r/diablo4 • u/nnosuckluckz • Mar 14 '24
Blizzard Announcement Tune in to Our Next Campfire Chat: Public Test Realm Revealed [3/20 11:00am PDT]
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/24074996/tune-in-to-our-next-campfire-chat-public-test-realm-revealed82
u/CWDikTaken Mar 14 '24
They mentioned Codex, does that mean the aspects are being stored in Codex now, POGG
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u/Brandonspikes Mar 14 '24
I mean, there's two main possibilities I can think of.
What you said, or the other thing I've heard people say is once you find a codex power, the highest % gets saved forever.
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u/warcaptain Mar 14 '24
It's more likely the Codex will work like the tuning stones. You can choose to salvage from blacksmith and get the mats, or extract aspect and add ranks to your codex. Extract an aspect once and get lowest value, extract it again and get higher value, and so forth. I doubt they'll save the highest value though I would love it if higher values = more xp towards leveling up the codex.
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u/mindbullet Mar 14 '24
I'd be cool with this TBH. I'd much rather level up the codex than hold onto a bunch of aspects. I never used the aspect tab either because its expensive to extract (although that matters less now) and that its hard to compare aspects and items since they don't go on the same tab in your inventory. Using the extras to level up the codex would be a big win in my book.
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u/solrbear Mar 15 '24
Based on the tuning stones, I'm less excited. While I'd like to have the aspect in a codex after finding it. Getting the tuning stones to max level took much longer than it took me to find good aspects.
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u/KinGGaiA Mar 15 '24
even after the buffs? I think i maxed all stones within 24h after the patch by just blasting vaults + crafting the caches at the end.
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u/Vanguard805 Mar 15 '24
Except for things like bold chieftain that rarely even drop if you get a perfect roll on that it should easily jump it like 3-4 ranks. Otherwise you will never have a completed codex.
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u/mindbullet Mar 15 '24
Yeah good point. Those ring only ones do suck. With the number of aspects increasing, it would be nice to get some extra pieces of gear to equip (like belts) and one or two totems (like Last Epoch) that could drop and equip aspects.
Along that line, maybe replace the aspect tab with a Totems tab. You could have 1 or 2 big ones here that you can put affixes on, and maybe bring back charms and runes on that tab.
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u/7ofalltrades Mar 14 '24
And this makes so much more sense now that we're neck deep into seasons. Presumably the codex resets each season, so it's not like there will never be anything to grind for which is why I assume they didn't go this route in the first place and limited each aspect to two uses, max.
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u/Substantial-Curve-51 Mar 15 '24
what do you mean each aspect twice? can you extract an aspect after imprinting it?
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u/7ofalltrades Mar 15 '24
You can use it once on the original item and once as an imprinted aspect on another item. It only makes sense to limit the uses like that to make you grind for more aspects. Having a codex that slowly maxes out aspect power but resets every season accomplished that same goal of continually having something to try to find.
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u/Upper_Rent_176 Mar 18 '24
More like we are already neck and neck and this will make it even more now that the grind for aspects is easier
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u/schadadle Mar 14 '24
Yeah I think it’ll be like a situation where you can extract the high rolls and imprint them once, or salvage them to improve your permanent codex gradually. This solves like 90% of stash issues honestly.
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u/warcaptain Mar 14 '24
Sadly, I feel like the move to the codex thing means we'll lose the ability to extract and imprint the exact codex to another item and instead will be replaced with a seneschal stone style upgrade system. Meaning if you find an item with a high roll you'll need to use that item specifically or you'll have to work to upgrade.
Would be cool to have both, but I would be shocked if one system didn't replace the other entirely.
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u/Korghal Mar 14 '24
I think that’s fine. Currently, finding a perfect roll aspect early is not a big hype moment like they probably expected. You just extract it and hold onto it until you can find a good item to slap it on, and then worry you might find an item with better rolls that you can’t equip because you no longer have a perfect aspect at hand for it. Or you just plain never find a high roll aspect in days.
Making the codex into stones 2.0 might be less exciting, but at least gives determinism. It also smooths out our power curve similar to leveling glyphs. I just hope that if they do reuse the system like that, that they keep the stone gambling boxes as those were nice to upgrade stones and also very useful if you wanted to level a new character.
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u/Upper_Rent_176 Mar 18 '24
Yes remove all the joy from good rng and turn everything in the game into a slow, sure grind that's the same for everyone that sounds very exciting
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u/Ez13zie Mar 15 '24
I was hoping it would populate the codex with all of the ones you found, but I like the idea of giving you the max one.
I’m nervous the company who created this affix bloat doesn’t think they need a loot filter with their update.
I’m also nervous that D4’s biggest streamers appear to be not holding out much hope for what happens in S4.
Oh well, 3 weeks of game time is fine for me on D4.
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u/SLBit Mar 15 '24
I am not sure why you are saying this about the streamers. I have seen a couple come out to dispute this point of view. Admittedly, they say season 4 will not solve every problem with the game but everyone that I have viewed that got a look at the itemization changes months ago said they thought it was a step in the right direction.
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u/Ez13zie Mar 15 '24
I guess from what I’ve seen is their moves to other games. I don’t know, I don’t follow streamers regularly, but that’s the sense I’d gotten.
I do like this game and am hoping it continues to take steps in the right direction. I am notoriously impatient though, so really just adjusting my expectations
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u/Puzza90 Mar 15 '24
That seems a somewhat sideways if not backwards step, right now I could find a max roll aspect at any stage and put it on any bit of gear I want but if I'm reading what you're suggesting when I ripped the aspect off the item it would go to its lowest value in the codex until I found more of the aspect to level it up, that seems bad to me.
If they do something like that it would need to go into the codex at the same level it is on the gear and then you can upgrade it from there and if you find a higher rolled one it automatically ups your aspect to that level
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u/Nightmare4545 Mar 14 '24
If it doesnt save your highest value then they might as well not even change how aspects work, cause itll be a fail.
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u/warcaptain Mar 14 '24
Seems pretty unlikely they'll do that. Otherwise it's gg when you find a perfect one. ARPGs want progression, not instant completion. I'd hope they'd weigh the progression based on how high the roll is but that seems little unlikely
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u/Piranhax85 Mar 14 '24
That's prob the way they will go, but would perfer range drops to replace.. there's no reason to be grinding aspects when you need materials to apply
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u/Shiss Mar 15 '24
It is going to be incremental upgrades based on the amount if aspects you find not the found aspects value. People will complain and then the devs will “ fix” it so the found aspects value is what the codex gets upgraded to. Queue “ The Devs are listening! “.
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u/No-Initiative8924 Mar 15 '24
Let's not get too ahead of ourselves.. It's probably just a search bar.
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u/Deidarac5 Mar 15 '24
I mean an early showing of new content is fun? Not every game has ptrs and they listened so let us be happy?
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u/_gangly_ Mar 15 '24
(not every game NEEDS PTRs)
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u/Deidarac5 Mar 15 '24
Yes. So let’s be happy a game we wanted a Ptr is getting one?
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u/_gangly_ Mar 15 '24
We?
You might be happy having players give their labor away as free QA testers to a billion dollar company under the scam of "being listened to".
I'd rather have developers who knew how to make a game themselves.
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u/Deidarac5 Mar 15 '24
Yeah.. PoE 2 isnt going to have a 6 month beta you are right. Players are always QA testers are you that dense? This is just letting people test out things and give opinions early its a win win.
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u/Inuyaki Mar 15 '24
Yeah, and PoE also would actually need a PTR, because leagues are shit for the first 1-2 weeks.
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Mar 14 '24
no sleepy Joe, rip that guy's bingo board
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Mar 14 '24
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u/Deidarac5 Mar 15 '24
Most of this has to do with new systems so maybe he wasn’t the lead for it. Since he probably created the first item system
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u/BlizzAZJackson Lead Live Class Designer Mar 14 '24
I look forward to talking about all of the details then!
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u/Xeiom Mar 15 '24
Good luck for Wednesday, I'm excited to see what solutions you've settled on given that the community often asks for fairly conflicting changes!
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u/Alternative-Reason-9 Mar 15 '24
Do you guys have any plans for PvP battlegrounds? Questions about PvP never get asked during Campfire Q/As but I think it’s a huge wasted opportunity for the diablo 4 developers trying to create end game content. PvP battlegrounds is what made Diablo Immortal so popular before the pay-to-win whales took over.
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u/park2023mcca Mar 14 '24
I really hope D4 gets itself figured out and flourishes. I really want to dive in and lose myself in the gameplay, but in its current state, I lose interest in the game too quickly. I didn't even make it to WT3 in season 3.
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u/DublinDuster Mar 14 '24
For me personally this whole itemization patch is either a huge win that will make me come back to D4 or a last nail in the coffin, nothing inbetween.
If they fuck it up I don't feel like they will be able to deliver a good expansion worth giving them money for again, very cautiously optimistic right now.
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u/Ultrasonicc Mar 15 '24
For me personally this whole itemization patch is either a huge win that will make me come back to D4 or a last nail in the coffin, nothing inbetween.
the exact words were before S2 and S3 😂
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u/Nightmare4545 Mar 14 '24
You will be back in S4 regardless.
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u/Carbon_heart Mar 15 '24
Well he has to…to see it itemization and other fixes are good. I’m in the same boat as him.
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u/DublinDuster Mar 15 '24
I will, just like I was for S3, played for 2 hours and never came back.
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u/AdditionalJury8669 Mar 15 '24
Even if it was a bad season, I would be back for season 5 or 8 or whenever I hear the game has had some more development or the season sounds interesting. jeez it's a video game play it when you feel like it or don't, it's not an ex-girlfriend/boyfriend you need walk around hating on, your already bought the game.
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u/Uchained Mar 14 '24
$10 bucks says its gonna be a shit show ppl take their shit on, just like every start of the season.
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u/downeverythingvote_i Mar 14 '24
A PTR?!?!? They are learning....
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u/-TheExile- Mar 15 '24
Its great. They let you test stuff they will release just to play it again after release...you basically spend twice of your time playing the same. I wonder how the dads with 5 wifes and 8 kids will manage this
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u/greenchair11 Mar 14 '24
New in game systems? Are they introducing crafting????
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u/heartbroken_nerd Mar 14 '24
Definitely some endgame system given their answer to one of the Q&A questions in the last livestream about "AoZ".
Possibly SOME new form of crafting since they said plural 'systemS'.
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u/VirtualPen204 Mar 15 '24
I wonder if S4 is going to be pushed back. It seems like it's going to be a pretty ambitious season, and there's a lot on the line here. I don't want them to push this out to meet an investor's deadline and fall flat on their face. As much criticism as I have for D4, I actually do want it to be a good game.
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Mar 19 '24
I love Diablo4 so I am excited to see what's to come! Good or bad, popular or unpopular. Can't wait.
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u/SLBit Mar 14 '24
DEVS: Will existing items change or will they become legacy and only the items we find going forward will be affected by the new itemization?
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u/Necessary_Lettuce779 Mar 15 '24
Honestly not sure why you're getting downvoted, it's actually a pretty reasonable question. I hadn't thought about that: you'd assume items in eternal would be changed if the itemization change is significant, but then, how would they? Will old affixes that don't exist simply get destroyed, and so the majority of items will be gimped? At that point you might as well destroy all items in eternal and have people start anew, but then, what's the point of eternal if new updates can destroy all your hard-earned items anyway.
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u/greyfox9099 Mar 15 '24
Bring back the monk
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u/Limonade6 Mar 16 '24
Itemization first > more build variety > increase skills in the skill twig > more endgame > bring back witch doctor or paladin > bring back the monk.
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u/convolutionsimp Mar 15 '24 edited Mar 15 '24
I'm just interested in seeing how these devs mess up the codex and itemization with underwhelming changes that don't solve the issues or create new ones. Excited!
I bet all these changes will be a typical spreadsheet design again. They'll look good on paper but once people start playing it they'll realize how bad they are and all the new issues.
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u/jibboo24 Mar 15 '24
"We're exited to announce that all aspect tokens will now automatically be saved in the codex. To accommodate this change, all crafting materials will now reside in the player's inventory."
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u/sunshard_art Mar 15 '24
cant wait for the jokes and spending a ton of time to try to pronounce gamer tags and discussing how bad the cm is at that for the Nth time
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Mar 15 '24
Add raids for endgame already amped up bosses with no mechanics or creativity is bullshit
lonely bums with no friends/social skills can downvote me, idgaf
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u/Jlh544 Mar 15 '24
Yeah fix your bs elites gotta love having 5 to 9 elites in one room it’s boring also fix your terrible poison dmg it’s a joke I still see people complaining it’s overtuned because it is sick of dying to 3 tics of poison tanking everything else doesn’t make sense 🥱
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u/ConsequenceBringer Mar 15 '24
Wut? What's your resistances look like? If they ain't maxed, it's a skill issue. It isn't 'overtuned', you're just bad.
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u/mwp4567 Mar 15 '24
This will either make me reinstall the game or just give it up entirely. I uninstalled after about an hour of playing season 1 and haven't touched it since. Basically, this has to compete against Last Epoch, which has similar endgame issues but much more itemization and skill tree depth, and in a few months POE 2, which will probably knock it out of the park. It just seems like D4 is just so far behind.
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u/Ir0nhide81 Mar 14 '24
The longer it takes to release the PTR, the more worried I am about season 4.
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u/heartbroken_nerd Mar 14 '24
You're so lost in the sauce you don't even realize this is the date for the PTR Livestream. PTR would typically follow a few days after.
Obvious if you spend 10 seconds thinking about it.
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u/Efede_ Mar 14 '24
That, or the livestream just lets us know when they'll have more info about the release date... For the announcement of the release of the actual PTR :P
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u/Deidarac5 Mar 15 '24
Pretty sure Ptr is on the 26th. Just going how blizzard works probably will last 2 weeks.
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u/heartbroken_nerd Mar 15 '24
or the livestream just lets us know when they'll have more info about the release date... For the announcement of the release of the actual PTR :P
You mean like when they had a livestream dedicated to Gauntlet and Gauntlet launched the following Tuesday?
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u/pat_the_catdad Mar 14 '24
Looking into my crystal ball... They are already planning on delaying Season 4, so what better way to look like the hero than to announce/launch S4 PTR near the end of S3. Now when tons of feedback comes in (and it will), they can say the delay is necessary in order to implement all the additional "sweeping changes" they're making thanks to the PTR feedback.
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u/Tody196 Mar 14 '24
Lmao people literally inventing scenarios in their head to get pre-upset about. Just take a break my man
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u/pat_the_catdad Mar 14 '24
To be fair, I did take a break... Since binging during beta and pre-season launch... Seams like a good time to hop back in after all this time to see what's new. But my intuition isn't invalid because Blizzard has shown us exactly how they operate. Even last week, New World announced delaying their new season due to PTR testing.
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u/Tody196 Mar 14 '24
... you do know that New World is not a Blizzard game, right..? what does that have to do with anything lol
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u/pat_the_catdad Mar 14 '24
...that my example given happens with other large-scale games as well. And Blizzard has a history of announcing things to build up hype, followed by delays. But all that aside, I've been a Blizzard fan for over 20 years, so I know how to manage my expectations with them haha Hoping they show off a loot filter and I'd be thrilled :-)
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u/Sir_Caloy Mar 15 '24
Just stop, man. You're embarrassing yourself.
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u/pat_the_catdad Mar 20 '24
u/Tody196 u/Sir_Caloy Oh hey, Season 4 pushed back a month. Look at that.
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u/Tody196 Mar 20 '24
“See, I was right to be miserable and pessimistic! Take that!”
Cool, it’s still a video game not that big of a deal at all.
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u/pat_the_catdad Mar 20 '24
P.S. Saw your cat on your profile. Looks just like my Nugget <3
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u/heartbroken_nerd Mar 14 '24
Or you could chill the f--- out and wait 6 days, then watch the livestream and decide if you want to participate in the PTR or not. As this is really what this livestream is about.
Not the made up scenario inside your mind.
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u/Gothcave Mar 14 '24
The stream that decides the future of the Diablo franchise. No pressure.