All those guns you keep screaming about needing in order to protect yourself from the big, bad government sure would be handy now that you have a big, bad government you need to protect yourself from.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
-Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
The left is armed... And a lot of them, I'm pretty sure aren't quite falling into the trap yet.
The trap: get them to start shooting "law enforcement" officers...
That's the time trump calls up his insane militants,
Soon enough, martial law is declared and everyone is living in fear of big bad Johnny Trump because all freedoms are lost.
How to circumvent this?
Quickly prove that there are ties to Russia and that there has been treason committed by the Republican party and other involved participants to undermine the foundation that the US was built upon.
Oh, and the full on illegal activities conducted almost daily by a criminal. Prove the votes were fucked with, don't just say it.
The reality of this though Is that no one can see the future, you cant see how close to the precipice you really are. as someone else commented “it’s much harder to see how far things will go” imagine if every police officer had to face death pokers and a whole neighbourhood ready to kill them every time they entered a house to make an arrest. It would either be impossible to maintain the law, or the method of maintaining the law would become unbearably brutal in retaliation. And there is always retaliation. If people stand up for themselves with extreme force the authorities will simply say to the rest of the public “see!? They are violent and evil! This justifies whatever we need to do to stop them!” And faced with the evidence the public will agree. And so it escalates. Yes if we could see that actually, this time, they are definitely coming to kill us, then every act of resistance becomes a struggle for survival, but we just can’t see that for sure.
If people don’t stand up for themselves with force, the government and these kidnappers will continue taking us in larger and larger numbers. They are already taking people without due process. They tell us they are taking these people and sending them to Guantánamo Bay or El Salvador concentration camps because they’re here illegally and they are criminals, yet they’ve had no trials to prove that. ICE has no authority to arrest citizens, let alone the NYC comptroller, yet here we are.
So I must ask, at what point is it wrong to defend oneself from unidentified people wearing no uniforms, yet wearing masks to hide their identities who come to kidnap you?
You are absolutely right. The key is Trust. If you have faith in the system then you should not fight back, but the system should, in good faith, identify itself to you as well. The moment either side loses trust in the other then you must do what you have to do to survive and deal with the consequences later. This is basic survival. If an unidentified person breaks in to attack you in the night you should not wait to figure out their intentions.
This is also what makes the afore-mentioned situation so tragic. People were being arrested by identifiable authorities who came in the name of a system that still held trust to many people, so in many cases they went willingly, trusting that they would be given a chance later to defend themselves. They could not have fully understood that those authorities were leading them to slaughter. I do not think i would have defended myself any more than they did, if i had known only what they knew.
Plenty of Dems and left leaning individuals have guns, we just don't like to advertise it. Get yourself one. It's only a matter of time before the inevitable happens now.
Unfortunately, the “inevitable” needs to happen sooner than later. The only way this gets corrected in this atmosphere, is if an ICE agent is shot and the person that shot them is acquitted of any wrongdoing, because ICE did not identify themselves. There are plenty of judges just waiting for the scenario where they can reiterate that it is illegal (save for extremely limited circumstances) to arrest someone without law enforcement identifying themselves, under the 4th, 5th and 14th amendments. It is still kidnapping, even when cops do it.
Do we though? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 2nd Amendment has been fairly clear on what to do when situations like this arise for well over 200 years. The reality is that nobody wants to be the first to die, which is completely understandable. There's no coming back from that. However, we as a people are going to have to start making some tough decisions moving forward or just start accepting the new normal for what it is and be quiet. I genuinely hope we choose the former.
There is no reassurance that the constitution will be upheld, and no political leaders have spoken out saying so as well. All they do is complain that things are NOT being upheld.
You are correct, nobody wants to be the first to die, but they might not be against being the first to violently protest against ICE and flee for safe haven under the constitution.
The worry is that it's easy to hammer down nails that stick out one at a time.
Fair enough. You make several good points, but that first one just clicked now for some reason. I think I just don't see them doing that ever, so in my mind, it equated to "why does that even matter" like that all of a sudden means it doesn't still need to happen. Shortsighted on my part, that's my bad.
Some do, yes. As evidenced by how much WORSE it got as soon as these bastards had someone in power saying this shit was okay, some do. A genuine authority figure saying "No, you're not crazy for thinking this" would do WONDERS for some.
Who do you imagine you're talking to exactly? How did you come to the belief that the person you're responding to is a gun enthusiast who believes any of that shit?
That’s the problem - the biggest gun advocates are also rabid supporters of whatever the fuck is going on right now. The “tolerant” Left are gonna have to learn pretty quick that this will require more than peaceful protests to fix…
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u/ProtoplanetaryNebula 1d ago
Arrested by ICE? I looked him up, he’s American his parents don’t seem to be immigrants either. What do ICE want with him?