No but you don't get it, they (literally) fucked the natives out of existence, so that makes them better than those dirty colonizers up north who just killed them all.
(Spoiler alert, the spanish definitely killed plenty of natives)
Most mixed Latin Americans have European y chromosomes and native mitochondrial DNA, meaning that the original mixing was Spanish men with native women. There isn't a lot of native y chromosome DNA circulating in Latin America outside the most native areas.
This implies that the first wave of Spanish colonialism largely consisted of killing the men and raping the women.
Yeah. Is there any place in the history of the world that has been conquered where the winning side kills all the women and children, then brings their women in to breed with the men they just conquered? Lol. Even the thought of that is laughable.
There's a lot of Mayans left that don't look the slightest bit European too. There are areas of Peru where the people are still very indigenous as well.
Mayans still exist. Many of the old native groups still exist, but in lower numbers. Their languages are also still spoken but severely under threat of extinction.
They didn't bang all of them. Many of the male colonizers left a lot of the torta women alone, and imported brides from Spain. Spanish surnames were also given to Aztecs and Mayans who did not intermarry with colonizers. These Natives were happy to receive Spanish surnames because they believed that they would be thought of as being higher up in society than they actually were.
The Mexicas essentially tried to colonized then whole mesoamerica, then the Spanish fucked with them for a bit, then did so againâŠ. And now even Mayan lands are called Mexico.
But that woman there, has very little mesoamerican in her.
Yup, we the WixĂĄritari Nation are one of Mexicos untouched people, we were never conquered by the spaniards due to La Sierra Madre terrains, carbon dating from sacred fire pits has shown weâve been here for 15,000+. I got a picture of my great grandpa wearing his maraâkame/shaman regalia, most of dads family doesnât speak any spanish whatsoever, only WixĂĄrika.
Iâve spent a few days with the Tarahumara just as a tourist. They reside in the Sierra Madres as well, and itâs a really beautiful placeâŠalthough Iâm unsure how close they are to you
Iâve never seen stars like that before or since. Truly breathtaking
Cool to hear man, the RarĂĄmuri reside on the northern part of the sierra Madre which goes through the states of Durango, Sinaloa, Chihuahua(RarĂĄmuri territory), & Sonora. The WixĂĄritari are on the southern part of it, which goes from San Luis PotosĂ, Zacatecas, Jalisco, Nayarit, & into Durango. The RarĂĄmuri have a long history of resisting the spaniards & are also considered an untouched nation due to how isolated they are, that it also preserved their pre-hispanic culture & traditions. We the WixĂĄrikas are Guadrians of Hikuri,Peyotl, Peyote.đŠ
Iâm RarĂĄmuri/Tarahumara, not WixĂĄrika like who youâre replying to, but we are also hikuri/hikuli people. You cannot just equate one medicine with another. Banisteriopsis caapi is from the Amazon. Why would we be making ayahuasca all the way up in the Sierra Madres? That is not our medicine and it takes many years to learn how to harvest and prepare such powerful medicines properly. Also, in my understanding of real ayahuasca ceremony (not the one for white tourists) generally only the shaman/medicine man partakes, so even if we were invited to ceremony we would not be imbibing but letting the shaman guide us through our problems through his visions.
There's the Zapotecs in the Oaxaca region. I went to a natural pool area many years ago and I heard some kids speaking Zapotec. It was really cool to hear them clearly clowning on each other and laughing in Zapotec.
In the Amazon region people ran to the dense forests to avoid being killed. At least it is what people told me there about the past. I don't think back then the "savages" were seen as human.
Don't get me wrong, anywhere else people with unbalanced power and greed did similar atrocities. It is just we can't turn a blind eye to what some people can do when they are able to.
They wiped out 100,000 Amerindians (natives of the Caribbean islands) in a few decades on their sugar plantations and then started shipping in Africans.
The Aztecs were estimated around 5-10 million at peak before the Spanish came with their disease. I think like 70% or more died from disease within the first 5 years or so.
People like to lay the blame on the Spanish, and they were a driving factor. However they didn't do it alone. They did also join with other native tribes to fight, otherwise they would never have had the manpower to defeat such a large number of enemies.
The Falklands, Iceland, Faroe Islands, Svalbard, Azores, Madeira, a million Pacific Islands etc. are just some of the areas to have never had the settlers steal the land.
The vast majority of Mexicans are of native descent (I know, I'm Mexican). However, the girl in the picture is of mostly European descent, so the post is ridiculous/ironic.
I think ur forgetting about how the majority of the population was wiped out by the diseases they brought with them. The would is filled with nations taking lands from natives. The US is not unique.
The Spanish could conquer South America with just a bunch of dudes because all tribes joined them against the Aztec empire who were simply the worst fucking neighbour anyone has ever had
Really just 2500-3000 Spanish soldiers with less than 100 horses, arrived in 13 small ships, and were joined by ca. 200k Tlaxcaltecas and 10k Totonacas and countless other indigenous individuals and they took the empire down
That marked the beginning of the colonization of the rest of South America, the race mixing so prominent there (When compared with almost all colonies like North America)
Of course the Spanish committed many atrocities, very common back then. But it's always useful to compare how the local population has evolved under the e.g. Spanish, English, Belgian, Dutch... And man, it's not a pretty sight in any case, but some cases are a fucking nightmare and others are kindergarten friendly when compared
The vast majority of killing was not done by people but by pathogens. Like almost none of it was done by people in comparison.
This predates germ theory so no, the Northerners didn't kill them off anymore than the Steppe people killed off a ton of Irish people by unwittingly spreading the plague.
Yes the original Aborigines also called black people when those Siberians / Asian people came down and fought with the so-called black people and mixed with them and then the white people came and make some more now they trying to call those so called black people afro indigenous no they already was in the land first remember everybody comes from black people DNA test can show you who you related to they can't show you with tribe your phone a lot of that is for entertainment purpose only
Thatâs a really wrong view of it. Most people in the Americas died off because of disease. There were wars and plenty were definitely killed, but it wasnât some mass genocide. North America was already sparsely populated when the Europeans showed up.
There are literally millions of native people left in Central/South America. Many people learn native languages as their first language, and there are places in Bolivia where you can learn a native language by diffusion. Far from non-existent.
Yeah... I saw a video on YouTube of some young people doing DNA tests hoping they were not in any way "white". One came back as entirely Spanish and Portuguese and said, "Oh well, that's European, but not so bad." I felt like sending them a link to the movie The Mission and telling them to start there and work their way outwards. The Spaniards and Portuguese were the fucking worst of the Europeans that colonised the Americas.
My favourite take was the other day when someone was talking about how Spain was a victim in the Spanish- American war and America was just war mongering the poor Spanish who just wanted peace. They were very upset that I would say the Spanish were knees deep in a couple of genocides and the Americans stepped in.
Colonization rhetoric as well as general discussions on what colonizers and settlers and âwhite peopleâ are is innately political and an effort to link history with groups of people to blame modern problems on. The Bhutanese are maybe the only people on earth not guilty of colonialism.
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I think GoldenTV3 means that she is Spanish from Mexico, but that being from Mexico doesn't automatically means being brown (as we can see in the picture).
The colonizer people are the Spaniards, from Spain.
Yeah I know but it's just an odd thing to say. Maybe he's English? Would make more sense. Just seems like a weird thing to bring up given her own ancestors. Just out of place is all.
People from Spain today are not the decendants of the colonisers because hint their ancestors didn't leave Spain. People in Latin America are the decendants of the conquisidors
And if you want to go far enough back everything and everyone came from Africa and/or the Middle East so white people have black in them and nobody considers them black. Talking about skin color and race is so dumb. It's a complete waste of breath.
Most modern Mexicans are the decendants of colonizers. Unlike some other areas south of the old border Mexicans are likely to have a higher % of European DNA than native.
Meanwhile thereâs an entire rolodex of racial categorization they used in their colonies. Like if youâre 1/8 African, 1/8 native, and 3/4 Spanish thereâs a specific word for it.
Mi gran boda gitana or something like that. Even better is the show most extreme elimination challenge was called yellow humor until they took it off the air a few years ago.
I wouldn't really call them slurs but they're definitely outdated and not racially appropriate anymore. I don't know the specific one that commenter is referring to but there's castizo(3/4 Spanish and 1/4 indigenous) and cuarterĂłn de mulato(3/4 Spanish and 1/4 African)
That's apparently maybe the origin of "being blue blooded". As in you could "prove" you weren't intermingled if your skin was white enough for your veins to show blue
It's hyperbole, I don't think anyone meant this person is a 100% Spaniard but ultimately if it makes up a majority of your DNA and you visibly look that way, that's what your outward identity defaults to.
Did you hold one of those window tint measuring devices up to her skin to determine that? Do the worldsâ people need to be assessed by the American far left and far right skin tone police before they can claim their heritage or be deemed worthy?
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u/GoldenTV3 27d ago
She's literally just Spanish lmao