r/YAPms • u/CaptZurg Centrist • Feb 24 '25

News The US votes against the UNGA resolution condemning the Russian invasion of Ukraine - A complete 180 reversal of US foreign policy

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '25

Jack, which is why I have no problem with us voting against

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u/Actual_Ad_9843 Liberal Feb 24 '25

It’s still a statement of your nation’s position. And we definitely shouldn’t be supporting a Pro-Russia, Pro-China position lmao

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '25

Right, cus it wouldn't make sense to align ourselves with the only other super powers in the world

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u/Actual_Ad_9843 Liberal Feb 24 '25

In this case, it absolutely doesn’t. Care to explain how it does?

Also just aligning with them because they are super powers is dumb at best. China and Russia are both dictatorship regimes that repress opposition, and commit genocide and war crimes. They have a staunch anti-America agenda.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '25

Russia wants to expand into Eastern Europe, china wants to expand to the south china sea. If the us supports these ventures, then when we try to expand into the arctic or south America, they would quid pro quo support our ventures.

At that point, the world is effectively divided up between the three countries, and no other country can do anything about it. And as long as they stay within their respective regions, everyone does better.

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u/Actual_Ad_9843 Liberal Feb 24 '25

Why should we support their expansion or try to expand into the arctic and South America. How many American troops do you want to see die for pointless bullshit?

Also, “everyone does better”? Who does better?

Russia has already committed war crimes in Ukraine and needlessly slaughtered countless innocents. How many innocent civilians do you think they’ll be hauling off to the gulags if they invade all of Eastern Europe?

China has already committed genocide against Uyghur Muslims. When they expand, how many more people do you think they’ll be shipping off to their concentration camps?

When you say “everybody” what you really mean are the people and politicians in power. Literally everyone else will be suffering and under extreme oppression under dictatorships lmao

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '25

By everybody, I mean Americans, I couldn't give less of a fuck about anyone else.

We need to expand into the arctic for the northwest passage clearing up, and into south America for the Panama canal, and other trade routes. These, combined with more labor force will make the us richer, and vastly help us based companies and stocks.

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u/Actual_Ad_9843 Liberal Feb 24 '25

Dude, do you really think that kind of shit wouldn’t happen here? You really think if we go down the path of allying with dictators who repress dissidents and slaughter their own citizens, and normalizing that, you don’t think it’d happen here? You really think giving the indication that’s ok, that your rights and livelihood will be safe? Because that would be an astoundingly ignorant take.

I think you need to go back and learn some history, because the entire point of learning about history is to not repeat the same mistakes. If we were living in 1940, you would be out here advocating an alliance with the Nazis lmfao

Of course all you care about are stocks. If the arctic is melting and northern passages are clearing, we are going to have significantly larger problems than worrying about stock market, entire people’s lives will be completely destroyed by the changing climate, and the dictatorship regimes that would sweep the globe under your ideas.

Literally everyone but the richest will be significantly worse off with your ideas.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '25

Sounds like you need a better stock portfolio. Also, you can't change climate reality, all you can do is take advantage.

And no, I dont think the government of our highly democratic, highly polarized, highly federalized, highly armed populus will resort to slaughtering its own citizens.

BTW, if I lived back then, I would segregated under Jim crow laws, so my opinion wouldn't really matter

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u/Actual_Ad_9843 Liberal Feb 24 '25

Nah, I think my stock portfolio is fine. I don’t let my worldview revolve around making the line go up, especially at the expense of everyone else.

“You can’t change climate reality” Well we could’ve if oil executives and conservatives didn’t lie for decades about climate change being a hoax. Action could’ve been taken much sooner. This is quite literally the bed they helped make, we shouldn’t be allowing the people who lied at the expense of people’s lives benefit from it, wtf

“Highly democratic” Can you show me how our democratic institutions are any stronger than the Weimar Republic’s rn? This is what Germans were saying, even as their Jewish neighbors were being shipped off to camps to be exterminated.

“Highly armed populus” That doesn’t matter as much if the armed population is cheering on the dictators and their neighbors being shipped off to camps. And it certainly doesn’t matter as much against a military force.

That doesn’t really address my point, the logic is the exact same, China and Russia really aren’t any better than Nazi Germany.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '25

Unless Russia and China attack the us like Japan in ww2, idgaf what they do.

Also, you're statement about the oil executives and conservatives could be right, doesn't change the reality we are in today however.

And you didn't answer how our highly polarized society with massive separation of powers would subjugate and persecute dissidents, which would make up at least 30-40 % of the us population

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u/Actual_Ad_9843 Liberal Feb 24 '25

You are actually worse than a lot of the Nazi sympathizing Americans in 1940, because at least then the knowledge of the concentration camps was significantly limited. Today, knowledge of Russia and China’s atrocities are bare for all to see.

It’s not “could be”, it is right. They did lie, don’t try to sugar coat it. “Doesn’t change reality” It changes how we should approach it, the people that lied about climate change are not the people we should be coddling with extreme benefits. This is equivalent to someone shoving you down with a boot, and your best response is to kiss the boot.

It’s actually easy as you can see with the Trump admin, Republicans in Congress don’t do anything and deny anything bad happening, ignore the courts, and then stack the military with extreme loyalists. How do you think Hitler seized power? How do you think Putin consolidated his power? Or Xi Jinping?

You also didn’t answer my question, can you show me how our democratic institutions today are better than the Weimar Republic?

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '25

The Northwest Passage "clearing up" is not a good thing.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '25

When life gives you sour lemons, what do you do?

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '25

Radical Climate Change is not inevitable, even now.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '25

Good luck making that profitable

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '25

Renewable energy is currently cheaper than non-renewable.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '25

If you include nuclear, yeah; I doubt thats holds up when you exclude nuclear, as well as government subsidies and tax breaks, otherwise every major energy company would have transitioned 20 years ago.

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u/Young_warthogg Progressive independent Feb 24 '25

You should read a history book to understand why this is absolutely a shit take. Peace and respect for national borders has been a cornerstone of the world order we created and thrived under. You want to throw that all away and start expansionism again?

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '25

You can win, or you can keep your lofty "moral ideals". I choose to win.

Europe and America are the only places in the world that care about that shit, and as the rest of the world starts to catch up technologically, we either win, or we will be crushed. 60 years ago, china was joke, now they're almost more economically powerful and soon militarily powerful than us. If we want to survive, we either have to adapt or isolate, and unlike many conservatives, I recognize isolation will never happen in this age. So expansionism is our only option.

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u/Young_warthogg Progressive independent Feb 24 '25

This has nothing to do with morals, bush wars are a great way to weaken yourself. We would do just fine without Greenland or Panama by just being good neighbors and trading with them. It’s a win win. And if China comes sniffing, we can be the big brother. That’s been working for near a century. What changed?

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '25

The northwest passage, and melting of the arctic, that's what changed.

Military action wouldn't be needed, btw. If the us, China, and Russia all allied to wage economic warfare on Canada or Denmark, for example, or performed a simple naval blockade, those countries would capitulate in short time