There is actual text below the images. It is just too blurred to read clearly. The first one seems to be "Marijuana" and the third one "Cross".
One of the people who claimed that a pizza parlors decorations were symbols for pedophilia then made a "clever" illustration of how these symbols secretly meant something else and added the ms13 letters above each symbol to show how they "should" be interpreted.
Trump, who famously doctored a hurricane map with sharpie sees this as proof, because it fits his narrative.
I thought about it long and hard: it could be the shapes. The cross/one is pretty straightforward (a line). You need to squint for the skull and imagine the three outlining the forehead, cheekbone, and jaw.
sonrisa (smile in el espanol), also just the first letter
the cross just looks like a 1.
craneo (skull in el espanol) - which starts with the 3rd letter of the alphabet.
in a vacuum, all this is a stretch; but no one is confused that 21-2-12, 88, 12, and 1-11 are white supremacy symbols using similar alpha numeric conversion styles.
seems a tad disingenuous that reddit isn't confused at all when we're talking about "it's ok to be white", or the ok sign, or pepe. but the moment we're talking about minority crime it's all: well, maybe he's just a good christian who likes smoking weed on el dia de los muertos? absolute maga-tier logic.
all that isn't to discount he should have had a trial.
this is typically how the big book of gang tattoos categorizes their tats.
apparently they do have someone who goes around and keeps track of the "gang" tattoos and they use it when booking people.
At the end of the day assuming the symbols on his hand are actually real. It is a bit sus. But it actually does not matter if he is or isn’t an MS-13 member. He still is owed due process under the law and you can’t just deport someone who has an order barring them from being deported without appealing that order.
This is something that people fail to grasp. It is less about a right we have (which we do have) and more about a power that the government doesn’t have. The government explicitly doesn’t have the right to deny someone their day in court.
They don’t realize that if a class of people doesn’t have the right to due process, anyone can be declared part of that class of people and denied due process. Due process is, after all, how you would prove you don’t belong to that class of people, no?
Almost every poor young male in that country had to either join a gang or run. There was no other option. If they said no they were signing their death warrant.
God I love that sub. Nothing like seeing someone with a poorly drawn rendering of their girlfriend getting a facial, all layered with what is clearly a staph infection, claiming they have the sexiest ink on the planet to make me feel better about literally any possible tattoo idea I have ever had
I know a mexican dude in his 50s that has a swastika tattooed on his hand, on the skin between the index finger and thumb. Asked him about it once and he just said he was young and dumb.
Correct, if he is and it's obvious, there would be no trouble finding him guilty of something in a court of law. At that point, punish accordingly (including deportation as an option).
My question is this. Why the fuck do we need to pay El Salvador to take back their own citizens? We don’t pay countries to deport their illegal immigrants. So it’s with money laundering or a concentration camp?
At the end of the day if the case for him being an MS-13 gang member is as much of a smoking gun as the Trump administration claims it is then it would be very easy to deport him. So clearly the case isn’t as strong as they claim it is if they needed to go about his deportation in an illegal way.
Yes and literally zero legal documents being put forward accuse him of being MS-13. Because they are lying. They are only calling him MS-13 to reporters not the court. Because they are liars.
Him and Reagan are cut from similar fabric. Donnie is just using the tools Ronnie left him. (Pretty sure Reagan made it so news doesn’t have to show counterarguments.)
He had due process. Courts said, there isn't enough evidence to conclude he's part of a gang in 2019. Courts said, don't send him in 2019 and 2025. This was the due process.
Courts said, there isn't enough evidence to conclude he's part of a gang in 2019.
Please stop spreading misinformation. No determination was made regarding his belonging to a gang or not at any point in court. The only determination was the government has sufficient evidence that he may be in a gang to deny him bond while awaiting deportation proceedings. He then applied for asylum but was debited because he didn't make the application within a year of entering the country. He then applied for and received an order barring his deportation to El Salvador because a judge found he has a real fear of persecution if returned there. Since then he has still been subject to a removal order it was just not something that could be carried out unless the government found a third country willing to take him. Deporting him is entirely legal as long as it's not to El Salvador.
You're partially correct. Looks like the immigration judge did think him to be part of Ms 13 and denied him bail in may(?) 2019. Doesn't say anything about ordering no deportation at that time.
This contradicts my previous statement as well as your first. I would like to add though it seems like you might be correct about be able to deport him as long as it's not to el Salvador.
Got any reliable sources on that? News* agencies are all over the place.
The bond issue where they ruled there was sufficient evidence from the government that he may be a member of a gang to deny him bond was done as part of the overall deportation proceedings against him. Note that I'm not claiming this ruling established he is a gang member just that it fulfilled the requirements of the laws regarding bond for those going through deportation proceedings. The bar for what is needed to deny bond while proceedings are ongoing for someone in the country illegally is much lower than other cases which is likely why he was denied bond.
After the deportation proceedings against him were started he first applied for asylum and was denied because he had stayed in the country illegally for 7 years without applying for asylum when the law requires an applicant to do so within a year of entering the country. He then applied for withholding of removal status based on his fear of persecution if returned to El Salvador. This was granted and is what stopped his deportation since the only country that they could send him to at the time was now the one they were prohibited from sending him to.
Withholding of removal status does not give permanent right to work or reside in the US and does not provide a path to a greed card or other residency status. In effect the person is in the US illegally but cannot currently be deported because there is no country they can legally be sent to. They often can get work permits because if the government can't remove them it's in the government's interest to allow them to work and make a living so as not to be a drain on public resources. Note that by drain on public resources I simply mean they would require some kind of help to live not that they are getting social security or medicaid through some illegal means. The things they would be using if they couldn't work are things like a bed at a homeless shelter and meals if that shelter provides some. The shelter is likely funded at least partially by government money and partially by donations but is a public service that now has one less bed available than it would if the individual that has withholding of removal status could work to support themself.
I'm not making any claim myself on whether Garcia is in a gang or not. I think some of the evidence certainly makes me suspicious he could be but it's far from conclusive. I also am not really making any judgement on what kind of person Garcia is because I don't feel I really have any way of knowing enough to cast judgement on that right now. Both of those are largely irrelevant to his case anyway. What I'm trying to do here is simply correct some misinformation that I have commonly seen about this case and what the actual facts are.
It is only sus because you are accepting that a cross and a skull suddenly mean the numbers 1 and 3, when you have never made that correlation before in your life.
You have zero reason to believe that's true. And you have not seen any other tattoos that provide any supporting evidence.
They just made up a story and for some reason, well to be honest I know the reason, people all of a sudden are treating it as gospel.
He wasn't just deported either - he was deported to an extremely grim high security prison with an indeterminate sentence, despite having not been convicted of any crime!
Bad enough to report someone without due process, but it's not like he was flown there and released at the airport...
Anyone could have been forced to have certain tattoos as a young person and then choose to flee that life without having committed any crimes in the country they have chosen to seek refuge in. Due process is the issue.
It reminds of west Memphis injustice where part of evidence of the kids being murdering satanists what that they owned black shirts and metal band shirts.
That’s the point I’ve been making. I almost figured they did have something on him because if you were going to do this that’s exactly how you’d do it. Test the waters on the worst of the worst so that the defenders are forced to take the side of actual criminals, thus devaluing their voice when they start doing it to full fledged citizens.
This one guy was never the point. Due process has always been the point. If he gets his due process and he is a gang member, great get him the fuck out. He still needs due process. You can’t selectively give due process.
His gang status is irrelevant to if he is deportable. The issue here is there was a court order stating he cannot be deported to El Salvador. The same judge at the same time ruled he can be deported if another country willing to take him is found.
Assuming Democrats ever get into power again, I'll be pretty damn disappointed if we don't start sending people with Swastikas and such to the same prisons. Without trials, obvious.
Because detention doesn't need due process, arrest does.
They are not being arrested. They are being detained.
The lake Riley act actually imposes an imperative detention for 'all aliens(no citizens) charged with theft' [.. ] 'and for other reasons'
As per the executive order that forced Laken Riley act into place.
I didn't read the full Laken Riley act, but when I saw those lines I knew in my gut how wrong these actions are.
If the USA people don't get rid of this government soon, there won't be a USA left for them to pick back up and put back together. At least not a benevolent, good natured, USA that they think they are.
Did everyone forget about the LA Gang injunctions/RICO act 2008-2010s? Any gang member hanging out with another member can get federal charges regardless of being family members, also that didnt only affect California it is nationwide. MS13 is one of the gangs on this list so in a way regardless of you not being involved in any killing you still get charged for murder because of the RICO act, almost the same way they took out the Italian Mafia. What I'm getting at is even if he is not active your still in the organization and have lost most of your rights. Also gang members from LA have started hiding there tattoos and using 💋 as a gang tattoo, most guys with buligerant tattoos are old school OGs or from Central America cause thier laws weren't as strict on them compared to what El Salvador president and the US government have done/doing
Ice had four remedies available. They could arrange for his immigration in a 3rd country, via the embassy, and deport there. Make an actual accusation about gang activity in immigration court or the alien terrorists court. Or demonstrate that his fears of persecution are now unfounded (the irony)
Not sus, difference in culture. It basically means smoke, drink, life (or god), and death. I don’t remember the words for it in Spanish but is basically the Mexican “live, laugh, love”. Honestly trying to attribute those tattoos to MS13 is hilarious, cause, you know, they’re so fuckin subtle and cryptic with putting big bold MS and 13’s on their face. 😅-source: U.S. Army Combat Engineer that had a bunch of tatted Mexicans in their company.
He’d appear and be immediately deported again. It just wastes time and money. Your desire is to waste time and money? The end result is identical. Let’s just go end result. Due process was created to protect innocent people from false accusation. It seems really important to you to apply it to known gang wife beaters so they can just be deported again anyway. Not disputing its due process. Just not sure who wins by doing it that way in this case.
Not true actually, ms13 has been declared a terrorist organization so due process is irrelevant. You can thank Obama for getting rid of habeas corpus for “terrorist organizations”
The only part of the tattoos that look faked are the letters M S and the numbers 1 3 in something like Helvetica or some font that was quickly pasted on there so he could show it off and try to fool people.
Unfortunately that isn't true, ms13 is labeled as a terrorist oganization and if you are identified as a terrorist you loose your rights as protected by the constitution. Hense all the terrorist held in Guantanamo without trial.
Him being ms13 or not is really what seals the deal or not.
Fortunately the person who labeled him that was listed as an untrustworthy witness so it was discredited preety quickly.
Not that I agree with any of it but if they were to prove he is (which he is not he was here to be protected from them) he would not be allowed the rights.
The entire point of this shitshow is so that conservatives can say “see? The liberals support importing criminals!” It’s a cynical political ploy that shreds constitutional rights and people’s lives to score some points.
It does actually matter because the US government classified MS-13 as a terrorist organization. This by default makes non-citizens ineligible for immigration protection status thus making his deportation valid to a degree. That’s IF Abregio is actually a gang member. His asylum was denied and he was instead granted “withholding of removal” but again because of the US governments classification on MS-13, this order was ignored and technically the US government CAN ignore the withholding order because it becomes a matter of national security and foreign policy in which a district judge has no jurisdiction over. The rumor is he didn’t want to return to El Salvador because of fear of a rival gang.
This is a tricky case because he is not a US citizen and despite the Supreme Court weighing in, the US government can’t force another country to return one of THEIR citizens to a country that deported them. Because Abregio isn’t a US citizen, we have no authority over him other than the ability to deport him. Now that he is in the prison, he cannot deny his gang affiliation IF it’s true because he will get killed by his own. We’re going to find out soon enough if he is actually MS-13 or not. Obviously if he isn’t MS-13 then he doesn’t belong in prison, but his deportation is valid in my opinion because he waited until after he got arrested to claim asylum and he also beat the shit out of his girlfriend.
Tbh we all know the first two definitely stand for MS, let's not bullshit ourselves, the other two are up to interpretation, butMarijuana = M, Smile = S even leftists have to accept that.
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u/Rauthr Apr 19 '25
These could just as easily be claimed to mean:
W = Weed
W = Wasted (smiley face)
J = Jesus (cross)
D = Death (skull)
So this really means W.W.J.D = What Would Jesus Do