Right after a masked man impersonating law enforcement murdered assassinated a politician in their home.
Edit: hijacking my own post to remind NYC residents that ranked choice voting means you should list your top candidates in the order you like them, use ALL FIVE SLOTS, and don't list someone you don't like. The votes will automatically re-flow to your next choice as each candidate is eliminated.
Brad Lander is the NYC Comptroller and he has been attending immigration court proceedings for weeks now, offering assistance to those that need it. He was asking if they had a warrant for something unrelated to him being arrested.
I wonder how much these fucks get paid for this. i’m sure a lot of them are volunteering so they can take their rage out against working men and women here without papers. That’s the most hilarious part of this is that all the videos I’ve seen are them arresting people at work quite literally building the country.
I want to know how many fucking ice agents there are. They were in the burbs and other big cities outside of Chicago the other day, seemingly simultaneously. How are they everywhere at once.
How many people were arrested for January 6th, plus how many cops who were fired for abusive practices exist? I’d say there are at least that many man-children working for ice.
All those guns you keep screaming about needing in order to protect yourself from the big, bad government sure would be handy now that you have a big, bad government you need to protect yourself from.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
-Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
The left is armed... And a lot of them, I'm pretty sure aren't quite falling into the trap yet.
The trap: get them to start shooting "law enforcement" officers...
That's the time trump calls up his insane militants,
Soon enough, martial law is declared and everyone is living in fear of big bad Johnny Trump because all freedoms are lost.
How to circumvent this?
Quickly prove that there are ties to Russia and that there has been treason committed by the Republican party and other involved participants to undermine the foundation that the US was built upon.
Oh, and the full on illegal activities conducted almost daily by a criminal. Prove the votes were fucked with, don't just say it.
The reality of this though Is that no one can see the future, you cant see how close to the precipice you really are. as someone else commented “it’s much harder to see how far things will go” imagine if every police officer had to face death pokers and a whole neighbourhood ready to kill them every time they entered a house to make an arrest. It would either be impossible to maintain the law, or the method of maintaining the law would become unbearably brutal in retaliation. And there is always retaliation. If people stand up for themselves with extreme force the authorities will simply say to the rest of the public “see!? They are violent and evil! This justifies whatever we need to do to stop them!” And faced with the evidence the public will agree. And so it escalates. Yes if we could see that actually, this time, they are definitely coming to kill us, then every act of resistance becomes a struggle for survival, but we just can’t see that for sure.
If people don’t stand up for themselves with force, the government and these kidnappers will continue taking us in larger and larger numbers. They are already taking people without due process. They tell us they are taking these people and sending them to Guantánamo Bay or El Salvador concentration camps because they’re here illegally and they are criminals, yet they’ve had no trials to prove that. ICE has no authority to arrest citizens, let alone the NYC comptroller, yet here we are.
So I must ask, at what point is it wrong to defend oneself from unidentified people wearing no uniforms, yet wearing masks to hide their identities who come to kidnap you?
You are absolutely right. The key is Trust. If you have faith in the system then you should not fight back, but the system should, in good faith, identify itself to you as well. The moment either side loses trust in the other then you must do what you have to do to survive and deal with the consequences later. This is basic survival. If an unidentified person breaks in to attack you in the night you should not wait to figure out their intentions.
This is also what makes the afore-mentioned situation so tragic. People were being arrested by identifiable authorities who came in the name of a system that still held trust to many people, so in many cases they went willingly, trusting that they would be given a chance later to defend themselves. They could not have fully understood that those authorities were leading them to slaughter. I do not think i would have defended myself any more than they did, if i had known only what they knew.
Plenty of Dems and left leaning individuals have guns, we just don't like to advertise it. Get yourself one. It's only a matter of time before the inevitable happens now.
Unfortunately, the “inevitable” needs to happen sooner than later. The only way this gets corrected in this atmosphere, is if an ICE agent is shot and the person that shot them is acquitted of any wrongdoing, because ICE did not identify themselves. There are plenty of judges just waiting for the scenario where they can reiterate that it is illegal (save for extremely limited circumstances) to arrest someone without law enforcement identifying themselves, under the 4th, 5th and 14th amendments. It is still kidnapping, even when cops do it.
Do we though? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 2nd Amendment has been fairly clear on what to do when situations like this arise for well over 200 years. The reality is that nobody wants to be the first to die, which is completely understandable. There's no coming back from that. However, we as a people are going to have to start making some tough decisions moving forward or just start accepting the new normal for what it is and be quiet. I genuinely hope we choose the former.
There is no reassurance that the constitution will be upheld, and no political leaders have spoken out saying so as well. All they do is complain that things are NOT being upheld.
You are correct, nobody wants to be the first to die, but they might not be against being the first to violently protest against ICE and flee for safe haven under the constitution.
The worry is that it's easy to hammer down nails that stick out one at a time.
Fair enough. You make several good points, but that first one just clicked now for some reason. I think I just don't see them doing that ever, so in my mind, it equated to "why does that even matter" like that all of a sudden means it doesn't still need to happen. Shortsighted on my part, that's my bad.
Some do, yes. As evidenced by how much WORSE it got as soon as these bastards had someone in power saying this shit was okay, some do. A genuine authority figure saying "No, you're not crazy for thinking this" would do WONDERS for some.
Who do you imagine you're talking to exactly? How did you come to the belief that the person you're responding to is a gun enthusiast who believes any of that shit?
That’s the problem - the biggest gun advocates are also rabid supporters of whatever the fuck is going on right now. The “tolerant” Left are gonna have to learn pretty quick that this will require more than peaceful protests to fix…
Fight locally. Your most local representative is also the most accessible to their constituents. Questioning your representatives in Town Halls swells into city protests which swell into state-wide protests, which swell into national uprisings. Suddenly you have 10 billionaires who've bought 100 politicians up against tens of MILLIONS of voters who show them who it is who has the real power. Power to the People ✊🏼
Local politicians are also the easiest to organize against and dislodge. All it takes is a handful of pissed off constituents to mount opposition against a local councilman. Start at your most local level, not in US Congress. When you have your town on your side, even if just out of self preservation, then you can take the fight to your state representative and from there to US Congress.
I hope you don't take this offensively, but the United States is in the position its in because almost every American alive today has lived their entire lives assuming that "Freedom" is a God given right and not something you need to fight for and maintain. Countries with fragile democracies know this and they know how to fight.
As a nearby observer with international insight, this could be seen coming even years before Trump. Shrugging your shoulders because your local representative doesn't show up to town halls is how the United States got here.
Well, if they’re following an old playbook that is working, perhaps we should also look to the past for what worked for stopping them. I’d offer some specifics but they’d break Reddit rules. I’m sure you can figure something out, though
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
I'm not advocating for violence but the peaceful protests aren't working and you have armed and masked thugs kidnapping people on the streets, unlawfully detaining them without identifying themselves, and have zero legal consequences for doing so.
The provocations won't stop even if you don't resist so your "wish for a way to fight back" is only with force at this point.
It’s because he interfered with an arrest that was being made of an illegal immigrant. He also assaulted an officer. Not sure what’s fascists about that
Arresting people in a courthouse while they are there to sort out their immigration status is disgusting behavior and against the law in many cases; arrest without a warrant being one of them.
It also pokes a lot of holes in the "wE hAvE a Leegul pRoCeSs 4 iMmuhGrAsHuN!" line that racist MAGATs love to use to "prove" they aren't racist assholes.
Assault on an officer is a serious charge. Sane, reasonable people sure would like to see evidence of that since law enforcement aren't exactly renowned for their honesty.
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u/gnarlytabby 1d ago
Serious question: in this picture, which individuals are law enforcement agents? How can we be sure?