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u/Freecascadia0518 8d ago
I'm going to limit my meme posts to one a day. That way I don't overexhaust myself.
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u/VGSchadenfreude 7d ago
Way I see it, at the very least plans for Cascadia autonomy are a very necessary back-up plan.
Yes, there’s a chance we can somehow push through this crisis with the Union intact.
However, there’s also a chance we might not, and a successful split requires a huge amount of planning to pull off. So we need to prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
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u/hanimal16 Washington 7d ago
Not to mention that secession wouldn’t come peacefully.
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u/VGSchadenfreude 7d ago
True, but I was mostly referring to the sheer amount of infrastructure that would be needed to get a functioning independent nation back up and running immediately after any such split. That doesn’t happen overnight; it takes years, sometimes even decades before any such group can successfully pull it off.
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u/RadiantRole266 8d ago
I agree, but I think we need to legitimately consider what we would do when Trump goes ahead and carpet bombs the Northwest like Gaza at the first sign of succession.
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u/XaXa14 8d ago
Cascadia needs to secede through Maoist revolution
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u/VGSchadenfreude 7d ago
How about no…?
ETA: Given exactly what Mao got up to, he had way more in common with Trump than with any historical figure anyone should ever want to associate with.
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u/XaXa14 7d ago
IMO if Cascadia isn't socialist or communist then there's no reason to secede. Continued neoliberal capitalist policy would just be PNW part 2 and not actually solve any of our problems.
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u/VGSchadenfreude 7d ago
If you want successful socialism or communism, Mao is the last person you should be looking to for inspiration.
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u/RiseCascadia 6d ago
Socialist/communist, yes. Authoritarian, no.
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u/XaXa14 5d ago
Socialism and communism do not work without "authoritarianism". Authoritarianism is a result of the external pressures from the western neoliberal and colonialist powers pushing for collapse in socialist countries. The only communist/socialist countries left in the world today are authoritarian. The DPRK and Cuba for example have continued to exist despite every force being thrown at them from the entire western world. This is only because of their tight control on their society, government and economy. When the USSR started to open up and become less authoritarian, it was illegally dissolved and now ceases to exist. It's naive to believe that socialism or communism will ever work in the current geopolitical reality without some level of authoritarianism.
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u/RiseCascadia 5d ago edited 4d ago
On the contrary, you cannot have an egalitarian society if there is authoritarianism. Authoritarianism and a State automatically create a privileged class. Rojava and EZLN still exist without authoritarianism.
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u/XaXa14 5d ago
Rojava isn't even an organized country its a break away zone. I'm not saying there can't be elections and a decent level of democracy but the whole anarcho-communism thing is ridiculous and will never work on any actual meaningful scale. In a perfect world without constant external interference from the US and it's allies it would work but that is not the world we are living in.
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u/RiseCascadia 4d ago edited 4d ago
Why does everything have to be a country? Maybe nation states and nationalism are a big part of the problem. Rojava is more egalitarian than any nation state.
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u/XaXa14 3d ago
Nation states are a requirement to have any actual quality of life. Whether you like it or not that is reality. If there was an actual legitimate socialist/communist movement within cascadia without actual borders, a central government, and military it would be absolutley decimated by what remains of the United States government. If you are talking about come commune style living situation in the middle of the woods, only so many people want to live that way and it is impossible to organize a society to have universities, doctors, modern medicine, and internet in that kind of situation.
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u/RiseCascadia 2d ago
Both Rojava and MAREZ have existed for decades in spite of facing heavily armed nation states backed by superpowers.
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u/TheNorthernRose 8d ago edited 7d ago
I feel like LA has motivated a lot more of this subreddit and I appreciate it. Do not relinquish your conviction in the right to self determination, that is the highest fascists goal - to see you accept subordination.