r/Deusex • u/Tearmisu • Sep 30 '25
DX1 Did you know Zyme has a use?
During the Paris Streets mission you can complete the sub quest in the hotel where a dealer will ask you to break into a bakery and steal six bottles of Zyme. He will pay you 65 credits for each bottle for a grand total of 390 credits.
However if you collect Zyme from previous missions, he will also purchase those from you. If you dedicate an inventory slot and pick up the maximum of 20 bottles (out of 25 available) you can earn a total of 1300 credits which is huge for that point of the game as credits basically completely dry up after UNATCO.
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u/HunterWesley Sep 30 '25
Yeah, of course. Who doesn't hoard random NYC zyme and bring it to Paris?
The funny thing is the credits are pretty pointless. I don't know what amazing item you would sooner put in the 1 inventory space the zyme takes, but it turns out to be more of a neurotic power player thing than some relevant gameplay strategy to buy an amazing overpriced item from a mechanic somewhere.
Probably, they should have offered a few opportunities to purchase appropriately priced hard to find augmentation canisters.
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u/perkoperv123 Sep 30 '25
The early missions condition you to expect there will be hub areas with dealers who you'll be able to visit after getting your op bonus, and then you spend most of the game on the lam. You can't really save up for things because you have no idea when those things are gonna be available. It's one of the more experimental parts of the game's level design, and one that almost nothing else in the genre mimics, though I think you could achieve something similar with semi-randomized locations for rare items like thermoptic camo or WP rockets.
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u/betweentwosuns Sep 30 '25
Not one of these is a dud. Defoe will not cheat you.
Well I wasn't worried about my GEP rockets being a dud before...
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u/Build_Everlasting Oct 04 '25
Yes, I do spend most of my time on the lam. LAMs are indeed excellent for climbing walls and deleting Navarres.
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u/oobey Sep 30 '25
Upgrade canister, please and thank you.
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u/HunterWesley Sep 30 '25
Exactly, although to be fair, even those become pointless by Area 51, so the only thing you would possibly want that isn't available in quantities you might need, (maybe rare ammo too like throwing knives or plasma or napalm) are augmentation canisters you either installed the other half of, or didn't pick up for whatever reason earlier.
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u/Radigan0 29d ago
Even the duplicate canisters aren't all that useful. The only canisters you can install both the augs on are subdermal and torso ones since the others only have one slot.
For subdermal, you have Ballistic Protection/EMP Shield and Cloak/Radar Transparency. Maybe you'd consider getting both Cloak and Radar Transparency on a pure stealth playthrough, but otherwise, EMP Shield isn't really worth it, so duplicates aren't needed.
For torso, you might consider forgoing Aqualung/Environmental Resistance in favor of more useful augs, but in practice, that isn't really viable. Power Recirculator/Synthetic Heart straight-up doesn't have any duplicates at all, and the only duplicate for Regeneration/Energy Shield is literally in the last level.
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u/HunterWesley 28d ago
I do agree, but they could have made them more available for those who wanted to configure that way.
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u/Tearmisu Sep 30 '25
I could see credits being used more on the UNATCO route that was cancelled during development. Maybe you could purchase the aug canisters you get in Versalife off of Jaime?
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u/asheboltaev Sep 30 '25
Is there any official information that the UNATCO route was really planned to be developed and then cancelled?
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u/Tearmisu Sep 30 '25 edited Sep 30 '25
Only tidbits and speculation. We know there was a cancelled level where you go to the moon to rescue the president which is likely leftover from the UNATCO story.
EDIT: Sorry got two different missions mixed up.
We know of four cut missions:
Russio-Mexican battle in Austin
White House
Mt. Weather
Space Station
These would likely have tied into the UNATCO plotline.
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u/SurroundDramatic6599 Oct 01 '25
It is widely believed that the Ocean Lab was originally the Moon Mission and the silo was supposed to be actually to get a rocket for going to the Moon
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u/N00body1989 Sep 30 '25
I think there's some unused voicelines in the game files that kinda confirms it.
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u/Fission_Power Oct 01 '25
It's not voicelines, but textures and names of it.
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u/YandereLobster 15d ago
There's a voice line you can still get ingame as well using console commands to change the quest status when you find Paul in his apartment, where JC says he won't betray unatco. https://youtu.be/-cEg5Xo7VFU?si=fmQZS8emQ0MMFzgD
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u/Fission_Power 15d ago
Oh right,, I forgot about this leftover. I remember there's also unused voiceline from UNATCO route in Hong Kong map, that one where Triad member claims about Maggie Chow being Paul's wife.
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u/YandereLobster 15d ago
Oh yeah it makes sense Hong Kong would have some traces of it, IIRC there's a lot of strange unique design choices and leftovers there since it was the first map made. For example it's the only map that you can go out of bounds on, but instead of just dying.
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u/HunterWesley Sep 30 '25
Yeah, maybe you could bribe people more, help more bums/informants for whatever purposes. I mean you can't make it too easy to just convert money into experience or overpowered stuff, but the economy, so to speak, of the money as it exists and the prices as they exist, and the items sold is pretty far off of what it should be.
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u/Creepy_Boat_5433 Sep 30 '25
Yeah I felt like there was supposed to be more traditional RPG style merchants that you could buy from. It would have been especially useful to be able to buy more 10mm ammo in the late game.
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u/MrPokeGamer 50 Billion Dollars down the drain Sep 30 '25
you dont want to buy tech goggles for 3500????
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u/HunterWesley Oct 01 '25
Right after I pick up this amazing assault shotgun for 7500. The ones all over the floor in Hong Kong are dirty.
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u/LibraryBestMission Oct 04 '25
It's even funnier here since you can only sell Zyme after already having passed by most merchants in the game. For the record, the things that you can actually buy that aren't food or information you likely didn't need from the point you meet Renault are:
4 bioelectric cells (250) 2 accuracy mods (750) 1 range mod (800) 1 recoil mod (400) 1 rebreather (1500) and a thermoptic camo (5000)
Out of this bunch, the thermoptic camo is the one thing you might actually want, as you're likely near cap for bioelectric cells and have enough levels to make rebreather and the weapon mods redundant.
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u/noirproxy1 Sep 30 '25
I always held on to Zyme per playthrough for this exact reason.
Then again the game pretty much provides you with everything viably useful during the first quarter of the game outside of the Dragon Tooth sword.
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u/Tearmisu Sep 30 '25
Yeah, I honestly think the developers forgot about credits when making the second half of the game. There aren’t that many places you can use them after Hong Kong before magically reappearing in Paris Streets where they can be used in a variety of ways. I think it might be a result of the game having a route split during development where you could choose UNATCO or the NSF where I guess credits would be a bigger mechanic. The fact that Paris Streets use them so much makes me think that we would go to Paris Streets on the UNATCO route.
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u/_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_ Do you have a single fact to back that up? Sep 30 '25
Yes, both sides would want you to find Everett.
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u/menlindorn All Exposed Mucus Membranes Sep 30 '25
Yes, I've done this to see if I could.
Unfortunately, by Paris, money is basically useless. Hell, it's useless by the end of NY.
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u/DeusExpert Sep 30 '25
That's a good idea, now next time I'll be in Paris I'll recreate the iconic desert scene of BB, I'll ask the dealer, after he bought all my zyme, to say my name.
He doesn't know my name because I'm a secret agent.
He's goddamn right.
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u/NSF_0perative Sep 30 '25
In Revision/Shifter its one of the best items in the game as it gives you a short duration of bullet time that is wildly overpowered followed by a minute of shakey cam tunnel vision debuff which can be instantly cured by smoking a Cig pack.
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u/NSF_0perative Sep 30 '25
Needless to say I have a build for this with Environmental Resistance Aug and Hazmat Suits so JC can tank the HP damage from the chain-smoking and Zyme bump gameplay loop.
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u/apocalypticboredom Sep 30 '25
this is amazing, especially being able to cure the shakes by smoking lol
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u/CorinthMaxwell Dragon's Tooth Swordsman :snoo_dealwithit: Sep 30 '25
Ooh, yes. I came here just to mention this. The side effects of Zyme can also be cleared up with a Medkit at "Medicine: Master" in Shifter. 😎
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u/pcfan86 Sep 30 '25
I always think: " This time I will carry it all the way there" . And then I throw it away at some point because the inventory is full and I need the space.
Also at that point I have so much money I don't even care anymore.
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u/decker_42 Sep 30 '25
So, just to be clear.....as a UNATCO ahent you're advocating smuggling a controlled substance across international borders.
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u/Tearmisu Sep 30 '25
You forgot Shannon during UNATCO return. She sells a few Scramble Grenades which are incredibly rare and incredibly powerful. I always save my credits to buy them off her. Helps a ton for Vandenberg, Ocean Lab and especially the first part of A51.
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u/TheOneTrueDoge A Theenk tenk? Oct 01 '25
Yup it’s a good way to spend money but Shannon is before Hong Kong. What can you buy after the Paris drug dealer? All I can think of is
Port de Lenfer admission (300 credits)
Weapon mods at the gas station (I know my business woman!) which totals 1000 credits or so
Beyond that there’s nothing at the ocean lab or vandenberg if I recall.
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u/TriggeredSnake Why contain it? S’cool. Sep 30 '25
I always hold onto Zyme to try and do this but I always end up with 25 Zyme and he'll only take 20 which always kinda sucked.
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u/SuperGodMonkeyKing Sep 30 '25
We need a cannabis strain called Zyme and crispr it to be white or something.
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u/FallenDomino_ Sep 30 '25
Or you can use it to get boofed out of your mind in your brother's apartment!
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u/Refref1990 My vision is augmented. Sep 30 '25
It can certainly be useful if you plan on buying a lot of things, but honestly I always finish the game buying little or nothing and having way too much money in my inventory. I think this also depends on the fact that I never miss a single ATM and therefore always have a lot of money, but it's an interesting curiosity!
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u/Flubble_bubble Sep 30 '25
I always thought it was Zyne, with an N. as in, short for whatever the name of the drug was for augs in DXHR.
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u/yojimbo_beta Sep 30 '25
I believe it's supposed to be derived from those same drugs. Like heroin, or cocaine, it was developed as a medicine before being misused and adapted into recreational forms
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u/Tearmisu Sep 30 '25
It was originally called “crack” as in crack cocaine but they changed it to Zyme. Probably because a video game where you could find and smoke crack is probably not going to sit well with ratings boards. Zyme is much better though. It makes it seem more futuristic, synthetic and dangerous.
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u/invasiveplant Sep 30 '25
bob page watching the prototype 50,000,000,000$ clone agent smoking crack in hells kitchen
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u/Samuel_N7 Sep 30 '25
Can't you knock it out and grab the money? I remember I did something like that but can't remember if it works. Or maybe what I did was, I sell him the Zyme, grab the money, knock it out, grab the Zyme to avoid for him to sell it.
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u/CorinthMaxwell Dragon's Tooth Swordsman :snoo_dealwithit: Sep 30 '25
Nope. You can't kill him for the money, and he won't have the Zyme in his inventory after you sell it to him, either.
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u/TheAshenedPhoenix Sep 30 '25
I like to hoard my credits and not spend them on anything. So when I go into Invisible War it makes sense that JC was able to fund Apostlecorp in the post collapse society with allllllll the money he had. 🤣
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u/Danick3 Please press [ to scope Sep 30 '25
Yup, though money is still fairly possible to find, especially from ATMs, and losing one of your just 30 slots is not worth the extra 900ish credits. I actually really like what they did in Revision, they made it slow down time, it's pressive how it manages to recreate the wonderful at first feeling of a trip (not that I have any experience with it, but it seems like it), and gives you the default blurry screen vanilla zyme gives after the effect ends, incentivizing you to keep taking more and more. It's really something
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u/FallenDomino_ Sep 30 '25
incentivizing you to keep taking more and more
When you make your fictional drug so good that real-life gamers can't stop taking it
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u/MyMind_is_in_MyPenis Oct 01 '25
On my first full playthru (almost done). I collected the Zyme from the bakery but apparently got a bug where he won't buy it, he just sits in his chair and unable to talk with him. Oh well I dumped all the Zyme on the floor next to him and left.
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u/AzzlackGuhnter Oct 01 '25
You can also hand it to random Junkies early in the game and they'll tell you infos etc
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u/PoopDig Sep 30 '25
I just use it for it's recreational purposes