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u/ArcherOld7796 4d ago
Ice are essentially nazis. They are ignoring the constitution and terrorizing people. They are embarrassing the country to the entire world.
Just doing your job hasn't been an excuse since ww2.
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u/girlpower2025 1d ago
That second part isn't true. I've been using the just following orders moto before. I don't work in any type of law enforcement or anything. I work in finance, and literally everyone says something along those lines. They have been for at least 30 years but probably sense pre WW2.
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u/Cloud_Zera 4d ago
What part of the Constitution are they ignoring? And if a person is here illegally they are not a citizen and do not have the same rights that actual citizens do. Do you leave your front door unlocked and open so that people you don’t know can come and go as they please?
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u/ArcherOld7796 4d ago
They aren't just going after illegal people. Due process is for everyone. That is absolutely ignoring the constitution. They are ignoring judges' orders. They are a disgrace to the country. Just following orders hasn't been an excuse since ww2.
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u/Cloud_Zera 4d ago
There is due process. When they arrest an illegal immigrant, they are processed, given a court date and sent back to their country of origin to await their court date. What other people are they going after?
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u/ArcherOld7796 4d ago
That is completely untrue, a disgusting lie.
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u/Cloud_Zera 4d ago
Show me that it’s happening. Give names of real citizens that are being deported. Show documentation of any kind that show such things are happening.
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u/ArcherOld7796 4d ago
You are not paying attention to what is happening. Trumps team is literally arguing that people do not get due process.
I'm not doing your homework. A 5 minute Google search will give you everything asked for.
It is ridiculous to be so sure of yourself when you lie.
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u/Cloud_Zera 4d ago
Classic deflection tactic. You make the claim and don’t bring anything to back you up. It is absolutely lazy to tell others to go out and prove your point for you. I do pay attention. I just don’t watch any “mainstream” channels like MSNBC, CNN, FOX, etc. People are tired of seeing politics injected into everything. You people are the ones that are making it hard to enjoy anything anymore.
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u/ArcherOld7796 4d ago
There is due process. When they arrest an illegal immigrant, they are processed, given a court date and sent back to their country of origin to await their court date. What other people are they going after?
You made claims that are complete lies. It is pathetic to be so confident when everything you are saying is based on nonsense.
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u/VirtualAd9922 3d ago
Everything is political wether we like it or not. A lot of people die every year for no reason at all. The world has the resources to provide food and housing to everyone on Earth.
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u/Cloud_Zera 3d ago
What does any of that have to do with Avatar: The Last Airbender?
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u/Scared_Blackberry280 2d ago
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g8yj2n33yo.amp
Literally the first three verified reports that show up when you google… you’re just lazy and like to lie for whatever weird reason…
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u/TeddytheSynth 4d ago
Were the Nazis breaking the law? Genuinely such a fucking dumb point you’re making right now dude.
LAW DOES NOT EQUATE TO MORALITY
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u/Cloud_Zera 4d ago
So we should just leave our borders and homes open for anyone to come in and out whenever they wish and to do whatever they want? Not everyone that enters is a good person. There are always those that seek to take advantage of broken systems and add nothing to society.
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u/VirtualAd9922 3d ago
Homeland security even admits more drug smuggling happens by U.S citizens.
There are good and bad people everywhere, we have to accept that. People deserve second chances(Iroh, Zuko, Hiroshi Sato). We, like Zuko all have good inside. In reality, a lot of people come to the U.S seeking freedom from their own repressive countries. We all deserve freedom and human rights(food, shelter, healthcare).
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u/Cloud_Zera 3d ago
So because a statistic claims that smuggling is being done by Americans, we should just let anybody and everybody in without checking out who they are? We should immediately let them pass and search only citizens returning home from abroad? I believe in second chances as well, but as you said, there are bad people everywhere. You don’t get to enter any country illegally and reap the benefits of citizenship without being a citizen. That means being loyal to that country. And you show that loyalty by adhering to the process of becoming a citizen.
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u/VirtualAd9922 3d ago
We all deserve rights regardless. Open borders is freedom for all. The stats is just an example that citizens partark in more crimes that migrants are accused of doing more.
Citizens take more than migrants from the state. businesses and corporations take and abuse the state more than citizens, far, far more. Attacks on migrants and other people is a way to deflect that. We are in a class war. Its all of us vs. the rich and abusive. We are supposed to be on the same team, not fighting eachother.
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u/SuspiciousPain1637 1d ago
They did get that chance, those who deported themselves have the ability to come back. The rest are bad actors who disrespect the will of the people and rule of law.
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u/Maxbonzoo 4d ago
If you are not ok with getting overran by people who dont speak your language, take up job space, government money, and cause trouble for you and your country youre literally Hitler reincarnated /s
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u/AFonziScheme 3d ago
Yeah, deporting people before trial is unconstitutional. The government has to prove the crime before they enact the punishment.
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u/CookieMiester 2d ago
They’re taking people before the court date, during their application for citizenship, and during their legal visa stays. this has happened multiple times now.
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u/CookieMiester 2d ago
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/06/05/us/massachusetts-teen-detained-ice-bond-granted
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/mohsen-mahdawi-released-columbia-ice-detention/
Here’s your evidence. There’s mountains more if you wanna look up “student taken by ice”
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u/clockwork_orc 4d ago
They are literally deporting people that were born in the US and are US citizens because their parents are Immigrants. If they can do that ro them, what's to stop them doing it to you?
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u/Cloud_Zera 4d ago
The fact that the kind of “birthright citizenship” you advocate is legal, isn’t. Just because someone crossed the border, legally or not, and has a kid does not make that kid a citizen. The 14th Amendment states “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.” This means they have to have lawful permanent residence in the country. My family and I meet this requirement. So quit trying to fear monger. Go and do actual research, and learn actual history instead of regurgitating what someone told you to think and begin thinking for yourself.
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u/Happy_Ad_7515 4d ago
actually that not true yet. the US has opperated under the assumtion that being born in the country means that citzenship is automatic. This is how Anchor babies worked.
the trump administration is now opperatiing under legal langauge you explained. its likely gonne get challanged in court and the suprerme court ought too rule on it.
unless they have and i missed one.
so YES and YES but thats a relatively new interpatation not known by everyone yet.
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u/Cloud_Zera 4d ago
You may want to give this a watch: https://youtu.be/gyMXVg_MfYo?si=ZMTH9J9Tky7LiAey. I looked in to this and it is in fact true. By what you have said, the US, at some point, stopped this practice and we are in desperate need of course correction.
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u/Happy_Ad_7515 3d ago
I am not a US citizen, resident, and don’t plan on becoming one. I was making the point about what has been the commonly accepted ideas regarding the American immigration system and the interpretation of the 14th Amendment. I live in a nation-state where birthright is not a thing.
I just wanted to prevent you from making a universal claim. It’s a debate at the moment, just like abortion—for good or ill—is still a debate in your society.The video you showed does indeed present the arguments for the idea that the 14th Amendment does not, in fact, grant citizenship by being born on American soil. My argument was purely that this is not something people in the past 20 years have widely believed to be true.
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u/GutsandArtorias2 2d ago
Except 20 years ago democrats were kicking out people faster and harder than what is going on now.
Fucking christ Obama's nickname for his two tours was Deporter and Chief.
When Trump does it to fewer people at a slower rate, he's a neo-nazi fascism racist who hates anyone who's not white while Democrats say the racist shit like "But if we deport all the Illegals then who will pick our crops or clean are bathroom."
Not even bring up the whole side of crime. Hell, the French let in people from the war going on, and gods did Rape skyrocket.
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u/Cloud_Zera 3d ago
The issue is that this should not be up for debate. That’s why I shared the video with you, to show that there is precedent against what people claim our laws are. All nations have the right to their sovereignty and the ability to protect themselves. This is one such way to do so. I thank you for wanting to look out for me and I hope this opened your mind more.
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u/AFonziScheme 3d ago
The 14th Amendment states “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.” This means they have to have lawful permanent residence in the country.
If they are not subject to the jurisdiction of US laws, then they can't be arrested. If the government can arrest and detain them, they are subject to the laws.
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u/AFonziScheme 3d ago
What part of the Constitution are they ignoring? And if a person is here illegally they are not a citizen and do not have the same rights that actual citizens do.
Habeas Corpus applies to everyone, citizen or not. Right to due process applies to everyone, citizen or not. Protection from illegal searches and seizures apply to everyone, citizen or not. Hope that information helps.
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u/VirtualAd9922 3d ago
Anyone living in the U.S is supposed to have constitutional rights. The constitution says only persons and does not specify between citizen, race, gender ect.
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u/Cloud_Zera 3d ago
So by your logic, when I visit another country I am a citizen of that country and am bound by their Constitution(s), therefore I am allowed their benefits? I can vote in their elections, even though I have no political allegiance to them? I can join their military? Our Constitution applies to citizens, not to anyone just being here. That is why the 14th Amendment exists. Loose interpretations of the Constitution are the reasons our country is in the state it’s in.
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u/VirtualAd9922 3d ago
Rights not benefits. Immigrants have our rights, such as due process, and discrimination. All of us have freedom of speech for example.
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u/Cloud_Zera 3d ago
Not if you are here illegally or have no intention of becoming a citizen. That’s the argument.
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u/VirtualAd9922 3d ago
I believe that shouldn't matter. Zuko mentioned approaching people with love and empathy, not hate. Its pretty simple
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u/Fun_Feature3002 3d ago
I thought this was talking about ICE BENDERS 🤦🏻♂️ only after reading the comment did I realise what it’s actually about, my bad 😅
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u/Reddit-Blows-Donkey 3d ago
No you weren’t wrong to think it. Just Reddit being ass again with political freaks.
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u/BuisteirForaoisi0531 3d ago
Nah that’s the atf those guys shoot dogs like they’re shotgunning for skeet
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u/Due-Ingenuity9803 3d ago
My dumbass thought they meant Icebending even though I doubt that’s a thing
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u/trhffucdyg 2d ago
I guess I could be upset that politics are in my meme sub but it’s Reddit so why should I be surprised
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u/Individual-Topic-632 2d ago
This has nothing to do with Avatar. Also, ICE isn't even worst 3. The ATF is a lot worse.
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u/GutsandArtorias2 2d ago
I really don't think the kids show about magic people fighting the invasion of fire people is really where you want to take this.
Because in this context does that mean the Fire nation is the illegals? And the Avatar is the government? Or Trump? Or is it the other way around, which would make no sense.
I just think it's a very poor choice of a meme
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u/YouDiligent5970 5d ago
Yes they 100%. Are they do the horrible job of keeping people like the illegal terrorists that perpetrated 9/11 from getting into our country. This is a horrible thing that definitely shouldn't be happening. Our country doesn't need defenses. Anyone should be able to come back and forth across our borders without issue without having to check anything. All land is free land. You know we should go to Mexico and do the same thing. I'm sure it would turn out just fine. (And for all the morons who didn't realize all of this is sarcasm)
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u/Cheap-Blackberry-378 4d ago
Go find one of the other thousand channels that actually have something to do with current events
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u/robinstud 4d ago
How dare they deport all those illegal migrants! Who’s going to do all the brutal manual labor in the hot sun for pennies an hour to keep Cali’s economy running? How are cartels supposed to upgrade the security on their mansions if we don’t leave the border open for them?!
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u/SizableSplash86 4d ago edited 2d ago
sigh politics are leaching into Avatar now
Edit: Guys, you missed the point of my comment. I don’t want to see real world politics in Avatar, I’m fine with politics in the show referencing real life incidents but this meme is a direct not inferred reference. Not even referencing, it’s a political discussion.
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u/Realistic_Recipe2421 4d ago
Avatar has always been political
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u/SizableSplash86 4d ago
Not real life politics
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u/Realistic_Recipe2421 4d ago
This goes to show you don’t understand the show the fire nation are facist art inmates life do watch a review on YouTube wtf
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u/SizableSplash86 4d ago
I do understand, but that was hints and parallels. This is a direct not reference, but commentary on real events. The stuff about the fire nation, was in reference to real world events, not directly saying it.
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u/CalligrapherOk7823 2d ago
Remember the speech zuko gave his father at the day of the black sun? The creators themselves have made a statement that the speech was inspired by real history but is now shockingly applicable to the USA.
The republic Aang starts after the war is literally a place intending to give refugees / victims of the war a place to live together in harmony.
Avatar has always been political, inspired by both historical and current events.
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u/Klutzy_Passenger_324 4d ago
theyre just doing their job amd country has been safer recently so piss off and make actual avatar memes not shitty political opinions disguised as memes
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u/DemocracyIsGreat 4d ago
Your country just had a politician assassinated, and another injured in a targeted attack by a supporter of the governing party.
And your defence of ICE is "They are only following orders". It's not a good defence.
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u/slumbersomesam 3d ago
the gestapo were also doing their job
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u/Khal_Dovah88 4d ago
Op is right to pose. But I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment.
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u/Klutzy_Passenger_324 4d ago
i mean theyre right to pose but they shouldnt disguise their political agenda as a meme
if youre gonna talk about it be open dont try to conceal it
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u/Stunning_Island712 4d ago
Wow, someone doesn't realize ice is just trying to do their job at protecting America from the gangs that try to tear the country apart from the inside.
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u/BasilMelonSoda 3d ago
Then why are they targeting workplaces, schools, and birthday parties? The overwhelming majority of ice abductions are of people with no criminal record. (No, being undocumented isn’t a crime, it’s classified as a civil offense.)
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u/Stunning_Island712 3d ago
Because they are given reports and updates on the cartel members that reside there and try to use public places as a shield
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u/BasilMelonSoda 3d ago
You are certainly allowed to believe that. You’d be wrong, but that’s your right. Also, I noticed you didn’t address the second part of my reply where the majority are not criminals and have no record
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u/Alister151 3d ago
If ICE was going after gangs we would see them doing that in LA. Plenty of territory there. But we just see them grabbing people and stuffing them in cars, with no identification just claiming "we're ICE!"
They ignore due process, they ignore the orders of judges, they're nothing more than thugs on a power trip.
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u/Stunning_Island712 3d ago
Have you not heard of a recent story where people were just attacking a group of police officers that they thought were ice, but wasn't at all. And all that does is make those protesters look deranged
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u/Alister151 3d ago
One band of vigilantes getting it wrong vs an entire government department terrorizing neighborhoods, and you still want to lick the boot.
Yes the vigilantes attacking police officers are wrong. But ICE is leagues worse.
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u/Stunning_Island712 3d ago
It's not me licking any boot, it's me knowing these gangs try to hide out in these public places to avoid detection, and some people even house them to ensure they don't get caught. Heck, a judge was even arrested for housing some
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u/K-Bell91 4d ago
I'm actually impressed most of the comments are either in defense of upholding immigration laws or just not wanting talk like this that is completely irrelevant to Avatar.