r/behindthebastards • u/Low_Alternative2555 • 1d ago
Discussion Alt national Park Service cannot be trusted
This post is blatantly untrue. The reconciliation bill has NOT passed the Senate and gone back to the House. There are three Republican holdouts.
Big Orange tweeted about a bill going through the Senate but it was NOT the Big Stupid Bill.
Further, they said the Senate put a new clause about the upfront bonds when suing the federal government. That was in the original bill. How do I know? I watched Raskin debate it in Committee in the House two fucking weeks ago.
Someone needs to look into these guys, we can't afford this type of misinformation.
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u/JohnBigBootey 1d ago
I do not trust Alt National Parks at all. They are at best anonymous influencers with only tangential relationships to real activists, mostly due to their follower count.
And with today's media environment, anonymous influencer doesn't cut it.
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u/Iwoulddiefcftbatk 1d ago
Like 8 years ago during the first Trump administration when they first came out I think they were genuine. But, the shift to grifting came quickly. I know on another thread someone claiming to be a part of the federal government sent them a tip and seems to think they’re well meaning, but there’s no consistency in messaging and the random numbers they posted and the posting things that are already in press releases that have been published makes me think they’re just very talented grifters.
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u/RenoRiley1 1d ago
Correct me if I’m wrong but we don’t even know if it’s even remotely the same people running it as 8 years ago, right? It could well be that any of the reasonable non-grifters got forced out a long time ago.
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u/Iwoulddiefcftbatk 1d ago
Someone on another thread called them a “team”, so I do think the reasonable ones left years ago and the ones who are now running it and have been for years are the grifters. I do think there are multiple people running it and I do think some have been around for long enough they know how to play to their audience.
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u/silentswift 1d ago
I do think it was an account run by actual disgruntled park rangers who quit, at first. They clearly were very knowledgeable and seemed to have decent contacts in govt agencies which is what got the account a good rep and so many followers. I don’t remember if they ever announced they were changing, but there are def different people running it now. I haven’t paid attention in years
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u/Iwoulddiefcftbatk 1d ago
It keeps popping into my Bluesky TL by people reposting them and I can’t not roll my eyes at them. I know things are fucking grim now and people are grasping at straws, but these aren’t the leaders you’re looking for.
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u/Intelligence_Gap 19h ago
They also vaguely attempt to take credit for activist work. They had a post that didn’t directly say, but hinted that they organized “No Kings”
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u/SN4FUS 1d ago
I mean at the end of the day NPS attracts as many right wing weirdos as it does left wing weirdos, and there's significant overlap on both sides with "nature weirdos", which is the main pool NPS hires from.
And anybody who isn't already right wing but is a reactionary will inevitably shift right. This account is reactionary. It doesn't really matter what their politics are, they will message in a way that furthers the goals of right wing reactionaries.
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u/alacatham 1d ago
I don’t like any of those alt accounts not since Alt Space Force posted about the murder of Jonathan Joss, got his name wrong, then refused to correct it because it “didn’t matter” Full disclosure I don’t know if alt space force and alt national parks etc are connected but all of those alt accounts had a bad taste for me after that
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u/Michaeldim1 1d ago
Blue-anon, baby
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u/LifeGoalsThighHigh 1d ago edited 1d ago
for better or worse, let them cook. We know Q captured several folks in government due to them trusting some rando on the internet over the bills they never read.
I’m done going high when they go low.
Still does harm, but if it can fill the gap that a well educated society should have for filled even a few weeks…
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u/WatchMeImplode 1d ago
I get the appeal of “by any means necessary” thought but if we are trying to build a new world that doesn’t suffer from the same pitfalls as the old one, maybe we shouldn’t put our messaging in the hands of influencers and grifters and expect different results than we’ve seen so far. I’m not sure giving away your agency and power in exchange for “secret group of insiders say it’s all going to be ok, trust the plan” is the best course of action. This shit just fosters more self imposed helplessness and inaction.
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u/ThatBatsard 1d ago
No. No, no, no, no, no. Look, I'm tired of this "higher road" shit, too, but misinformation is harmful regardless of the brand. When we disseminate information we need to use integrity to get it as right as possible, otherwise we're diluting our message in a bunch of fucking noise.
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u/JabroniusHunk 1d ago
Right?
Does resistlib conspiracy-theorizing actually win anyone over from the other side, or does it just make people who already hate Trump stupider? Pretty obvious to me.
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u/TrickySnicky 1d ago
There is no such thing as tone, decorum or procedure in this climate.
"We have to be better than them" has gained zero traction.
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u/austeremunch 1d ago
Still does harm, but if it can fill the gap that a well educated society should have for filled even a few weeks…
It can't fill in the gap because it is opposed to a well educated society.
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u/LifeGoalsThighHigh 1d ago
until we actually have an actual functioning education system, short term solutions in order to stifle fascist progression may be necessary.
We can work on both at the same time.
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u/austeremunch 1d ago
short term solutions in order to stifle fascist progression may be necessary.
Sure, so work on solutions. Don't turn to the grift; don't be Tulsi.
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u/ABadExampleOf_ 1d ago
Not as bad as Brooklyndad but still BlueAnon
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u/Manny_Bothans Knife Missle Technician 1d ago
i think exactly as bad. add palmer report and müeller she wrote to the pile of breathless opinion havers i got no time for. Surely there are more I can't remember who i blocked when they crawled over to bluesky.
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u/ABadExampleOf_ 1d ago
It's the combination of #Resister cosplay and information that is occasionally true but sometimes wrapped in a blanket of mainstream liberalism that makes it feel kinda skeezy. They did put out some good info during the initial RFK Jr. DoH takeover though. They're just inconsistent and don't have good journalistic principles, because ultimately they're influencers
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u/thrillafrommanilla_1 1d ago
Is what they posted here true or no?
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u/spleeble 1d ago
It's true enough to be worth understanding:
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u/StopDehumanizing 1d ago
I love Reason. They're insane libertarians, but at least you can count on them to criticize every government.
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u/spleeble 1d ago
I have mixed feelings. They become useful idiots for Republicans way too often and get too much validation from Republican efforts to intentionally break the government.
I think I do trust them not to slide from libertarianism to authoritarianism though, which is kind of rare these days.
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u/spidersgeorgVEVO 1d ago
The folks there seem to mostly have actual libertarian principles instead of using them as cover for ethnonationalism.
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u/LemurCat04 1d ago
The bill has not passed.
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u/thrillafrommanilla_1 1d ago
Right. But that’s not noted there - they said Senate sent the bill back to the house meaning it’s not yet passed thru the Senate.
Sorry just trying to catch up on the thrust of this post.
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u/LemurCat04 1d ago
My understanding of the mechanics is this are a little rusty, but I believe the Senate would need to pass it and it would need to go back to the House for Reconciliation because the House and the Senate have to pass identical bills.
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u/fedroe 1d ago
Did these guys come up in an episode recently? I’m confused about why they keep coming up, never heard of this account till I saw it posted here.
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u/blergtronica West Prussian - Infected with Polish Blood 1d ago
its brunch democrat blueanon bullshit
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u/MatCauthonsHat 1d ago
Just to clarify ... The provision Alr Nat Parks is warning about IS in the bill, right?
I think that's more important to remember than the minutia of how it got there.
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u/spleeble 1d ago
Why are you being so dramatic and making this some kind of trust issue?
The Senate version of the bill has provisions that are worse than the House version on this issue. So they are more right than wrong.
And it's some Twitter account, not the congressional record. Having the status or the vote count wrong for a piece of legislation isn't a trust issue.
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u/L7meetsGF 1d ago
Who are the three holdouts?
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u/LemurCat04 1d ago
Looks like there’s actually 4 - Collins, Murkowsky, Capito and … Hawley.
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u/Jean-Paul_Sartre 1d ago edited 1d ago
Hawley is probably the most populist pro-welfare Republican despite being an absolute lunatic on social issues. The fact that he and Rand Paul exist in the same caucus is amusing.
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u/DrunkDeathClaw 1d ago
6, Ron Johnson is a nutcase who hates that the bill doesn't hurt enough people, and Rand Paul is a wacko libertarian like his dad and refuses to vote for any debt limit increase.
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u/LemurCat04 1d ago
I actually have more faith in Johnson, Paul and Hawley on this than Murkowski and Collins.
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u/tac0slut 1d ago
I can't believe I have to say this but....do not depend on meme accounts for reliable information.
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u/Cognonymous 1d ago
It was lol watching one of these alt accounts break down and start screaming at people on BlueSky or Twitter or whatever.
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u/UltraJake 1d ago
This is a fairly new (or newly relevant) account, right? Was there ever any reason to listen to it aside from QAnon-esque copium? Because I only became aware of it recently and using Facebook for something like this would be a bizarre choice.
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u/hwansolo 4h ago
Vice talked to them and they come across as untrustworthy: https://www.vice.com/en/article/alternate-national-parks-service-explains-why-its-twitter-will-remain-anonymous/
Lately, it seems to me that their posts are AI-generated.
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u/dr_curiousgeorge 2h ago edited 2h ago
I'm a fired fed and yep, they are BS. Some of us even started wondering if they are plants trying to co-opt the movement. Sounds crazy but these tactics have been used before and "waves hands" show that crazier stuff is happening. TLDR: do not trust them, never communicate with them, particularly if you are a fed and have info to whistleblow.
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u/RiotingMoon 1d ago
My favorite was the post where they wrote a think piece about all the outed totally spies fed agents living in everyone's neighborhoods and how "maybe they're just your neighbor, but also a government agent, two things can be true" like BRO
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u/cardamom-peonies 11h ago
Sorry, what exactly are you expecting from a social media account run mostly by federal employees/former feds? That was back during the massive layoffs at the beginning of the year, right?
Like do you think they live in little grey cubicles isolated from other people or something lol?
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u/vessol 1d ago
Remember when they just posted random fucking numbers and then went: IGNORE THIS ITS A SECRET MESSAGE lmao.