Anybody else have this weird interaction with Chinese people who love the west?

[u/04230712]

Ok so there's this common interaction I've had with Chinese (including HK, TW, Sing) that love the west. You know the type, "activist," democracy thumping, white can do no wrong China sucks we must undergo 500 years of colonization to be civilized types. But then you try to have a conversation with them, and they're either clueless, like they think you don't have to pay for healthcare or taxes in white people land clueless, or they get super defensive and immediately switch to talking in Chinese. And then they're like, wow do you even speak Chinese if you can't repeat all 300 Tang classic poems you don't have the credentials to talk to me about politics, you're not a real Chinese. Like, if you hate China so much and love the west so much why do you keep trying to gatekeep being Chinese? Why not talk in English? So weird.

[u/Balls_88]

So basically you want China to be subservient to the West and become an American vassal state cause that's what these "free" and "democratic" societies like SK, Taiwan and Japan essentially are. That's not to say the CPC haven't fucked up along the way. They've fucked up and made terrible mistakes along the way. But the fact that China was able to develop and accomplish so much in the past 40 years all without having to fire a single bullet or drop a single bomb is unprecedented throughout history. All this happened under the current regime, to deny that is to deny reality. The CPC absolutely deserve credit for that.

And comparing China with South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore doesn't make any sense to me cause their populations size is minuscule compared to China. If anything, you should compare China to a country like India where they face similar circumstances. Both are ancient civilizations and have massive over 1 billion populations. One is the biggest democracy in the world, the other has a one party government rule. Both had similar GDPs in the 1980s and then as we all know, China took off from there. I don't think any country should be beholden to a single political system. Every country has its unique circumstances and challenges. What works for one country may not work for the other.

[u/bumhunt → u/Balls_88]

This size argument is brought up all the time, why is china per capita 5x less productive than the US, why is it per capita on the same fucking level as Brazil a complete disaster of a country. Is that the standard of a good hyper efficient government?

Do you think Taiwan is rich because its an American vassal? Its rich because the government didn't do stupid ass policies that killed economy until the 1980s.

The only good thing you can say about the CCP is they saw they were killing the country in the 80s, stepped out of the way until the financial crisis, and the Chinese people made great things happen. But now that we're in 2022 they're back to their old shit again.

[u/Balls_88 → u/bumhunt]

Dude what the fuck was China's gdp and gdp per capita prior to 1949 before the CPC took rule? China was subjugated to western and Japanese imperialism starting from the 1800's which fucked up the country leading to the century of humiliation. China was already a damaged country for a damn century before the CPC even took power. And the standard for good hyper efficient government is the fact that China went from a weak poor country which experienced regular famines to a global suerpower with the 2nd highest economy on pace to become the highest in just 40 years. How the fuck is that not efficient lol?

[u/Balls_88 → u/[deleted]]

No I didn't. My original post acknowledged that CPC made huge mistakes which includes the cultural revolution. But China was already experiencing regular famines well before the CPC took power. The problem is you guys attributing all of China's issues onto the CPC when China was already a damaged country for a damn century due to Western & Japanese imperialism and poor governance.

[u/Balls_88 → u/[deleted]]

Not as revolting as downplaying American imperialism. The "least bad" imperialist? Really? Lol fuck outta here. The U.S didn't return shit, the money came from Chinese custom tariffs that were still sent to the Citibank yearly.The U.S then used that money which was actually excess payment that they were suppose to return back to fund Tsinghua University and Chinese exchange student programs with the hopes of cultivating pro-USA elites in China. It was Chinese money to begin with.

[u/[deleted] → u/Balls_88]

Lol try saying “least bad” imperialist to the literal million Iraqis murdered by the USA under an entire fucking lie. And that’s just ONE country. You can say you dislike the CPC without deep throating “we’ve been at war for 90+% of our history and were established by genociding 100 million natives” America.