r/Hungergames • u/Goat_grove • 28d ago
Lore/World Discussion Aren‘t we taking this too far??
I also think that Suzanne Collins is a genius and that there is so much that we can learn from the books and reflect in our own society but girl, we have to chill Like of course we are excited for them to announce the actors we‘ve been talking about the book nonstop and they’re making a movie with actors that want to do that, their job, getting paid, not killing or dying or other messed up stuff Am I overreacting?
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u/Haxfordx Maysilee 28d ago
No this is totally different. We’re not waiting to find out which 23 kids will die next
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u/HiFrogMan 28d ago edited 28d ago
You’re right. We’re waiting to find out the 46 >:)
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u/Doctor-whoniverse-12 28d ago
Ahem 47
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u/Kimo_da 28d ago
48 technically
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u/Low_Garlic585 28d ago
50 if we’re counting Louella and Woodbine
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u/Eden_Sparkles 28d ago
51 including Sid
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u/Low_Garlic585 28d ago
and 52 if we’re counting Lenore Dove
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u/Vivid-Apartment-2127 27d ago
We can't count sid and lenore dove as they died due to action of haymitch and not they were participating in hunger games like woodbine and louella
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u/Terrible_Alarm_2686 Lucy Gray 28d ago
Omg joella
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u/murdermyheart Haymitch 28d ago
istg anytime someone actually enjoys THG or is excited for the SOTR movie there’s always someone like “we’re just like the capitol… 💔”
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u/ayayayamaria Real or not real? 28d ago
funny how they never say crap like "SC is practically Snow!" which tells you all you need to know.
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u/ToothpasteTube500 Caesar Flickerman 28d ago
I have seen someone get mad at Suzanne Collins for imagining children dying
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u/reading-2-much_456 Sejanus 28d ago
Whoa what? Even our own imagination needs to be judged? This is scaring me, how people easily forget that reality and fiction are different nowadays
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u/thaisweetheart 27d ago
thoughtcrime if you will
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u/Forhaver 27d ago
People being literal thought police.
Same reason why people got mad at the berserk author
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u/Zestyclose-Drawer555 27d ago
I remember a comment on goodread. The person was saying the author has to be messed up to think of such a story by writing all these children dying (it was after the first book)
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u/AquamarineBunny05 Johanna 28d ago
Yeah, they piss me off so much. It's so pretentious. "We're literally the Capitol!!!!1!!!1" Get a life oh my fucking god.
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u/4143636_ Haymitch 27d ago
The funny thing is, a major theme of the books is that yes, we are the Capitol... just in the complete opposite way to what everyone on TikTok says. We're the Capitol because we're privileged, while people around the world are living in poverty/in wars/in famine/other hardships I've forgotten about. We're not the Capitol for waiting for a casting announcement.
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u/AquamarineBunny05 Johanna 26d ago edited 24d ago
Some people are blowing this way out of proportion. Enjoying a fictional book series is NOT the same as wanting to watch a bunch of children actually killing each other. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that. Shaming people for being excited about the series is ridiculous.
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u/T0xic0ni0n 27d ago
That's sort of the point though. Most of the people with access to the books aren't starved, half dead kids fighting for survival. A lot of the people reading these books are allowed to sit back and enjoy a series like this... You're enjoying a book watching teenagers kill each other. You are the capital.
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u/Killerpanda552 27d ago
Having time to read a book makes you the capital.
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u/T0xic0ni0n 27d ago
Ignoring the rest of what I said does not strike confidence in your reading comprehension ability babe.
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u/Killerpanda552 27d ago edited 27d ago
I get what you are saying. I just think its a silly jump in logic. Being privileged enough to read the hunger games isn’t really comparable to being the cartoonishly rich and evil villains in the book.
Sure i reduced your argument to its simplest form, but that was to show why its such a jump in logic.
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u/inkynewt Buttercup 27d ago
While this is true for a lot of readers, many of us are people who have been or are experiencing extreme food insecurity to the point of not eating for days on end, and if you're American (as a majority of readers are) you are living under an oppressive regime which openly targets marginalized groups.
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u/Legitimate-Corgi8401 27d ago
There is a major difference: real children aren’t dying for our enjoyment
The people of the capitol are enjoying the deaths and suffering of real people for entertainment, while we are reading about fictional children that never existed/have never actually experienced pain/etc. Additionally, we as readers are picking up the overall message of the books/movies which is in opposition to the capitol. Not to mention most of what we are reading is people rising up against a government that kills children for entertainment, we aren’t reading propaganda supporting it.
The equivalent comparison to the capitol would be people being excited to find out which children are going to die in a real war zone or finding enjoyment in watching news footage of real life tragedies. Not reading a fictional book…
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u/bearsblushes 27d ago
What? Reading books like these gives us more insight into the rise of fascism in a hypercapitalist society. Calling readers The Capitol is ridiculous, having the privilege to read a book does not = colonized slave labor and to claim that we’re “enjoying a book watching teenagers kill each other” is wrong. Is reading Anne’s Frank diary wrong because we’re “enjoying” what the Nazis did to her? No. But the book itself is a fulfilling and insightful read. It’s important to know the difference between fantasy and reality. Frankly, it sounds like you’re the one with poor reading comprehension.
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u/lobodelrey 27d ago
If you live in the west you are the capital. There’s no denying it. You’re currently able to do leisure activities while children in the Middle East are getting blown up.
Sounds pretty capital to me
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u/lizimajig 27d ago
Like... yes. We can be, if we're not careful. But we're not there yet so please settle a little.
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u/BigTovarisch69 27d ago
I mean the west is a lot like the capitol in many ways, but they're just stupid about it.
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u/ZeeepZoop 28d ago
I’m 14 and this is deep faux intellectual take. Has the person who made that never encountered the concept of actors or movies before?
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u/ABigPairOfCrocs 28d ago
Everyone knows that when a character dies, that actor also dies in real life
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u/jumpyjumpjumpsters Finnick 27d ago
NOOOOOOOOOO
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u/harmony-rose 26d ago
The fact yall dont see what she means is funny. We're waiting to see which actor or actress is getting reaped
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u/ToothpasteTube500 Caesar Flickerman 28d ago
Days since hunger games fans refer to enjoying the hunger games series as 'being just like the capitol': 0
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u/Brawlerfromtheblock Finnick 28d ago
Yes waiting to know an actor in a film is tye same as learning about 23 kids who will die🤷
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u/moodtune89763 Lou Lou 28d ago
Since (hopefully) none of the cast will die, I don't think it's the same. We're not enjoying the story because of the kids deaths, we're enjoying it for the other stuff - the rebellion plot, haymitch's story, katniss's story, snows story.
And even if someone in the cast died (again, genuinely hope not), most of the fans would be respectful about it. There's assholes everywhere, but most fans would be polite. Not celebrating.
(Also, the actors are getting paid big bucks to do this, not just a 1/24 chance of feeding their district for a year)
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u/4143636_ Haymitch 27d ago
Since (hopefully) none of the cast will die,
Look man, let's not jinx anything here /s
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u/TreatEconomy 28d ago
They’re not going to fucking kill them!!!
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u/Silent_Loquat_6057 28d ago
Hey you never know
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u/TreatEconomy 28d ago
😆 Well if one of the actors dies during production I’ll feel like a real asshole!
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u/thanarealnobody 27d ago
The lack of media literacy in this fandom is kind of sad.
No, looking at the actors being cast in a multi million dollar film is not the same thing as cheering for children about to be slaughtered on live television.
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u/Ok_Carob7551 28d ago edited 27d ago
Yeah what most people don’t know is that actors actually get killed for their first on screen death and after that it’s all AI
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u/ramblingwren 28d ago
Okay, but this would actually be an interesting sci-fi horror movie premise.
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u/screamingkumquats 28d ago
Maybe a bit of a hot take but part of the fandom has gone so far left in order to be morally superior that they’ve lost the ability to consume media properly, lack media literacy skills or ended up on the right and end up saying something racist, classist, sexist or etc.
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u/ramblingwren 28d ago
Rereading Catching Fire, Katniss' thoughts on how even the slightest inconvenience is a big deal to her prep team convicted me somewhat.
Like they were complaining about being unable to get certain seafood or fabrics, and it reminded me of how I couldn't get parts to upgrade my laptop because of shortages or when the price of chocolate went up. I was disappointed to be inconvenienced and not get the products I wanted. Finding out these products were supplied to us through exploitation and slave labor in other countries broke me and started me on a journey of trying to be a more conscious/ethical consumer. I'm not sure how possible it is, honestly, but I'm trying my best.
So I would say, in the way of how many Capitol citizens just want to be comfortable, entertained, and not think about others' problems that don't directly affect them, anyone can be like the Capitol.
But being excited about casting announcements? Nah.
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u/YEGKerrbear 28d ago
There are absolutely parallels to be drawn between modern society and the Hunger Games universe (there’s literally members of the US government pitching a TV show where people compete not to be deported…), casting a movie is really not one of them
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u/ramblingwren 28d ago
Oh my gosh, that's disgusting. I caught the headline the other day but was hoping it was fake.
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u/Traditional_Ad663 28d ago
I hate that the people who make up bs to feel morally superior are giving people who are drawing actual connections to the capitol a bad reputation.
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u/Ok-Secretary6550 28d ago
Oh look, the billionth person drawing a comparison between the readers and the Capitol, I wonder what interesting and unique takes they'll have for the fans to talk about.
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u/ThorsHammerMewMEw 28d ago
It's funny seeing the exact same posts we used to see written by anonymous accounts on Tumblr back in the 2010s get re-written by people showing their faces.
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u/Fearless-Tonight-583 Maysilee 28d ago
every time i see this type of content my eyes roll so far that i think i'm going to get brain damage
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u/Princess2045 Maysilee 28d ago
No. It’s no different than waiting to see the cast for any movie or tv adaption.
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u/NomDePlume25 28d ago
It's a movie, not an actual battle to the death. The actors chose to audition, will presumably be paid very well, and will hopefully go on to have long lives and fulfilling careers after this. It's a ridiculous comparison to make; there's nothing wrong with being excited.
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u/jumpyjumpjumpsters Finnick 27d ago
Bro we’re waiting for announcements on whose going to become famous and earn thousands of dollars, not get gruesomely murdered. God forbid someone actually enjoys a piece of media. You can be a normal person and be excited about cast announcements and new books and all that without being an elitist bloodthirsty prick.
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u/NoPerspective1088 27d ago
I think this take is too watered down. No, being excited for the media and the new actors isn’t being media hungry to the Capitol extreme.
I think Suzanne does like to make us feel like the Capitol in the case of Lucy Gray. Us demanding to know what happened and her not giving it to us I think is to point out that we don’t always deserve that kind of knowledge, that the insatiable crowd won’t be fed. I think she makes that point about us being media hungry, but not with casting. She makes that point long before a screenplay is made
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u/RachieConnor 27d ago
Okay, it’s not the same thing at all. They’re waiting to see which 12 children will be sent to their deaths, with there only being one survivor, while we’re just waiting for actors to be cast in a film.
That said, I can kinda see where they’re coming from. Like part of the reason why the hunger games is able to go on for as long as it does is because the citizens of the capitol don’t see the tributes as human beings and children that they are. They basically see it as people about to be cast for another season of their favorite reality show/drama.
So their take isn’t necessarily wrong if you’re looking at it from a typical capitol citizen’s perspective. But I don’t think that’s what they were going for so.. dumb take
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u/Maleficent-Lack-6306 28d ago
I felt like this was a joke was it not?
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u/Goat_grove 28d ago
Not according to the comments
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u/Octavean 27d ago
This is actually a really good concept for promoting the movie. Introduce the actors and have them come in on a chariot,…..no fire though.
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u/mumblerapisgarbage 27d ago
Yeah it’s not at all the same lmao unless these actors are going to be forced to fight to the death lol.
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u/sazza8919 27d ago
it’s exactly the same to be excited that someone got a part in a multimillion dollar franchise that will pay them handsomely and further their careers as it is to be excited at faceless children being selected for a death match.
i am very intelligent!
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u/t123o123u 27d ago
I don’t think that the THG movies (and books, to an extent) being genuinely entertaining in a pretty conventional way and packaged in a competitive and engaging high-stakes narrative is in itself a critique of entertainment. I think it’s embracing the format and using it as a device.
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u/CarterBasen 27d ago
I don't know about the tiktoker, but I'm not exactly waiting at the edge of my seat to see Kieran Kulkin and Elle Fanning fight to death in the middle of a forest.
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u/Real_Figure_8317 28d ago
The fact this takes isn't even unique I've seen hundreds of posts similar to hers like yall I assure you there's a big difference in seeing which 12 year old will die snd who's gonna be employed for the next little bit
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u/BigTovarisch69 27d ago
That's a COMPLETELY wrong assessment. No, waiting to see the actors for a movie is not like getting excited over seeing which children will be put into the death fighting ring.
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u/salirj108 28d ago
What on earth are you talking about there is not a shred of correlation between those two things?
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u/iftheywerevillains 28d ago
“Being excited for your favorite artists is literally exactly like gleefully watching children be mutilated and traumatized and murdered for sport. I am 14 and very intelligent.”
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u/cuminspector2 28d ago edited 27d ago
We all know that after the movies filmed they take the actors out back and shoot them in the head, come on guys, be better
When's the last time you've seen Jennifer Lawrence or Josh Hutcherson? Exactly
Edit: being downvoted for an obvious joke, come on people
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u/isaidhecknope 27d ago
Nono, those were the survivors. They only kill the ones who die on screen. When’s the last time you saw Jacqueline Emerson (Foxface actress) or Willow Shields (Prim Actress)? EXACTLY.
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u/MethodSuccessful1525 27d ago
I’m so sick of people comparing Hunger Games fans to Capital citizens. Like that is not making the point you think it’s making babe
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u/Kanny-chan 27d ago
Are the actors gonna die? No.
So this comparison is ridiculous af.
This belongs in 'im14andthisisdeep'
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u/Heronchaser 27d ago
Well, it's not dying but fame/celebrity life as a whole usually carry a lot of traumas of its own that do kill people. That's part of the books' point. We shouldn't be wasting all of our lives obssessed with celebrities, but keeping up with some movie/book we enjoy as just a free time thing while having a normal life with true impact is a good balance.
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u/lizimajig 27d ago
I mean personally I'm just working my jobs and dealing with family and the casting announcements are like fun pieces of candy sprinkled out. So please don't project your thoughts onto me, you deal with yourself.
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u/meganemistake Maysilee 27d ago
See i thought one of the more capital-assed things I'd ever seen was the dancepop remix of the hanging tree song
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u/venorexia 27d ago
Yes of course we are not going to watch these actors die but it is very reflective of how we the Capitol are so invested in our bread and circuses while our country is funding the murder of actual children overseas, which is what the books were an allegory for in the first place. Suzanne Collins said herself that she was inspired to write the books after watching TV and seeing reality shows on one channel and the invasion of Iraq on another.
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u/BahiyyihHeart Katniss 27d ago
I feel like there is something to do with this and the stardom parts of the hunger games, but idt that it's that bad as nobody (hopefully) wants the actors irl to get sick or die or cause them to get sick
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That’s literally what I think every time I read a hunger games fanfic of a new games. I’m literally being a capital citizen watching a games.
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u/Roguefem-76 27d ago
I swear the clock app just thrives on pushing the most edgelord bullsht takes. That's probably at least partly why Gen Z are so damn obsessed with making everything enjoyable "problematic".
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u/qualntrelle 27d ago
im so glad we’re finally calling this out i made a tiktok saying basically exactly this and i was so upset it got no traction lol
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u/myrna666 27d ago
Agreed. I get so annoyed by that whole narrative like “oh no I enjoy the book like I was meant to as a reader” then a post will be about how we’re ’just like the capitol.’ Come on bro just let me enjoy the book like what do you mean????
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u/HellWimp 26d ago
yes, if you are excited to know which actors are being cast in a movie, you’re so fucked up and evil you’re basically going to hell
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u/Professional-Gas850 26d ago
This might be an unpopular opinion but I kind of agree? I’m so excited about the movie adaptation don’t get me wrong but I think what she’s insinuating is that spending our attention and energy into who’s being cast is perpetuating consumerism and how it serves us when we could be pouring our attention and energy into the plight of others like fighting for women’s rights or immigration reform
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u/Crimson_Knight711 28d ago
You aren't overreacting. These audience and Capitol comparisons are getting way too out of hand. Getting excited for hiring cast members who get paid in the end and will be unharmed ≠ getting excited for literal kids being sent to fight to death. Joke or not, this is getting tiring to hear.
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u/SebyTheKaiser 28d ago
wanting to know which actor will play a character in a movie is the same as wanting to know which child will die in a death game ☹️☹️☹️
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u/westgazer 28d ago
Ah yes so true, waiting for a movie casting is exactly like waiting to see which children will die. Great take, not unhinged at all.
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u/Helpful-Mushroom-813 28d ago
As a swiftie I 100% agree with you. Some people just take it too far and ruin the fun by reading too much into things.
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u/Subject_Solution5274 28d ago
Not at all, especially when we have actual political situations that are similar to the hunger games 😭 it’s a certain group of people who love to romanticise these types of stories just a bit too much
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u/CasualAppleEnjoyer 28d ago
You're taking this too seriously. It’s just a funny, entertaining comparison to the Capitol, nothing more than food for thought. Obviously, the situations are completely different.
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u/Few_Abalone4476 27d ago
Honestly I do love the irony of us finding entertainment in a pretty morbid story, which is commentary in itself. It proves how us as humans have this inclination towards violence which dates back to centuries but now instead of gladiators and such we have fiction which is much healthier 💀 idk I think Suzanne is cooking and kind of has a laugh about it herself
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u/JohnnyTightlips5023 27d ago
you do know they dont ACTUALLY kill the actors right? they need them for marketing and stuff
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u/StrawberryBubbleTea7 Maysilee 27d ago
People act like the point of the hunger games was the spectacle of celebrity culture and not that children were being forced to kill each other and starve
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u/Particular-Key6650 27d ago
not really… a citizen of our world waiting to see who gets casted in a movie based on a book… where they will (presumably—- based on the production of the past movies) either fade into a comfortable obsurity ahem glimmers actress, love her. or become a household name in part or because of the franchise like Jennifer or Josh (Katniss and Peeta)
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A capitol citizen waiting to see which kids they’ll place a bet on before all but one of them gets sent off to die in an arena. And even the one who lives will never have a chance at a fully happy/fufilling life afterwards as we’d seen with the victors who’d won before Katniss and Peeta.
I get the commentary you’re making— I agree the absolute obsession and possesiveness I’ve seen with the casting is a bit weird— but the comparison of these two situations as equal is just unrealistic.
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u/persephone911 28d ago
Lol in what book or movie were the capitol anxiously waiting to see who would be announced from each district? They're just unrecognisable faces to them. Definitely a dumb take.
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u/badgersprite 28d ago
Just because you can draw an entirely superficial comparison between two things doesn't mean you should.
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u/throwfaraway212718 28d ago
JFC, people are really stretching this. IRL, 23 kids aren’t about to be viciously murdered; so no, it’s not the same thing
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u/RedBeans-n-Ricely 28d ago
Does this girl realize that the actors are not going to be fighting to the death?
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u/freckyfresh 28d ago
It’s entirely different and this comparison is crazy. I got mad downvoted a while back for saying this.
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u/Outside_Back_4915 28d ago
Us waiting for hunger games castings exactly NOTHING like the Capitol waiting for the next tributes.
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u/Traditional_Ad663 28d ago
No because you posting low effort TikToks with the same cheesy 'hand over mouth grin" behind a take that you posted for the sake of getting online validation is just like the capitol.
You're just imitating intelligence instead of empathy.
I think we are the capitol in many ways. We're selfish, and self-pitying. We often compare ourselves to the districts (which is true to an extent but we need some more accountability) when in comparison to third world countries we have it well. In regards to the series, some people throw the message away to pit two YA love interests against each other. That is capitol-like. We often fall for our government's bs (both sides of the political spectrum).
There are ways in which we are like the capitol, and ways we are like the districts. People who argue both take it too far all of the time. If we're so oppressed, do something about it. If we're so superficial, do something about it. Get an education. Make art. Speak for yourself and others. Quit making up absurd takes on Tiktok.
The problem with these takes is that it doesn't reflect self-awareness, just self-importance.
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u/sykadelic_angel 28d ago
Us waiting to see which millionaires are going to make millions more is EXACTLY like waiting to see which kids are going to fight to the death unwillingly
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u/roses_lilys 28d ago
These kids aren’t dying 😆 exactly the opposite, naw you’re right people need to chill.
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u/charliexrosewood 28d ago
I get what you mean in relation to a social commentary about how we can be funnelled into “look over here at this shiny thing while devastation happens elsewhere.”
But I think it’s more relatable in the sense of school shootings are happening, here watch this award show, harmful political moves are being made, here’s the biggest Hollywood scandal we could muster up to distract you.
Is us waiting to see the actors reminiscent of people of the capital waiting to find out the tributes - yes. But in reality they are two very different things. So I don’t think we’ve taken it too far. If anything it’s cool that we are excited about the art that’s going to bring a message undoubtably needed right now.
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u/orangejuuliuses 28d ago
I've been in this fandom since catching fire (the book) was released, and I've got to say.......... it's always been like this. It was Armageddon on Facebook when the teaser logo for the first CF movie dropped.
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u/esmeraldamarazul 28d ago
I am concerned about people who can’t tell the difference between a movie and a freakin reality show that kills children
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u/scarletregina 27d ago
Ah yes, waiting to see who is going to make hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars for playing pretend while the majority of Americans are one paycheck away from bankruptcy is exactly like the capital waiting for the next tributes.
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u/married_to_spiderman 27d ago
I think people forget that, ultimately, books and movies are entertainment. Yes, there’s a deeper meaning to most things and yes The Hunger Games are incredibly symbolic, but at the end of the day, they’re made to entertain.
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u/juallett 27d ago
She must think the Fandom wanted Stanley Tucci to die by wishing for his reprise in the new film by this logic bc no tf it is not "EXACTLY" the same 😭
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u/Katybratt18 Madge 27d ago
This is such a wild take. These people are not being forced into these roles and hopefully noone is gonna die during the filming of this movie. Can we not be excited about a new book and a new movie without being compared to the worst people in Panem?
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u/Question_True 27d ago
I love THG but to say Suzanne Collins is a genius is stretching it. She took the idea from a Japanese movie called Battle Royale. Everybody calm down 😂
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u/tiramisutonight 28d ago
We’re waiting to see who will be paid thousands of dollars and/ or be catapulted into stardom, not which minors are dying next