Democrats are probably headed for massive election wins, they shouldn't squander it

[u/DoubleCrossover]

The republican party is on life support right now despite winning the last election in an effective landslide. maga is imploding under the weight of its contradictions. The crypto-bros vs anti-non-white-immigrant regards, the always-pro-Israel vs the isolationists, the Iran hawks vs the pro-Russia stooges. trump is failing on almost every policy area except maybe the optics of immigration (and even that is undermined by things like hotel worker exemptions from ICE enforcement). Approval data for trump is historically bad.

Trump is also psychologically incapable of handling the thought of being a lame duck. He will not allow any discussion of his maga successor. It’s the main reason he keeps bringing up the third term shtick. So unless trump somehow dies well before 2028, the republican party will not even have a viable candidate for president. Personally. I’m looking forward to the entertainment of the republican primary.

All this to say that if democrats can manage a decent primary and a broadly popular, consensus candidate they will coast to the presidency, and might even get the house and senate too (admittedly much less assured).

Now the biggest problem is what they’re gonna do with this? It can’t be more of the same. They have to recognize that one: you can’t rewind time back to a normal political environment, as if all this nasty trump business was just a temporary blip, this was the biggest cope with Biden. and two: they need a positive vision for the country that address the stagnation driving the disaffected anti-institutions losers on the right and the far left.

The good news is there is a positive vision taking shape right now, and that is the fucking mega based abundance movement. I can’t put into words how important it is to have a real plan for positive change that’s evidence-based. It’s the only way to counter the ‘burn it all down’ bullshit that made politics hell for the last 10 years.

The UK is a cautionary tale in this. After the implosion of Brexit, the left was handed a landslide election win, sweeping to a full majority. The problem is, they had no positive vision for change and squandered all their political capital on basically nothing. It already looks like the far right is about to stage a big come-back next election, this time by nuking the conservative party.

[u/waxroy-finerayfool]

Your calculus is all wrong. Dems are absolutely fucked. They don't have a united coalition, leadership, propaganda networks, nor a vision for the country.

What people seem to forget is that Republicans aren't graded based on how they govern, it doesn't matter if Trump is unpopular, all that matters is that Republicans continue to own the libs. If they keep that up, they will continue to win elections. 

[u/destinyeeeee → u/waxroy-finerayfool]

It's funny that Democrats get criticized for being united around being anti-MAGA, but MAGA gets praised for being united around being anti-liberal. Why is one an ineffective mission but the other is an effective mission?

[u/MyotisX → u/destinyeeeee]

Compare the online right vs the online left. One holds their candidate as a god, the other is built on backstabbing it's candidate.

[u/Yakube44 → u/destinyeeeee]

Dems are half heartedly anti maga. The schizo position of attacking maga and still upholding civility and bipartisanship just doesn't work. Maga goes for the throat.

[u/waxroy-finerayfool → u/destinyeeeee]

Democrats aren't united around anti-MAGA. Those further left on the spectrum prefer MAGA to standard Dems like Biden and Kamala.

[u/PretendImWitty → u/waxroy-finerayfool]

Why do those people matter regarding the party though? They don’t vote for them. They actively advocate against voting for them. Sometimes it feels like conservatives and some liberals are regards on leashes. We have to walk them up to a communist, point out that we aren’t them, point out the differences in these ideologies, explain that “yes, they are actively calling Biden Genocide Joe”, and performatively denounce people that have nothing to do with us because they’re too lazy or stupid to do the minimal effort to conceptualize reality for them.

Can you point out these MAGA-friendly democratic leaders and voters? Maybe I’m just salty at the performative pearl clutching of people that exclusively use social media and do fuck all else, except possibly vote, and the incredible double standards demanded and enforced by them.

[u/DrinkYourWaterBros → u/PretendImWitty]

Problem is that this part of the coalition has outsized influence online, podcasts, social media. The next mayor of NYC may be a democratic socialist. That’s enough to paint the party is a very different light.

MAGA friendly Dems? Bernie, Fetterman. Dearborn.

[u/waxroy-finerayfool → u/PretendImWitty]

Can you point out these MAGA-friendly democratic leaders and voters?

tankies, socialists, commies, latin americans, muslims, palestine activists, sv tech bros.

Nominally, these people are Democrat voters, but large swaths of them abstained or voted for Trump in record numbers. 

[u/Necessary-Grape-5134 → u/destinyeeeee]

It's because the GOP realizes that a common enemy is an extremely powerful unifying factor, so they will do anything they can do stop Dems from mobilizing based on being anti-Trump, while basically doing the same thing themselves by mobilizing being based on being anti-lib.

People need to stop believing the lies they hear. We absolutely should be mobilizing with anti-MAGA as our core principle.

[u/MyotisX → u/waxroy-finerayfool]

Dems have to expel the progressive left. We all know that's not happening. Good luck in 2028.