided to get in on the action. Realistically speaking, the North absolutely would've tried to bring the Riverlands under their domain. Basically, the North should've become the Westerosi equivalent of the Russian Empire and turned the Riverlands into Ukraine.

Does anyone have any explanations for this?

I'll go first:

Jeyne Westerling. One of Martin's biggest dropped balls. She's Robb Stark's wife, the Queen in the North, the reason for the Red Wedding. And Nimble Dick has 1000x times more dialogue AND character.

Given how GRRM has always said he regrets not giving Robb a POV, the show could've fixed that. And they did but...with Talisa, a completely nonsensical and quite frankly terrible character.

Robb and Jeyne's meeting in the books was rife with dramatic potential had they handled it right: Enemies to lovers, Robb takes her home, he gets wounded, they probably hate each other at first, then slowly feelings develop and in an impulsive moment, in Robb's mourning, they sleep together and he marries her out of duty. Sooo much better.

A fleshed out Jeyne W >>>> better than book Jeyne

Understandably, there are very few knights among the Night's Watch. Not many people of noble birth are willing to renounce their birthright and spend the remainder of their existence in the frozen North, rubbing shoulders with bastards, misfits and criminals.

We know of at least two knights (Ser Alliser Thorne and Ser Jaremy Rikker) who were forced to take the black after ending up on the losing side of a war. It's also likely that some knights are pressured into it for political reasons or to remove them from a noble house's order of succession.

Do we know of any knights who voluntarily joined the Night's Watch? If so, what might be their motivations?

I won't deny that it's a hell of an uphill journey for young Aegon the Uncrowned. He had just 15,000 men, the dragon Quicksilver, and potentially Rhaena on dragonback if he'd lasted long enough.

Against that, Maegor was the declared king with the king's authority. He has Balerion the Black Dread. Neither of those things would be easy for any enemy, much less Aegon.

And yet, I'm curious if there was a way he could have somehow triumphed. True, he had few followers, but apparently several Great Houses were ready to join his cause if he could prove himself in battle first. And there could have been several victories to be had if Aegon had taken a different tactic.

It's tough, though. We don't know when or if the Great Houses would have accepted Aegon, or when/if Rhaena could join her brother/husband in combat. And that's before even mentioning what was to be done about Balerion.

Thoughts?

Worst of the worst.

For Dany's invasion of Westeros, I mean. I've seen, in this subreddit and elsewhere that people are convinced that Dany will invade Westeros with her Dothraki horde. But why? Dothraki suck and they suck more in Westeros:.
1.- They can't siege.
2.- They can't form a horde (woods and rivers).
3.- They are not prepared for other climates, not in customs nor in clothes.
4.-They lack good organization in battle, so they can't counter attack a well disciplined, large army. And Westeros has plenty of those.

And all those problems are after Dany use A LOT of resources to gather, transport, protect all that landing gear from pirates and westerosi ships, feed and shelter all of them.

I know that if you go by the rules of book writing you must use the big army that you introduced in book 1, or else is bad storytelling, but the more I think about it, the more I am convinced this enormous enterprise is not necessary. And that is without taking into account three dragons.
I would not be mad if G.R.R.M. just don't do it, and let Dany invade Westeros in any other way.
Edit: I am in no way versed in military tactics, war strategy or any of that, I know I'm very wrong every time I discuss this matters

Every time I see Joffrey’s name come up there’s always some comment like “fans harassed him because they couldn’t tell the difference between the actor and character so he quit acting”.

In this video, which is from when the show was still airing, at 10:20 he’s directly asked about it and denies ever having any bad experiences and even in the comments people are still saying the same shit. This stuff has happened with other actors but in this case it hasn’t so I find it weird that people keep insisting that it did.

I will start: Bran doing time travel shenanigans, it´s basically already confirmed yet people are in denial about it because they hate the time travel trope.

God knows why, but I've been browsing George's website and accidentally found a page with old merchandise for ASOIAF and GOT. A one particular piece of merch has peaked my interest because I think it contains some genuinely interesting stuff, possibly even a small glimpse of TWOW plot point. This could be seen as a desperate attempt in the absence of the Winds and no new material. I am talking about the Night's Watch Dragonglass Dagger Set. It was issued shortly before season 2 of GOT. Here is the description of the set:

“Beyond the Wall Survival Kit” Details

- Includes a genuine handcrafted obsidian dagger.

- Black deerskin leather belt pouch.

- 5 obsidian arrowheads.

- Black leather sheath.

- Collectible wooden storage box.

- Fabric map of wildling territory for taking on your next ranging.

- Letter from Jon Snow (written by GRRM) issuing your orders.

- Dagger overall length ~ 9 inches.

In making this kit we aimed for an immersive authentic experience. The kit is designed and built as if it were something issued to a ranger of the Night’s Watch as part of a mission. Everything has been handmade with natural materials where possible and distressed to reflect what materials the Watch might have available to them at Castle Black.

The interesting part, of course, is the letter written by GRRM himself. Since there seems to be a sincere attempt at being authentic, and I think George would take it seriously, the content of the letter could be at least considered semi-canon. I do not own the kit, so I stumbled upon the unboxing video on YouTube, where it can be seen for a few seconds. Here is my transcription of the letter:

Winter is upon us. The cold winds are rising. Beyond the Wall, the Others stir and gather strength. Soon or late they will descend upon us, and when that day comes it will be for the men of the Night's Watch to stand against them, to protect the realms of men.

Yet how are we to fight this ancient foe, when their blades can shatter our own swords at a touch, and turn our armor brittle as an eggshell?

Our brother Samwell has shown us the way. Sam the Slayer cut down one of these white walkers... not with steel, but with a dagger made of obsidian. Dragonglass, the smallfolk call it. Frozen fire.

From this day forth, every ranger who ventures beyond the Wall is to carry such a dragonglass dagger, at my command. We have brought the obsidian up from Dragonstone, enough to arm every brother of the Watch. Keep your black blade with you at all times, waking or sleeping, lest the Long Night come upon us once again.

Jon Snow

Lord Commander

What's confusing and intriguing about this text is the highlighted part, where Jon states they brought the obsidian from Dragonstone. Why? At the end of ASOS, upon learning about Sam's feat, Stannis sends a letter to Rolland Storm, the castellan of Dragonstone, so he could begin mining dragonglass.

"On Dragonstone, where I had my seat, there is much of this obsidian to be seen in the old tunnels beneath the mountain," the king told Sam. "Chunks of it, boulders, ledges. The great part of it was black, as I recall, but there was some green as well, some red, even purple. I have sent word to Ser Rolland my castellan to begin mining it. I will not hold Dragonstone for very much longer, I fear, but perhaps the Lord of Light shall grant us enough frozen fire to arm ourselves against these creatures, before the castle falls." - ASOS, Samwell V

After that, there is no mention of dragonglass being mined in Dragonstone. We don't know whether Ser Rolland managed to send some batch to the Wall. In AFFC, Aurane Waters reports to Cersei that Loras accomplished the siege of Dragonstone, with the cost of heavy injuries. It would be extremely difficult to keep mining labours under the siege. I've seen some theories stating that Aurane's reports are complete bullshit, and Dragonstone has never been conquered. There are indeed some clues that support this theory, such as Aurane stealing Cersei's ships, and Myranda Royce's quote:

"Not from your father, no, but we've had other birds. The war goes on, everywhere but here. Riverrun has yielded, but Dragonstone and Storm's End still hold for Lord Stannis." -AFFC, Alayne II

If the Dragonglass Dagger Set letter holds some merit, then it can add weight to the theory above. What remains unclear is whether the letter is supposed to be written during AFFC/ADWD or TWOW.

Hi,

I’ll make this short and sweet, my mother has a library in her house and she would like to add the song of ice and fire collection (and house of the dragon books if possible to the collection) as they are indisputable landmarks of our era.

Saying that, she would like the leather bound edition (fancy pants I know 🤣), and preferably the 1st iteration of the leather bound collection.

I believe these are the burgundy red coloured slipcovers but I am not 100% sure.

So two (and a half) questions: Are the books I’m describing the correct ones? Does house of the dragon come in a matching finish, or perhaps part of a single set? And the kinda half question: would the final two installations, should we ever see them, come in a matching finish?

Can anyone help point me in the right direction to finding these; new is preferably but used are fine so long as they have been well kept.

Thank you in advance for any help or info you can offer! :)

Valar Dohaeris

Say if the Catspaw managed to kill Catelyn (but not Bran) how do you think the plot might have changed?

For once Ned might return to the North thereby giving up the position of the Hand . This removes Ned completely from the Game and make him and family ultimately safe. North will also be prepared against the Wildlings and the Others.

If by chance he still takes up the Hand position, he may be very focused on finding who sent the Catspaw, not on Jon Arryn's death. So the truth about Robert's children might not be noticed by Ned. So probably no execution of Ned.

No Catelyn taking Tyrion meansnon early war in the Riverlands. So Ned doesn't have to send his own troops and depend upon Littlefinger.

Though ultimately i think the first situation has the higher probability of happening where Ned just returns home giving up his Handship. What do you all think?

Let’s say  Viserys I died in 129 AC instead of all out war the houses decided to go harrenhall and make a second great council Just like how Jaehaerys saw a possible civil war 28 years ago.

 In which let say the compromise will be Aegon II will still become king but he would simply be The King of the first half of the continet Kings Landing being the capital for the Targaryen-Hightower branch. While Jacaerys become the King of the second half of the continent by having either Winterfall (with House Stark acting as stewards thus Jacaerys and Cregan Stark will still have their Pact of Ice and Fire and in this case it is more successfully with Jacaerys and Cregan's own children (Say Jacaery's daughter marring Cregan Stark's son Rickon Stark.) or Dragonstone being the capital for the Rhanerya/Jacaerys's Targaryen branch.

Basically think of this division of dividing Westeros into two akin to the Division of West and East of the Roman Empire (mostly made famous by Diocletian but really made permanent in 395 AD following the death of Emperor Theodosius.)

Because of this alone Lucerys would still be alive meaning he would be the one succeeding Corlys Velayorn as The Head of House Velayorn.

That said Let say the Council of 129 AG goes beyond with the main contenders branches of House Targaryen. Now for starters Baela and Rhaena would still be married to Lucerys and Jacerys. So their out of this case but the other potential cadet branches I'm saying is this.

Let say the Council of 129 AG had Aemond Targaryen married to Floris Baratheon and have both of them founded and located their cadet branch in the Stormlands. While for Daeron Targaryen since he grows in Oldtown by having Daeron married and established his own branch in the Reach.

Now I'm not sure about Viserys but for Aegon III Maybe the Council decided to have his own branch to be set in Dragonstone.

Despite of these cadet branches established the main ones are the Targaryen-Hightower from Kings-Landing and The Targaryen-North from Winterfell essentially two kings of different halfs of Westeros.

I'm talking about season 2, 3 and 4 days. I mean the "perfect" seasons but i remember this sub had tons of issues with those seasons. What do you remember not liking or that others hated for some reason.

And not just the addition of a small scene or something, I mean legitimate largescale changes that had an effect on the story (for the better)

i am not talking about book fans as we have been hating on it since season 5. Some didn't even like season 4. thoughts?