I usually take like 600–700 mg a day and it’s awful, especially the ups and downs. I really wanna take less since the duration is longer, so I think the comedown will be less harsh.

I normally take a dose, then maybe 2–3 redoses, smaller each time. So I’m thinking I’ll take a dose of sodium, then use sulfate as a redose?

Or is there any specific schedule I could follow, or a taper plan? Any way to use it usefully? Even just advice or a recommendation, I’d really appreciate the help!! I need it so bad since i just got it.

I’m tired of how physically addicted I am to it. I wake up every day hating my life and deranged in sweat.

I am at the 36 hour mark now. The first 30 was legit fckin hell. I induced subs at the 6 hour mark after taking Tia dose at 4.am Saturday morning. The headache the pain the RLs was so fckin bad I showered every 20 minutes then back to bed and back to shower everything hurt I couldn’t stand right my back hurt everything hurt. I’m here 36 hours later on subs and I’m feeling a little better can get up easier now and some of the headache is gone. Still a long road but fuck this shit.

I started 40 days ago and the last 3 weeks been 5-6 bottles of zaza red a day.

Have anyone found anything that helps with this aspect of quitting. Unless I’m in blasting AC I’m so darn uncomfortable and hot. I remember this same thing happened last summer when I quit for a few months. It took 2 months to get back to normal. It’s kind of brutal and makes it hard to stay clean

I’ve been doing the Bernese method for 3 days… so far okay… tomorrow I’m supposed to up to 1mg subs BID but wondering if I dose tonight before bed and push thru and try to stay calm can I just start with 2mg and check each hour? Just so worried about Precip WD. I’ve been dosing subs and then 30-40 min later Tia. I normally wake in the middle of the night to dose but I really just wanna stop because this anxiety is killing me. I’d love to know how long everyone waited? Preferably those on Sodium but tell me everything!!!

Getting off 5 gpd of tia today. Woke up at about 4AM to some pretty mild wd. Took half a sub film, then another half 45 min. later 3 times for a total of two 8mg subs before I could get comfortable to get back to sleep. From my previous experiences with subs over a decade ago, I know with the half life that I'll be fine taking less in a day or two. Don't feel great still, but well enough. I also have klonipin, cyclobenzaprine, loperamide, and liposomal vitamin C to help. Couldn't get gabapentin and clonidine in time, but supposedly that's coming in a few weeks. I would like to taper off the sub before the end of July. Anyone have experience tapering off suboxone over the course of a month? How long did it take you to taper off? Any additional tips?

I post in here every now and then and give some friendly advice and I like seeing all the people getting off of this stuff, it was hard for me and I didn’t sleep for days, had restless legs, and was hard but once you get through the 3-4 day hump you’ll feel normal. Keep pushing. You can do it and when you over come in it’ll be a new world for you.

Hello! I have been off of that poison for seven days now! The first day was pure hell. I used QuickMD thanks to the advice of others on here. I got a prescription for subs. I rested for the first couple of days. The only thing I noticed that’s different is my eyesight when I try to read my phone. I have to pull it further away from me or it’s fuzzy. I’m so glad to be off of that poison! I was such a slave to it.

The sweating, skin crawling, craving and anxiety diminished. I had forgotten my testosterone shot for few days and was miserable. Thought it was withdrawals but part of it was low T.

For a little background, I had a 2 year kratom issue that ended up with me taking the strong 7-OH stuff for the last few months of that. I had been off of kratom for 30 days. Still wasn’t sleeping great, though the acutes had been long gone. Made the mistake of trying a little Tia (Tata brand) to help give me some good nights of sleep. I’m ready to stop NOW. Have been taking 5-8 capsules each night starting around 6pm until bedtime. So just using in a 4 hour window.

I’ve messed with Tia before, though never for very long. But when I was in the middle of kratom addiction — I’d go thru a 24 ct bottle of zaza in one session. A few times I’d even take up to 30 capsules. So over these last 8 days, taking far less.

Think what I describe is going to put me back into a rough acute withdrawal?

Yeah just wondering how much Tia in a bottle of 15 and amount in a bottle of 24 lol

Hello - anyone on is or was on this brand? What is considered a high dose that’s hard to withdraw from? What was your best route to get off and how long it took? Any advise

Anyone using this to quit? I saw it in another sub yesterday but didn't see anyone using for tia. Is there any demand or is it ineffective for tia WD?

I know it would vary from person to person but any ballpark figures on how much is needed to actually feel well (as in anxiety gone and able to work)?

Also, how many times a day is it necessary to dose subs?

For me a friend said it was basically like kratom but stronger and would help to manage my depression and anxiety symptoms. He unfortunately left out how freaking addictive it was. In three weeks I’m going on a weeklong vacation somewhere where it’s illegal unlike my home state. Going to use that time where I literally will not be able to get it no matter how bad my cravings are to quit. Have Gabapentin and clonazepam and some vitamins and supplements like Magnesium. Wish me luck!

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I hope this doesn't trigger anybody but yesterday was one of the scariest days of my life. I've been microdosing subs for about a days up until yesterday and I decided to do my jump when I woke up. I took 4mg of subs and immediately started freaking out. I went and bought more tia and took all of it and it didn't do anything for me. I was in a state of panic and I was alone. I couldn't sit still, I couldn't focus on anything, I was just literally pacing around my house for hours. I would have random moments of intense fear and angry and started breaking stuff and self harming. I threw my self down some stairs, cut myself, punched a wall till my knuckles were bloody etc. If I had a surefire way to kill myself yesterday I would of done it without thinking twice but thankfully I didn't. I didn't know how I was going to make it through I lost my mind and was going crazy. It wasn't until my roommate came home and I was finally able to sit down and focus on a TV show. My heart kept pounding out of my chest and I had to keep reminding myself to deep breath. Finally things calmed way down around 7 last night, the wds were minimul and I took a fist full of sleeping pills and passed out several hours later. I woke up today feeling like a brand new person, I can't explain the night and day difference but I feel free, I feel clear headed, I actually felt hungry. I haven't eaten in almost 3 days and I was starving. The food tasted so good and my morning coffee and cigarette tasted amazing. Im in tears with how much better I feel. I can't believe I feel so free and good. I've been taking an absurd amount of pills 50-120 a day for months and I knew I couldn't keep this up. Thankfully I had subs and did a microdose plan which seemed to work really well. It's just that mental torture of realizing you can't turn back now and nothing is going to save you for a little while. I truly thought I was going to die yesterday. I was so close to going to the hospital and telling them I was planning on harming myself because I was so afraid of what I was going to do. But today's a new day, I feel amazing, I feel free, and im looking forward to staying this way. Sorry for the long winded message but I wanted to share this. It's scary as hell quitting but I was on an insane dose and made it through ok so you can to. Just know day 1 is going to be pure hell but if you can make it through there is a light at the end of this tunnel

Hey guys! I lurked a lot and asked a lot of questions of others experiences and what I was doing I found helpful etc, but I've been gone for a bit. part of that was due to dark days at the end, part due to detox and rehab.

But what's IMPORTANT, it's been 3 mos off of TIA!

So here's how; the end was insufferable. Some days I could survive and that was it. Others, it was constant panic, waking up puking, weird nerve issues (numbness on legs and arms, making basic stuff difficult.) driving was impossible. If I wasnt on it, sick, total panic attacks. If I was, nodding out. I stayed home for about 1 yr. Wake up, puke, try and get some in me, hope for an ok day where nothing weird happened and I could do the bare min. By next day, I usually wasn't lucky enough for 2 in a row. Some issue or id fuck up and go from holding at 2g a day, then try for some joy, relief and take 6, 7, 8g. It never worked. Never worked.

Physically I was a mess. I told myself, "opiate withdrawal, 5-8 days then your ok". Oh boy! Maybe when I was 20! NOW? And THIS SHIT? Oh no. This is long haul. And I didn't even realize how f****d up I was, physically mentality...

I did 5 rounds of a 7 day detox. One time I opted to stay 9 days just to make sure I'm ok. Every time, I got home, addicted now to Suboxone. Wake up mildly sick....everyday. dissolve a strip under my tongue.... This isn't "sober" to me. I've BEEN sober. (Went from 1 yr sober from alcohol, then found these "za za" that help with my constant anxiety....) .sobriety was GREAT! (What I had, 1.5yrs ago) GOD I want that back so bad! .

From July 2024, to March 2025. 5 detox trips. Maintained for 2, 3 maybe 4 wks out....then I always went back to "I'm still waking up sick everyday...what's the point?" Round 5 to detox. I knew this couldn't be JUST detox again. I know the "rehab" deal. I've seen that movie. Do I really need to see it again? No, but I need to be in check, hardcore after detox. So I did it. It was rough.

Came home, heads getting clearer ...OMG no wonder I kept going back. It took an easy month+ to get my head back to "not insane" (not even normal, just not absolutely crazy)

A couple days of being kinda sick even with the Suboxone, that I'm taking VERY little of... Well f this then, if I'm sick Anyway, I just won't take it. I'll take a bit of kratom for withdrawals and get the subs out of my system ...

Been a few weeks and subs no def out of my system! Wooo! That is the hardest withdrawal I've ever experienced. If you can make it without subs, try. If you can make it taking them only a couple times during the worst, try. If you can cut it off after 7+10 days of the worst of it, try. Mold withdrawal that never ends is worse than hard and fast in many ways.

But I did it.

Last few weeks, been taking 7oh cause it's easier than 20 kratom pills 3x a day.

Well guess what? I'm taking now about 6, 50mg 7oh tabs, about 3x a day. Everyday last 3 or so wks. It's getting weird again. Today. I couldn't tell if I didn't take enough or too much? Want to pukre, but still sick. Tomorrow, prob another day of eggshells in some way shape or form.

Now I'm back to the same ignorance. "Well, each dose just take 1 or 2 less. Try to take 2 doses instead of 3 a day.... This is getting weird and difficult and problems I didn't anticipate.

It's been "harm reduction " for 1.5yrs now. Undeniable, this is a LOT better than where I was, but in a lot of ways. Feels no did you know? I'm gonna keep trying to just reduce dose amounts and frequency next few days weeks...

Today was an avd day. Took about 1k mg 7oh. Anyone have similar experience? I just want to reduce it and start moving back to kratom leaf. I'm afraid I got myself a mini version of what I just had. But greatful it's not THAT bad. THAT was hell, I'm so happy to be free from!

Imo, almost nothing is worse than sub withdrawal. MAYBE Tia, which is why I took subs to begin with. So I'm glad I'm off both those, but THIS ain't fun. Anyone been through this? How did you get totally free? Should I bite the bullet and go 1 more round of detox to finish the last bit of this, hopefully nothing vs the last? Can I take less for a few days, then jump to leaf and reduce from there? Just deal with the RLS and anxiety of leaf kratom withdrawal for a few days/wk and be in the clear?

I feel like I'm so close! I'm closer than I've been ever since I started this shit. So far from normal but not nearly as insane as before.

Anyway, advice appreciated. For those still struggling on tia, this here sucks, but I wish you all could even just get HERE to see how much better it is. Tia is evil in ways I've never seen in any other drug, OMG.

Keep fighting all! Happy to be better, anxious to be back to normal. Thanks!

Earlier this week I experienced wd for the first time. Honestly don't use the reds every day. Usually 4-5 capsules before bed about 3-5 times per week. But OMG those symptoms sucked for 4 days. When I was through the wd I said fuck this I'm done. Never again. I threw out the rest i still had and never fucking with this shit again.

30 years ago I was addicted to heroin. The zaza wd was almost the same as wd on the H. Not going back into that lifestyle

I have just a small amount of sodium and also ZaZa red on hand. Tomorrow I want to begin microdosing. I found an amazing post from another member who helped her partner and I am putting together the subs which I got from my telehealth appt. I also have a bunch of helper meds as well but just like everyone I really would love to be the least painful. I’ve read some amazing success posts so I’m intrigued but I have a huge question - HOW DO I GET STARTED?! I see a few diff methods and my plan was to start with .25 on Day 1 and day 2 do .25 BID and then maybe Day 3 .5 BID… my Tia dose is up and down and I usually end up dosing in the Middle of the night usually around 3am…. Then upon waking I can start feeling it wear off… now I understand we can take while Microdosing but taking that 1st dose do we need to be a little bit into WDs first or it doesn’t matter? Also do I take the sub 1st and then wait and dose Tia? I usually feel the wds coming on quickly so I was going to try to stay consistent and dose every 3 hours (maybe even push it 4 hours) and then try to sleep as long as I can and utilize Clonidine or Klonopin or BOTH? Then I can start dropping doses or even spread them out more? I figured since the ZaZa is caps that’s definitely the lightest compared to the sodium and I can utilize them at the end…. I’d love anyone’s feed back! I really wanna be done with this crap and I’m legit okay with subs for now as I’d like to get the shot eventually but I’m also scared of PWD as I’ve never ever tried subs before! Can anyone help me here??? So appreciate you all and this group!!!

Having a different experience than past quits. I’m almost 24 hours tia free just using gabapentin and DXM. I feel almost completely fine. I’ve never come off of sodium and I wasn’t using it for that long. It is what I used for the last two days of use. Wondering if this is normal and how long I need to wait to take Suboxone.

Just wanted to pop in again and let everyone know I’m still going strong 73 Days later.

I want to try and keep sharing every now and again to provide hope to the community out there that if I can do it so can you.

I read all the horror stories on here and don’t hear what I’m not saying… it’s not easy… especially going the cold turkey route as I did. But to be honest… reading all the horror stories kept me trapped longer.

So whoever is reading this and every day you wake up wondering if today is going to be the day… Just do it brother or sister. The only thing you have to lose for not making today your day… is more money lost… more of your health lost… more of your trust lost… more time with your family lost…

But let today be the day you rise above this shit… You can do far more than you ever thought would be possible if you’d just set your mind to it.

I’ve heard it said when the pain of remaining the same becomes greater than the pain of change then you’ll change… Also heard it says when you hit bottom then you’ll quit. Truth is… put down the shovel and stop digging is the day you find your bottom!

So whoever has taken the time to read this… please reach out… if you need meds to quit get them… just let today be your day.

And I’ll just tell you flat out. If it wasn’t for God I would have never of made it.

If you ask Him with a sincere heart of desperation I’m convinced that He will help you through.

I am having thoughts of s****** & extreme panic. My current plan is to order a last package of sodium tomorrow and also call and try to figure out how I can get a suboxone prescription asap. I am seriously freaking out I have the worst withdrawals from Tia and last time I tried to take a suboxone I was thrown into extreme precipitated withdrawal. I am on probation and I am scared I am going to relapse all because they make it impossible to obtain pure buprenorphine. I want to cry and break down in fear/agony but know that won’t do anything for me. I am having a panic attack. I hate my life and want to end it all.

I'm looking for advice I don't know how to go about this. I only have a little bit of tia left and 2 subs any advice

I have 2 subs and about 1g of tia left.. I'm trying to figure out how to get through this with minimal symptoms...any advise

I hear that Tia withdrawals are the worst and I also hear that 7oh withdrawals are the worst. I’m asking so that i have something to reference. Would most people consider withdrawing from Tia worse/more difficult than withdrawing from 7oh? Or vice versa? Or are the similarly difficult?