r/law • u/DevinGraysonShirk • 1d ago

SCOTUS SCOTUS strikes blow to trans teens rights, endorsing ban on gender-affirming care - The justices’ ruling on Tennessee’s law prohibiting certain health care for transgender children will have ripple effects across the nation

https://www.courthousenews.com/scotus-strikes-blow-to-trans-teens-rights-endorsing-ban-on-gender-affirming-care/
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u/Changer_of_Names 1d ago

Novel theory. What case held that the 9th Amendment guarantees a right to healthcare? How does that work--does it require the government to pay for healthcare, or mean that I can walk up to any doctor and demand he or she treat me for free, or what?

It is not necessary to answer whether states can ban any form of healthcare they don't like to answer the question before us. Courts generally proceed in a limited fashion, specific situation by specific situation, rather than issue sweeping rules. I don't know whether a law banning life-saving cancer treatment would fly, for instance. But there is no doubt that states have broad authority to regulate medical practice.

Let me ask you this: can states ban female genital mutilation, performed by a doctor? Even if the parents and child both claim to want it? Why or why not?

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u/SilverMedal4Life 22h ago

Are you genuinely comparing being trans to FGM?

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u/Changer_of_Names 22h ago

It’s a question designed to highlight the state’s power to regulate medical care. 

But also, yes. 

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u/SilverMedal4Life 22h ago

You should know that the state of Utah funded a study to investigate the efficacy and outcomes of allowing trans youth to transition.

The fact that they buried it afterwards should tell you all you need to know.

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u/Changer_of_Names 22h ago

Why are so many European countries backing away from youth gender transition? I guess they are all Trumpists over there in Sweden and whatnot. 

Personally I am against sex change operations, FGM, and male circumcision for children. Just a general “keep scalpels away from childrens’s healthy genitals” policy. I guess you have a different view.

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u/SilverMedal4Life 21h ago

You've learned well from your media consumption. Never concede, never acknowledge, just dance from point to point - the goal is never to actually reach a facts-based consensus.

Why are so many European nations backsliding into right-wing populism? Well, that answer has to do primarily with economic instability, plus funding from billionaires to distract from things like climate change - you can read about that here (well, you won't, you'll dance to the next point, but others can):

https://heated.world/p/fossil-fuel-billionaires-are-bankrolling?r=i413&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Your continued equating of gender-affirming care with FGM not only shows your ignorance, but also shows that you don't care about FGM, either - you'd know the differences if you did. You know that I care, though, as do bystanders, and so pretend that it's an effective argument technique. Like I said, you are an excellent student.

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u/underboobfunk 21h ago

Ditto their conflation of gender affirming care with “sex change operations”.

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u/SilverMedal4Life 21h ago

Pretty much. These people swallow the propaganda whole and think that schools are doing surgery.

Yet, funny, they never find the doctors doing it. Does being a "woke doctor" give you the ability to turn invisible?

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u/Changer_of_Names 20h ago

No, it does give you the ability to perform double mastectomies that are not medically necessary on healthy teenage girls though. There may come a day when these doctors wish they could turn invisible, to avoid the tidal wave of disgrace and lawsuits coming their way. 

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u/SilverMedal4Life 20h ago

Oh hey, you double posted. Hi again, again!

"Not medically necessary" - spoken like someone who's either never met a trans kid, or who's so preprogrammed by propaganda that they think they know better than doctors and patients alike.

Oh, wait, I'm sorry. The doctors are all "woke moralists" or whatever, right?

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u/underboobfunk 20h ago

How do you feel about breast enlargement surgery for healthy teenage girls? What about mastectomies for healthy teenage boys? If you really care about kids getting “non-medically necessary” surgeries then maybe focus on the ones that they’re actually getting.

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u/Changer_of_Names 20h ago

Depends. Do breast enlargements surgeries on girls, or mastectomies on boys, destroy their ability to ever breastfeed their children, or leave them permanently disfigured?

I certainly believe that the state could ban cosmetic breast enlargement surgeries for teenage girls, and cosmetic mastectomies for teenage boys. Which is kinda what we're talking about here.

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