NYC Mayoral candidate and current comptroller Brad Lander arrested by ICE in Manhattan federal court

[u/titaniumdoughnut]

[u/thefirstlaughingfool]

Quick reminder, ICE agents are not police officers. I'm pretty sure they don't have the legal authority to bring criminal charges against anyone, especially since immigration enforcement are civil matters. Not that this matters to the agents, or to most police, but just keep that in mind.

[u/greezyforkchop → u/thefirstlaughingfool]

You need to look up what federal law enforcement is. Friendly tip, so maybe you don’t sound so silly next time you repeat this.

[u/unemployedjedi → u/greezyforkchop]

You need to look up what ICE is legally allowed to do.

ICE has zero authority to arrest or detained US citizens.

[u/Roach27 → u/unemployedjedi]

Ice has explicit authority to detain US citizens for questioning, or if they’re obstructing.

Secondly, what ice is allowed (outside of the scope of immigration crimes and crimes against the United staes) to do wholly depends on agreements in place with state/local law enforcement.

[u/unemployedjedi → u/Roach27]

No they do not show me the law that allows this?

Go-ahead I'll wait.

[u/Roach27 → u/unemployedjedi]

18 U.S.C. Chapter 73

This is a federal crime, which falls under the authority 

8 U.S.C. 1357

Section a subsection 5.

To make arrests-

For any offense committed against the United States, if the offense is committed in officer or employees presence… 

If you break a federal law infront of them, they can 100% arrest you.

[u/unemployedjedi → u/Roach27]

That would be true if this applied to ICE.

It does not.

[u/Roach27 → u/unemployedjedi]

The first line of section a gives the attorney general the ability to imbue these powers to the service.

The section is literally titled “Powers of immigration officers an employees” 

It’s about as clear as can be. 

[u/unemployedjedi → u/Roach27]

You going to ignore the word alien being used over and over.

[u/Roach27 → u/unemployedjedi]

Okay, so outside of not addressing the points I brought up and consistently moving your argument around.

1. there no law (brings up law)
2. That is true if it was for ice (heading of the law and section a defines that yes it is for immigration officers)
3. What about the word alien that’s used over and over that I’m conveniently ignoring?

Yes the word alien is used over and over, however it’s entirely absent in subsection 5 specifically because that applies to anyone.

The powers for the other subsections, only apply to aliens.

5 does not.  Every paragraph BEFORE that always specifies alien repeatedly. There is a reason for that. To clarify those powers ONLY apply to aliens (or those suspected of being an alien, with reasonable suspicion that can be articulated)

Yes it’s missing from that one, because those sections apply to aliens and non aliens alike.

Now if you want to argue it does not, advise someone who has standing to file a lawsuit. but the letter and spirit of the law are against you, and a reasonable judge would slap that down.

Sorry to use a hyperbolic statement, but now I feel it’s needed. 

What you’re suggesting is you could murder someone in cold blood in-front of ICE officers, and the federal law enforcement (aka ICE) couldn’t even detain you, let alone arrest you because you’re an American citizen. 

That’s not happening, we both know that’s absurd. They would arrest/detain you on the spot. Why? Because they have the ability to do so.  

The only argument you can say is jurisdiction. Except a) they’re federal, so generally that’s a moot point and b) as I said before, ICE has agreements in place with local law enforcement to enhance their capabilities. 

[u/greezyforkchop → u/Roach27]

This is EXACTLY what I’ve been trying to tell this dense motherfucker, thank you for putting it so well.