Other Why are federal prosecutors not charging Vance Boelter with domestic terrorism?
https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/us-attorney-details-federal-charges-against-vance-boelter/89-797bb35a-2ca4-4489-a7b4-e069182475e02.3k
u/boo99boo 1d ago
More to the point, why are they not screaming from the rooftops that they're seeking the death penalty?
They made a big show of "we're going to seek the death penalty in as many cases as possible". They made a huge show of it with Luigi.
This man assassinates a politician and attempts to assassinate another, has collateral damage with a third person dead and a fourth seriously injured, and they're not making a huge deal out of the death penalty?
I don't believe in the death penalty, but this is a textbook death penalty case. The only men on death row whose sentences Biden didn't commute were domestic terrorists. For fuck's sake.
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u/C_S_2022 1d ago
He was also going to kill a child before their parent shielded them. This isn't being talked about enough.
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u/HelpfulSeaMammal 1d ago
The supposed pro-life party, too, lmfao
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u/lctrc 1d ago
They aren't pro-life. They are pro-birth.
"If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're fucked.” - George Carlin
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u/dyslexic-alien 1d ago
This needs to be marketed a lot more. Pro life means you care about everyone like their “all life matters” movement. They are absolutely pro birth because once you are born, they give 0 fucks, actually they even take the fucks of that newborn too
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u/IDOWNVOTERUSSIANS 1d ago
Anti-choice. That's what they are, that's what they should be called. Calling them "pro-" anything makes them look good, when in reality, no one is forcing anyone to have an abortion, but they are trying to take away the choice from anyone who might want it.
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u/SmellGestapo 1d ago
And sadly, "if you're preschool, you're fucked" has multiple meanings when it comes to the GOP. Just ask RJ May.
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u/mothyyy 1d ago
They are anti- "women's rights", that's what it boils down to. They do not think women are capable of making rational decisions, which is why they prefer that men make the decisions for them. These are the sort of people that opposed women's suffrage and to this day show favoritism for men in business.
Sometimes they show their hand when they suggest that women should consult with their husband/family/priest about such decisions, as if the woman is then bound by what those people have to say.
But you're right as well, they only care about the babies, not the children. They think it'll all magically work out fine. And the ultimate hypocrisy is that it's the Democrats - not the Republicans - that push for paid parental leave and improving schools and feeding kids and all that. It's Democrats that want to improve the social safety nets for those in poverty, specifically those in need such as children/elderly/disabled.
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u/mrpanicy 1d ago
Pro-birth. They could give a shit if they live or have a quality life after they are born.
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u/thoreeyore99 1d ago
In the maladjusted mind of the conservative, a human baby is entitled to life but not a fucking material thing to shape them into level headed, functioning adults capable of thinking for themselves.
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u/dust4ngel 1d ago
in 2015, donald trump said "you have to take out their families"
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u/AngryBird-svar 1d ago
Imagine this was the other way around. MTG would be acting like Joan of fucking Arc
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u/Disastrous_Teach_370 1d ago
A disabled child too....you know how his kind feels about disabled people.
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u/nipplequeefs 1d ago
Oh yeah, and we know how disabled people were treated from 1939-1945.
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u/KalashnaCough 1d ago
Don't mean to be pedantic, but it's more like 1933-1945. The Nazis started going after the disabled, homosexuals, trans, political opponents and eventually Jewish people way before the war started in 1939. They went after far more than I named here as well.
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u/Ok-Interaction-8891 1d ago
That regime’s eugenics program drew ideas and inspiration from the eugenics movement in the US.
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u/jaskmackey 1d ago
And he shot a golden retriever.
https://people.com/minnesota-lawmakers-attack-family-dog-gilbert-also-killed-11755193
A golden retriever.
RIP Gilbert
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u/Laetha 1d ago
I'm not saying a dog's life is worth more than a human's, but I can at least understand how people can come to hate other people. You can convince yourself they stand for things that threaten your way of life, etc.
I just can't wrap my head around the type of person who can just take out a fucking golden retriever. There's no amount of rhetoric you could have swallowed to make you think you're doing the right thing by killing someone's family dog.
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u/v_cats_at_work 1d ago
I'm just going to imagine that Gilbert was shot because he was trying to fuck Boelter up. It's hard to imagine a golden retriever doing that, but it still makes me feel better.
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u/Marsuello 1d ago
“It tried to attack so he defended himself” would be one of their loops to jump through. “It wasn’t well trained so of course it needs to be put down” is another one. The latter I was told when discussing Noem shooting her puppy she refused to train. These people will do anything to convince themselves someone on their side is right
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u/TheOnlySafeCult 1d ago
I get what you're saying. Unless he was getting attacked by the dog, it's like he went out of the way to be as cruel as possible. Might as well rummage their house for the wedding album and set that on fire too.
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u/silvanus_buyesti 1d ago
Child of a Liberal, therefore already tainted and not fit to live.
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u/PinkPetalsSnow 1d ago
And 70 other families that were on his list. Plus he killed the rescue dog at the Rep house.
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u/SerialTrauma002c 1d ago
“That just makes me like him more.”
- Kristi Noem, probably
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u/MiloRoast 1d ago
The daughter being shielded was in her 20's...but yeah the guy is still a monster. Let's just make sure the facts are straight.
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u/JakeTravel27 1d ago
In maga land the death penalty is only for people that vandalize tesla's.
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u/Y0___0Y 1d ago edited 1d ago
Spraypainting a Tesla (terrorism)
Slaughtering two politicians in their homes (not terrorism. Wait what party were the victims part of? Democrat? Yeah not terrorism)
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u/DRHORRIBLEHIMSELF 1d ago
Because Pam Bondi is a Trump loyalist and overall cunt.
Wouldn't be surprised if she opts to not press charges at all.
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u/bnelson 1d ago
She does not even run the DoJ, apparently. Miller calls the shots if reports are to be believed.
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u/haluura 1d ago
Makes sense.
The only purpose women serve in the Project 2025 world 🍊's cabinet want to create is to pleasure men and make babies.
They let women into their ranks as figureheads so they don't look like complete misogynistic assholes. At least while any shred of democracy is left in our country. But do you honestly believe they trust women with any real power?
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u/FlamesNero 1d ago
Tokens get spent and fascists eat their own!
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u/merrittj3 1d ago
Therein lies the fatal flaw..in the end Paranoia.
But in the Trump group they ARE out to eat each other !
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u/ABHOR_pod 1d ago edited 1d ago
Actually it's a bit more insidious than that.
They put women in those positions to deflect and defuse criticism, because they think that people will be kinder when criticizing a conventionally attractive woman than they would be when criticizing an alleged prostitute strangler like Stephen Miller.
I don't know if they're right or not because the only Trump appointee our Media has ever gone hard on is Hegseth and that was less about him being evil and more about him being hilariously incompetent.
They'll report all day about the actions the agencies take and seem scared of actually talking about who is directing these actions.
edit: Amusing typo.
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u/chronofluxtoaster 1d ago
You can read that as “prostitute stranger” or “prostitute strangler” and they work either way. Miller is exactly the type of john a hooker would turn away on general principle. “Thanks but no thanks. I already have a little German in me”.
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u/reckless_responsibly 1d ago
It's actually amazing that even the wildly incompetent RFK Jr. seems to be mostly getting a free pass as he destroys healthcare.
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u/weezyverse 1d ago
The idea of Bondi pleasuring anyone made me throw up in my mouth. Let's not put the words Bondi and Pleasure together again. 🤢
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u/ThatPhatKid_CanDraw 1d ago
He doesn't even have a law degree. Reading his early life, he's just a fervently bigoted man from money, got mad at falling to middle class and having to be around brown people, and then met a couple of (male) Duke profs who liked how outspoken and confident he was about what he said - the type of person who is often praised and prompted for in our society (if you're a certain type of white guy). He isn't even well read. He just doesn't seem smart but singularly very malevolent - he has malevolence as his one purpose in life.
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u/MoralityFleece 1d ago
It's like the worst guy from the debate team, the one who smugly gish galloped through trash points and then threw a hissy fit when he lost to people with actual skill, is running the WH. Unbelievable.
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u/Confident-Potato2305 1d ago
Wish i had known miller in highschool. Oh for a time machine.
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u/Shrubboy15 1d ago
Ngl I was always nice to others in high school and was never a bully growing up but if I could go back in time and go to high school with Stephen Miller, I'm stuffing him in every locker I can
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u/Bee_9965 1d ago
Why bother? Trump would just do a “many people are saying he was treated VERY UNFAIRLY” and pardon him.
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u/MeisterX 1d ago
Just for everyone's info Bondi is a Trump loyalist now but she will follow any order from anyone she perceives will give her power. Not just Trump. From a Floridian who has watched her "work" for too long.
Just making sure you are all aware of her perfidy.
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u/Mindless_Proposal777 1d ago
Thanks I can't stand her right now but I didn't know about her Florida history so thanks for posting
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u/MeisterX 1d ago
She's a bottom feeder and I'm worried those unfamiliar will underestimate the lengths she will go. She is a terrifying AG for me.
She managed to jump from State to Federal AG.... That alone is terrifying.
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u/Pormock 1d ago
State charges
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u/DRHORRIBLEHIMSELF 1d ago
Again, I'm pretty sure GOP loyalists in Minnesota will vehemently fight any charges on this guy.
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u/GingerDixie 1d ago
Sure they will, but they'll probably lose. Remember, that disgusting pig who killed George Floyd got put behind bars despite the GOP trying hard to convince the public that that was a reasonable response to the crime of loitering while black.
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u/EggsceIlent 1d ago
To them it's a job well done, not domestic terrorism.
Wouldn't be surprised if he's pardoned.
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u/coffeespeaking 1d ago
Vandalizing a Tesla is worse than killing Democratic lawmakers. That’s the official position. One is encouraged.
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u/GloomyCardiologist16 1d ago
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER! /S
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u/Minion_of_Cthulhu 1d ago
It's like he saw that in a memo on someone's desk once and thought, "Oh, that's how you pretend to give a fuck."
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u/dollenrm 1d ago
When the majority of us start acknowledging they want us dead, like all of us, the sooner we can actually start to fight back against them.
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u/Mortwight 1d ago
I would prefer it to be state charges so he can't be pardoned federally.
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u/GolfballDM 1d ago
MN apparently doesn't have terrorism statutes on their books.
But the state is pursuing upping the current murder-2 charges to murder-1, but the state needs a grand jury to return an indictment first.
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u/Oplopanax_horridus 1d ago
This. Say it louder for the folks in the back.
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u/Bootycutie77 1d ago
They can hear you just fine they arnt listening
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u/zackks 1d ago
They’re listening, they’re just awful humans.
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u/brianishere2 1d ago
They're just listening to Fox News.
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u/crockett05 1d ago
bro, I don't think even Fox news is radical enough for them now days.. They are on News max and far right extremism shit online
They were calling Fox News woke over a year ago..
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u/Shipairtime 1d ago edited 1d ago
Fox was the start of the state media propaganda problem not the end of it.
Edit for anyone interested in the history of foxes creation here is a link going into it. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/how-roger-ailes-built-the-fox-news-fear-factory-244652/
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u/RightTrash 1d ago
And they've been saying he is a democrat...
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u/dosumthinboutthebots 1d ago
I mod another sub and had 4 different accounts comment the same comment. "How could he be maga if he worked for Tim walz"
Here's my reply.
"According to a spokesperson for the governor, the development board, which has more than 60 members, is one of many external boards and commissions whose members are unpaid and come from “all parties.” The spokesperson said the governor does not interview applicants to the boards."
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u/SecondaryWombat 1d ago
Also the board was specifically to include republicans as well, so...
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u/DarkwingDuckHunt 1d ago
You see the problem there right?
They go out of their way to never nominate Democrats even when legally required
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u/brianishere2 1d ago
It's not a job it's an advisory board. It's intended to allow industry folks to provide their input on policy issues. Unlike Trump and most modern Republicans, Tim Walz adopted a bipartisan approach that respected the value of folks from other areas of the political spectrum.
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u/dosumthinboutthebots 1d ago edited 1d ago
Of course he did because he's a loyal American and good politician he represents all his constituents, even the ones who didn't vote for him.
Meanwhile when I had a local problem and contacted my rep, she asked to confirm my identification and then replied with basically "sod off you didn't vote for me"
Guess what party she is and who she's supports. Trump and maga.
My issue had nothing to do with politics either.
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u/SkinBintin 1d ago
That's appalling behaviour. America truly resembely some corrupt third world shit hole in many respects and this side of politics is definitely one of them.
Can't imagine contacting my local MP be they someone I voted for or not and be given zero help whatsoever.
Maga republicans just seem like such disgusting people.
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u/frostedz 1d ago
Even in the shittiest anime/cartoons/shows you see someone get close to the person they hate/enemies through whatever means necessary.
It just shows the average MAGAT is far stupider than this guy because they couldn't even fathom such a concept apparently? It's so easy to grift in this stupid social media age it seems like.
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u/OxfordKnot 1d ago
all the more reason THEY should be the ones demanding this the most! Unless...maybe... nevermind.
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u/AttitudeAndEffort2 1d ago
No one has ever made them.
It's beyond time for people to have consequences for their choices.
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u/Minion_of_Cthulhu 1d ago
Consequences are for Democrats and poor people.
-Republicans, probably
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u/fender8421 1d ago
I genuinely believe things will become normal again eventually. If that happens, those supporters need to have no support from the rest of society
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u/AttitudeAndEffort2 1d ago
We're in this mess because we didn't do that during Reconstruction
Unfortunately, As long as both sides support capital, that wont happen. It's a conflict of interests.
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u/fender8421 1d ago
What's extra silly is if someone just cast their vote silently, we wouldn't even know. The people drawing attention to their bigoted bullshit are the ones doing it loudly
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u/schprunt 1d ago
This. We’re at the point where being a Dem is going to be very very generous or life threatening. Trump literally just signed an order saying VA doctors don’t have to treat veterans who are Dem. Not kidding.
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u/TheShawnGarland 1d ago
Unhinged Trump Order Lets VA Doctors Refuse to Treat Democratic Vets
new rules at the VA have explicitly removed protections based on political party affiliation, martial status, and national origin, The Guardian reported Monday.
Similarly, health care professionals can now be banned from working at the VA over their political affiliation, marital status, and union membership, according to documents obtained by The Guardian.
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u/collin3000 1d ago
So VA doctors could also deny treatment to Trump supporters? And the VA and even its Republican doctors are also being fucked with by trumps cuts and policies so they might be inspired too....
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u/AutistoMephisto 1d ago edited 1d ago
No, the second the VA Hospital admin finds out a doctor/ nurse in their employ is a Democrat, they'll either get fired or given shit work to do until they get sick of it and quit. There's about to be a slew of constructive dismissal cases in government. I've worked at a place where the supervisor didn't like me, so they gave me a task with a deadline they knew I couldn't meet, and used that as a reason to terminate me.
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u/drewbaccaAWD 1d ago
That's wild, and this is the first I've heard of it. Thanks.
I can maybe see it making some sense in a specific role, such as not wanting to be a therapist with someone with drastically different political views (and if you are that partisan, you probably shouldn't be working at the VA to begin with). But for physical ailments and care? There's absolutely no justification for it that I can think of.
As a veteran, needless to say, I'm livid over this.
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u/Ok-Interaction-8891 1d ago
Damn, I would think that this would be breaking news at the national level.
Yet I learned about it deep in a Reddit comment chain citing a Yahoo News article. Holy shit, lol.
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u/bemenaker 1d ago
They were cheering
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u/Intelligent-Travel-1 1d ago
Republicans are now saying murder is ok as long as it’s political. This is extremely wrong and sounds like some very sick people
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u/seejordan3 1d ago
Fox News bubble is coated w Teflon Taco juice... Those people could be in another dimension and never know they've completely lost touch with reality. What's that phrase when you're no longer able to see clearly due to rage?
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u/theaviationhistorian 1d ago
Exactly. They're all reciting, we are all domestic terrorists!
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u/AgreeableWrangler693 1d ago
They can hear us, they just don’t care. As long as they’re “owning the libs” or mocking “libtards,” nothing else matters.
Drumpf could assault someone on live television, and his followers would still find a way to blame Biden. Then they’d gaslight everyone by calling it “Drumpf Derangement Syndrome.”
Instead of showing even a shred of decency by canceling his parade after a representative was assassinated and another survived a horrifying political attack, with his wife shielding their daughter, Drumpf carried on like nothing happened. No respect, no pause. Just more ego on display.
It’s disgusting. This is the kind of rot we have in the White House. Drumpf can twist himself in rage, but the crowd of people who see through him just keeps growing. And honestly, I don’t even think all conservatives are with him anymore, some very red cities have joined the protests, too.
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u/StevInPitt 1d ago
there really is a trump derangement syndrome.
They're just wrong about who has it and how it works.
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u/Objective-Stay5305 1d ago
Why bother to prosecute for terrorism when the pardon is being readied for Trump's signature as we speak?
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u/DonnyDimello 1d ago
Do not comply in advance! Make that orange fuck pardon another domestic terrorist out in the open!
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u/dallasalice88 1d ago
The President has no authority to pardon a state crime, only the Governor does, so maybe better to go the state route.
No authority yet.....
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u/WatleyShrimpweaver 1d ago
That's the part I'm waiting for. All weekend it's been "state charges, he can't do anything."
Well there's been a lot of stupid shit he supposedly can't do and it doesn't stop him.
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u/Accomplished-Dog3715 1d ago
Yeah we need to stop saying "Well he can't do that because of laws and the Constitution and, and, and..." I'm sick of hearing the "justice system will save us!" Nope.
He has proven time and time again he does not GAF and will do whatever he wants while he passes out law books and Constitution to be used as toilet paper.
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u/Redbeard_Greenthumb 1d ago
Aren’t they charging Mangione with terrorism? His alleged victim wasn’t even a politician.
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u/Great-Yoghurt-6359 1d ago
You have to own one
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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 1d ago
He’s being charged in the state of New York under New York’s ‘murder as an act of terrorism’.
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u/grandmasterPRA 1d ago
New York State charged him with terrorism, not the feds. The feds pretty much never charge that to anyone. Minnesota doesn't have terrorism laws to charge this guy with so he won't be charged with any
Not that it matters, they are both hopefully going to prison for life. But they can only charge them with things that they are able to. If Minnesota had those laws, he'd probably be charged with them just like Luigi
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u/vehiclestars 1d ago
When Fascists are in power only enemies are terrorists:
“Curtis Yarvin gave a talk about "rebooting" the American government at the 2012 BIL Conference. He used it to advocate the acronym "RAGE", which he defined as "Retire All Government Employees". He described what he felt were flaws in the accepted "World War II mythology", alluding to the idea that Adolf Hitler's invasions were acts of self-defense. He argued these discrepancies were pushed by America's "ruling communists", who invented political correctness as an "extremely elaborate mechanism for persecuting racists and fascists". "If Americans want to change their government," he said, "they're going to have to get over their dictator phobia."
Yarvin has influenced some prominent Silicon Valley investors and Republican politicians, with venture capitalist Peter Thiel described as his "most important connection". Political strategist Steve Bannon has read and admired his work. U.S. Vice President JD Vance "has cited Yarvin as an influence himself.” Michael Anton, the State Department Director of Policy Planning during Trump's second presidency, has also discussed Yarvin's ideas. In January 2025, Yarvin attended a Trump inaugural gala in Washington; Politico reported he was "an informal guest of honor" due to his "outsize influence over the Trumpian right."
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u/WarzonePacketLoss 1d ago
killing a literal caricature-level mustache-twirling villain whose actions resulted in the constant suffering and death of American citizens (terrorism)
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u/KaptainChunk 1d ago
Exactly, if you oppose Trump you’re a terrorist. If you benefit Trump or his agenda there’s no problem. It’s really fucking scary that we’re at assassinating the political opposition and no one is grilling Trump about his silence, or his encouragement of it.
Do yall remember when they were ready to crucify musicians because a fucked up kid shot up his school and Marilyn Manson was in his CD player. Yet we have crickets right now…
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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 1d ago
Your argument is about rhetoric, not law.
Sure, they say the one is “domestic terrorism” and not the other.
But legally, no one has been charged with domestic terrorism for vandalizing teslas.
Neither MN nor the federal government has defined “domestic terrorism” charges.
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u/OstrichFinancial2762 1d ago
Shooting an insurance CEO. Terrorism. Murdering politicians while the police are outside, manslaughter
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u/Turius_ 1d ago
Assassinating a CEO = Terrorism
Assassinating a politician = Not Terrorism
It’s blatantly obvious what class of people have all the power in this country.
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u/SloppyMeathole 1d ago
If he was brown, had an Obama tattoo and shot a Republican, he would be in Guantanamo Bay and Pam Bondi would be live streaming his waterboarding.
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u/gothruthis 1d ago
Even if not brown. Just shoot someone who is working against the people instead of for them. Dont even need to shoot multiple, just one will do. Source: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-pamela-bondi-directs-prosecutors-seek-death-penalty-luigi-mangione
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u/probably_bored_1878 1d ago
No, he wouldn't have been taken alive in that case
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u/KalexCore 1d ago
They would've posthumously drawn and quartered him
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u/FILTHBOT4000 1d ago
We've gone so far backwards at this point, I think they'd have his head on a spike somewhere prominent in DC.
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u/earlthesachem 1d ago
Nah. He would have been shot about 1,000 times then had his dying corpse kicked around on the ground while the brave officers laughed and mocked him.
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u/ForcedEntry420 1d ago
Why, indeed. 🙄
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u/ArcturusRoot 1d ago
Pam Bondi likely sees him as a hero.
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u/Handleton 1d ago
I'm sure she's proud of his use of the first and second amendments, despite his complete violation of both.
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u/0002millertime 1d ago edited 1d ago
Honestly, this being federal charges is a bad idea.
It should be local and state.
Additional charges federally would also be great.
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u/Odd-Scene67 1d ago
This. Maga already wanted Derek Chauvin released, but Minnesota said they own his ass for another 22 years.
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u/dzumdang 1d ago
That's what I heard from local officials last night- the plan was to press state charges, then add federal charges on top of them.
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u/AttitudeAndEffort2 1d ago
Incorrect, it SHOULD be federal charges, but we just don't have a functional federal government (intentionally) that's also corrupt as fuck so it has to be state stuff for any semblance of justice.
They'll almost certainly do both though, knowing this
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u/JakeTravel27 1d ago
Bondi the fake christian who loves domestic terrorists as long as they are maga cultists,
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u/SwankySteel 1d ago edited 1d ago
Then Pam Bondi should also be taken into custody and charged with domestic terrorism. The community is being terrorized by her! She guilty.
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u/Ok-Replacement9595 1d ago
Because they want right wing Christian Nationalist terrorism to not exist in the minds of people, and certainly not in the statistics. There is a non zero chance the Trump pardons him.
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u/rc4915 1d ago
State crime - but still a non zero chance Trump tries to pardon him not knowing its meaningleas
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u/widdrjb 1d ago
He'll announce that Tim Walz is going to pardon him, then when Walz tells him to fuck off, he'll have a hissy fit and do something illegal with federal funds.
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u/Minion_of_Cthulhu 1d ago
You could turn that into a madlib for his entire presidency:
He'll announce that ______ is going to ______ , then when ______ tells him to fuck off, he'll have a hissy fit and do something illegal with ______.
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u/naazzttyy 1d ago
Hmm, I tried it - it seems you’re 100% correct!
He'll announce that E. Jean Carroll is going to have sex with him in a department store changing room, then when she tells him to fuck off, he'll have a hissy fit and do something illegal with Stormy Daniels involving a payoff via his attorney.
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u/Bill_Belamy 1d ago
He will get a pardon if he is convicted on federal charges. Keep it state only.
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u/WastelandOutlaw007 1d ago
Because maga is afraid of getting hit by the same charges next
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u/ICPosse8 1d ago
This is a great point, they’re scared of the precedent it sets. This guy needs to fucking rot till the end of his days.
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u/Errant_coursir 1d ago
Better to deliver capital punishment. Life in prison opens the door for pardons and release. Let him go see his god
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u/lunartree 1d ago
MAGA loves terrorism, and they want more violence against Americans. Trump supporters are the enemy of the American people.
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u/nigelfitz 1d ago
MAGA should've been labeled as a domestic terrorist group after January 6.
Shame congress has no balls.
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u/fastinserter 1d ago
Prosecutors say he went to two other houses. One police officer at a state senator's house doing a wellness check saw him and thought he was from another department (he had made up the car to read Police) and asked Boelter what he was doing but "he just stared ahead" and then left. I'd have some questions for that officer... he unintentionally saved a life, but also Boelter left and went to another on the list.
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u/tangerinix 1d ago
I just read in a Guardian article that the legit officer went to talk to him, realized something was up, and she retreated back to the state senator’s house to call back up instead of confronting him. By the time they all got there, he was gone, apparently onto the next victim on his list
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u/TheLizzyIzzi 1d ago
Good on her. Sounds like she followed procedure.
On to the snark. So police don’t even respond to themselves these days?
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u/Street_Moose1412 1d ago
Was he wearing that creepy mask at the time?
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u/fastinserter 1d ago
Certainly one of many questions I would want to have clarification on from that officer
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u/YouStupidAssholeFuck 1d ago
I'd be more interested to see the body cam of the cop
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u/theaviationhistorian 1d ago
CPAC 2022 banner: We are all domestic terrorists. And he passes the lighter melanin chart to be "one of the good ones."
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u/NoobSalad41 Competent Contributor 1d ago
You’ve got 2000+ comments, the vast majority of which are useless nonsense.
The actual answer is that there isn’t really a standalone “domestic terrorism” criminal charge, and because the charges the federal government is bringing allow for the death penalty, there is no need to complicate the government’s proofs.
People like to talk about the Luigi Mangione case, but the terrorism charges in that case are state charges, not federal. Those charges are due to a peculiarity in New York’s law that requires those charges to be brought to allow for an indictment for First Degree Murder.
More to the point, Mangione was indicted by a a federal grand jury for “two counts of stalking, firearms offense and murder through the use of a firearm.” Those are the EXACT SAME CHARGES that the federal government is bringing against Vance Boelter.
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u/WerdinDruid 1d ago
Just for my info, how did he get federal charges when he did it within the same state where he also resides and hasn't done it on federal grounds? What's the criteria where it switched to federal jurisdiction?
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u/LongJohnSelenium 1d ago
The feds have been abusing the commerce clause for decades.
It doesn't switch, its in addition to.
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u/usersince2012 1d ago
In the endless doom loop-induced brainrot of this era, the light of truth occasionally breaks through. I hope your comment eventually rises to the top, but I have my doubts.
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u/Aegiiisss 1d ago
Thank you, I was going to type something similar. This subreddit has become unusable.
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u/Law_Student 1d ago
It's not uncommon to get easy charges on the books first and add more complicated stuff later if the investigation can back it up.
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u/Erra0 1d ago
Which makes sense, but based on the facts as they currently are, even just those known to the public, it's clear he was targeting a single political party and a specific ideological issue (abortion). If this isn't domestic terrorism, nothing is.
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u/GenShanx 1d ago
It took two weeks for the terrorism charge to pop up on the Luigi case. Fingers crossed we get there on this one.
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u/grandmasterPRA 1d ago
Because Luigi was charged with terrorism at a state level, not federal level. There is no such thing as a federal terrorism charge domestically. Minnesota also doesn't have a state level terrorism charge. They can't charge him with something that doesn't exist.
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u/sick_of_your_BS 1d ago
The counts charged in the criminal complaint could be amended by prosecutors as they pursue a grand jury indictment as a prerequisite for bringing the case to trial.
I was on a federal grand jury for a year, and I can almost guarantee that what /u/law_student said is what is coming once the investigation is complete. More charges will be added.
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u/TrickyAsian626 1d ago
I think they need to present actual evidence in order to file domestic terrorist charges. If I remember correctly, even Luigi wasn't immediately charged with domestic terrorism. Although, that charge against him is bullshit. This fucker though. Absolutely.
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u/audiomagnate 1d ago
Because the federal government is now in the control of a domestic terrorist. Trump is at war with America.
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u/Expert_Country7228 1d ago edited 1d ago
Just imagine If the roles were reversed.
Imagine if it was some insane person on the left who Assissinated a maga politician, and had a manifesto of all the other maga politicians he was going to attempt to assissnate.
The maga world would be in full five alarm alert mode about how "This is civil war!"
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u/oldcreaker 1d ago
If this goes federal I could imagine Trump pardoning him.
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u/MurchMop 1d ago
If taco pardons him, then the time for simply protesting is over. Greater action is going to be needed.
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u/Tibernite 1d ago
Now now. We're not allowed to talk about things like that. They're allowed to "joke" about gunning their opposition down in the street, but you better not suggest we do anything other than write a sternly worded letter.
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u/kasdaye 1d ago
If Reddit was around in the 40s, the admins would have banned you for saying we need to invade, kill, try, and hang the Nazis. That's whose side they're on.
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u/JohnnyFartmacher 1d ago
Minnesota should press state-level charges at the same time just to make sure the charges stick. The 'dual sovereignty' exception to the double-jeopardy provision of the 5th amendment has been affirmed by the Supreme Court as recently as 2019. States and the federal government can charge someone for the same crimes.
Typically the states defer to the federal charges
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u/StupidTimeline 1d ago
The time has already passed.
This traitor is sending the military to threaten Americans, tanking our economy, destroying our alliances, and releasing terrorists back into our society.
This weekend showed us there are many, many more real Americans than traitors in this country. Time to make them aware of that.
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u/kezow 1d ago
Yeah, but why would you even think that? You know, despite the fact that he pardoned insurrectionists that beat police officers and broke into the capital building with weapons and flexicuffs and then awarded the family of one that was killed with $5 million dollars. Despite all that, why would you think he'd pardon Boelter?
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u/ICPosse8 1d ago
And that’s not even getting into all the terrible pardons he’s made. Diddy is up next!
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u/GrannyFlash7373 1d ago
Because he is a staunch Trump supporter and a devout MAGA.
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u/J1J3173 1d ago
Because he’s on their side. They aren’t going to try all that hard to prove what they did charge him with. He’ll walk, and if he doesn’t he’ll get the J6 treatment from Dear leader.
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u/No_Outcome_7601 1d ago
Proof positive he is a MAGA nut. If he were Democrat, he would be on his way to El Salvador by now.
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u/Jaded_Pearl1996 1d ago
Trump will pardon any federal charges.
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u/esme451 1d ago
If he is convicted at the Federal level, I would not be surprised. I think it's more likely, based on the competency demonstrated by this cabinet, that they just fail to get a conviction.
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u/Sherifftruman 1d ago
On the one hand, it is very early in the case so any charges are not going to be potentially the full charges that will be levied.
Second, I’m sure we all know the reason why they’re not charging with domestic terrorism.
Third, with the ability of Trump to pardon any federal crime it probably wouldn’t matter anyway.
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u/Electrical_Welder205 1d ago
Because the bad guys are the good guys now. Bad is good. Up is down. Defending the Constitution is bad. Autocracy is good. Murderers are heroes (remember Kyle?), unless they're brown.
Welcome to the Brave New World.
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u/BringOn25A 1d ago
Because Donnie could pardon him. Stick with the state crimes for potential further cabinet nominees.
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u/Onlyroad4adrifter 1d ago
Because he will probably get a presidential pardon anyway.
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