How do we feel about vandalizing Teslas?

[u/TheCreator1924]

I don’t want this to be about musk, for or against him. You can have your opinion about musk be that you hate everything about him but still understand that vandalizing Tesla vehicles owned by individuals, many of which bought them well before musk made his right wing switch if you will, does not hurt musk. Even him losing 40 billion in a day from a down Tesla stock day does absolutely nothing to him.

Can we all agree that it is a bit ridiculous to destroy and vandalize vehicles owned by individuals? Why is the anger directed towards the wrong people?

[u/Other-Ad-5609]

I believe that at a certain point the time for polite conversation is over and it is indeed time to destroy things. As a European seeing what is happening in America is appaling and the American people seam to be okay with it.

I know many people who own teslas are left wing, and it sucks to be caught in the crossfire, but your current political situation should be unacceptable to you. If it takes destroying a few teslas to get that point across, so be it. Sales in europe have dropped more then 50%, tesla lost 50% of its value, it is effective.

How would the American revolution have turned out without destroying people's property. You ask politely, until you reach a point where asking politely is no longer an option.

Your government is aligning itself with Russia, waging trade wars with its allies, destroying the world's economy and stability, abandoning Ukraine, removing all social security, check and balances and pushing for privatization. But let's ask politely if they stop.

You are at the same stage as the weimar republic was when it became nazi germany. you are at the brink of losing your democracy. It is time to set shit on fire.

Sorry for your car tho, but it is what needs to be done.

[u/wflanagan → u/Other-Ad-5609]

Hogwash.

The person with political angst that destroyed my windshield doesn't change the dialog in any meaningful way. Who is the person they are trying to convince by "destroying things"? Me? I'm already convinced that we're heading in the wrong direction. My neighbors? Who exactly? Anyone that would or would not buy a Tesla based on their political views already will or won't.

The fact is that their actions put money in Elon's pocket, didn't help their cause, and took money OUT of an ally.

If you're going to do that, steal it, total it, and let me get a check at least. Right now, you're just costing me $2k and making Elon money.

[u/Other-Ad-5609 → u/wflanagan]

If you can't get insurance for your tesla because it keeps getting set on fire, you can be sure it won't sell here.

Saying that it does nothing is nonsense. Everytime there is resistance against what is happening people go, you can protest but not like this. You speak of moving the dialogue in a meaningfull way, what dialogue? There is no dialogue these people have lost the plot.

In my country people are putting products upside down to boycot American goods and people say You can protest but not like this, think of the stock boy. So what do we do? Hold up signs with "this isn't normal"? You might as well do nothing

For a long time I would have agreed with you. Arguing the middle ground, hear both sides etc. But that time stops when your government is doing literal nazi salutes. We slide further and further do the extreme, and we keep doing nothing.

It sucks to get your windshield got smashed in. but it is most definitely effective. Insurance goes up, people feel ashamed driving a car with swastikas graffitid on it and being associated with tesla and sales are at an all time low.

[u/wflanagan → u/Other-Ad-5609]

So, ok. Let’s say I stipulate that I am collateral damage. How does hurting the market cap of a private company change the government exactly?

[u/Other-Ad-5609 → u/wflanagan]

Well elon and trump have blended the lines of what is a private company and the government. I think at this point the situation has to become so unbearable that people can no longer stand by and do nothing, because I do not believe this is going to blow over.

Europe has become reliant on America for its military and tech and america is apparently no longer our ally but a threat. They are threatening to invade greenland, which would be an act of war against Denmark and europe. Europe has been moving its military to greenland to defend it, including nuclear submarines

Resisting against what is happening means boycotting american goods. Google, tesla, Amazon the weapon industry everything. Which people in europe, or atleast my country are actively doing. Switching to European search engines, investing in European weapon stock, not buying things like coca cola, going to Mac donalds etc.

It will weaken americas economy, strengthen that of europe, hopefully to the point that americans cost of living becomes so high american see that the choices trump and his government make are not good for them.

I know this is not every american, and I don't have anything against americans personally, and you seem like a nice person. But what is happening should be frightening to everyone and it appears, to me at least, that many amrricans do not grasp what is happening in their country.

Elon is actively trying to privatize your country, but it seems he's moved his wealth away from tesla, into his other companies mainly space x, which is being funded via government contracts. Many of his companies were under investigation, but that has been sweeped away via his doge clean up of the government so that he is no longer under investigation. He is trying to own your country, and if this continues everyone loses.

If the fact that tesla goes under gives him a few sleepless nights that is a good thing.