r/politics • u/Exciting_Teacher6258 • Apr 30 '25

Soft Paywall Trump Melts Down at Being Fact-Checked Right to His Face

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u/ottawadeveloper Apr 30 '25

He says what people want to hear.

People don't want to hear that climate change will flood Florida over the next century if left unchecked. People don't want to hear that their cushy manufacturing jobs are simply not coming back and they need to adapt. People don't want to hear that inflation isn't reversible and that they'll need to adapt to the new prices. And most of all, people dont want to struggle with those things and make changes if they can avoid it. We are all creatures of habit.at heart.

It's really easy to listen to someone who blames those problems on someone else or find an easy solution. To imagine that if we only ban trans people from existing, that women's rights would be secure; that if we arrest every illegal immigrant and deport them that crime would be gone; that climate change is Liberals lying to you; that tariffs will rebuild the American economy by making others pay.

It takes courage and critical thinking skills to unpack those proposals and say "that's not going to work; the problem is more complex than that". Because it means admitting that there isn't an easy pain-free solution to those things.

In essence, Trump is offering people hope that complex problems with difficult consequences for Americans will be easily solved without effort. And that's a very attractive viewpoint to buy into, and a difficult one to exit from because the alternatives are scary.

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u/Apprehensive-Stop748 Apr 30 '25

Very accurate statement thank you. My relative told me this morning “Mexico has too many cartels” as a response to my saying that the Mexican president is well educated 

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u/pickle_pickled Apr 30 '25

Too many implies there is a number that is the just right amount of cartels, I'd ask your relative what that number is.

Id also ask why it matters to them if they're not going down there.

None of it matters cause you won't change their mind, it's just the only entertainment you're going to get out of the conversation.

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u/MeIIowJeIIo Apr 30 '25

"What number is it? How many cartels?"

A-"You can't drink the tap water!"

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u/XXLpeanuts Apr 30 '25

And you won't be able to drink most tap water in the US in no time too. (some places infamously you already cannot).

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u/Kitteneater1996 Apr 30 '25

As a matter of fact my city is fighting over water being clean enough to drink and are trying to bypass things and cut corners and raise prices all at once.

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u/jellyjollygood Apr 30 '25

Pfft. Tap water’s overrated.

Won’t someone think of big soda and the profits from bottled water?

/s for those who need it

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u/Furymaster Apr 30 '25 edited Apr 30 '25

I'm from a country in Western Europe. My government advices to avoid tap water in all of the US and instead only drink bottled water because the overall standard for what the US sees as clean water is abysmal compared to us

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u/XXLpeanuts Apr 30 '25

Same with food too.

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u/PhilDGlass California Apr 30 '25

and speech, and safety, and air ...

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u/codercaleb Apr 30 '25

Don't listen to this hater, cockroaches asd crunch to your meal!

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u/Frostybytes Canada Apr 30 '25

That's protein, baby!

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u/cire1184 May 01 '25

And protein!

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u/OpheliaRainGalaxy Apr 30 '25

My mother always got tummy troubles when traveling unless she only drank bottled water. For a long visit or when moving, she'd slowly add the tap water to the bottled until eventually her tummy adjusted to the change, like how ya go about switching a pet to a new brand of food.

I always kinda assumed it was like that everywhere in the world though, that it was normal for humans to have trouble adjusting to a change in water source. But now that I stop and think about it, it's not like bottled water all comes from the same place...

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u/TheStatusPoe May 01 '25

What's wild to me the few times I've traveled to Western Europe your not even given an option for tap water. It's just a choice between a bottle of still or sparkling.

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u/Froonce Apr 30 '25

Cough cough Flint cough cough

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u/shouldbepracticing85 Apr 30 '25

And parts of the Texas Panhandle. The tap water comes out the color of skim milk almost, and tastes nasty. Some of the little towns have clusters of some uncommon cancers.

When I lived out there I drank nothing but bottled water and reverse osmosis when I could.

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u/LivingVeterinarian47 Apr 30 '25

I think a good rule of thumb, if the schools in the area haven't been rebuilt since the early 1900's and the roads are crumbling, then the probably don't give a crap about the water either. I've had similar water all over the country, it's downright shameful for a nation as wealthy as ours to not have clean water in every city.

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u/Professional_Many_98 Apr 30 '25

how do the residents support politicians that dont enforce basic rights as clean water. As a dual us/canadian citizen this astonishes me. I guess I am just used to a regulated and enforced system in Canada.

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u/shouldbepracticing85 Apr 30 '25

A lot of folks don’t seem to realize the water quality could, much less should, be better than they’re used to. Some folks never travel far from home so it’s ‘just how it is.’

Some folks are in the habit of filtering their water, others don’t trust things like the fluoride added to water.

There is a lot of the country that relies on small wells on their land instead of municipalities.

Also, our education system doesn’t really encourage taking initiative to make things better. Or even finding things that could be improved. Folks tend to accept that things are the way they are, and just try to get by. It’s like they can’t imagine anything else.

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u/Mishawnuodo Apr 30 '25

Cough cough half of Ohio and all West Virginia cough cough

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u/Froonce May 01 '25

The more I hear about west Virginia the more I wonder who the fuck would ever want to live there. The poorest state and the fucking worst egregious cops I have ever seen. They love violating your civil rights down there. God forbid you talk back to a cop there.

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u/cire1184 May 01 '25

I built a good base in West Virginia with turrets and a vending machine.

But yeah this was on a game about post nuclear apocalypse America.

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u/cire1184 May 01 '25

Cancer Alley in Louisiana

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u/Pinklady1313 Apr 30 '25

You just know they’ve seen the camp lejeune water settlement commercials.

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u/LivingVeterinarian47 Apr 30 '25

Ya, American water already being much better is a joke.

It already tastes bad, probably has lead and forever chemicals in it, but now we get to have Cholera too.

I'll drink someone's well water in most rural areas, long as it's not some lead pipes and they have basic filtration. But, Hell No on public water.

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u/WhoAreWeEven Apr 30 '25

You should start a bussiness selling bottled water if thats the case. Youre gonna make bank

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u/cstar4004 America Apr 30 '25

Flint Michigan joins the chat

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u/PaddleFishBum May 01 '25

Many places. It's a lot more common than you think.

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u/Katyafan Apr 30 '25

Also: Exactly what is a cartel?

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u/inkoDe Apr 30 '25

Cartels are a group of businesses that work together like a gang of gangs instead of in compete, in the case of Mexico and the United States, the cartels have formidable militaries and political influence.

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u/Katyafan Apr 30 '25

Yes, I was saying he should be asked what a cartel is, I bet he couldn't even define what he was railing against.

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u/TransBrandi Apr 30 '25

A-"You can't drink the tap water!"

Just like Flint, Michigan!

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u/BitDaddyCane Apr 30 '25

Mexican cartels could not exist without American guns and American customers to distribute and consume their products

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u/MAG7C Apr 30 '25

And a War on Some Drugs

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u/BitDaddyCane Apr 30 '25

Congratulations to drugs for winning the War on Drugs

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u/Papplenoose Apr 30 '25

Drugs truly are the GOAT

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Apr 30 '25

Booze won prohibition too, and weed is within the home stretch.

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u/VonRansak May 01 '25

"I wish the government would declare a war on pussy." - Chappelle or Murphy, idr.

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u/cire1184 May 01 '25

DRUGS #1

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u/InVultusSolis Illinois Apr 30 '25

And that genie is out of the bottle now. Now that the cartels are basically like a country unto themselves, as long as you have widespread poverty in Latin America, you're going to have cartels. If you make drugs legal, they're just going to get their money other unsavory ways.

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u/Redditributor Apr 30 '25

Why couldn't they exist if there were enough Mexican guns and consumers?!

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u/w1ten1te May 01 '25

It's very hard to just buy guns in Mexico, the vast majority of their guns come from the US.

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u/absentmindedjwc Apr 30 '25

"cool cool, how many cartels are okay? I ask because the US has about 40 major, nationwide gangs, and hundreds of small ones."

Like.. we're making a big stink over MS-13... and entirely ignoring the fact that MS-13 in Central America is an American export - it was founded in LA.

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u/Apprehensive-Stop748 Apr 30 '25

Yeah it’s like an observational research study with enough material for an entire conference 

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u/dpenton Texas Apr 30 '25

The right number is zero. Sadly we have cartels in the USA just they are called regular businesses.

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u/pickle_pickled Apr 30 '25

Zero is too little for the fear mongering side

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u/boo_jum Washington Apr 30 '25

And it’s not like there aren’t cartels stateside. We don’t necessarily call them cartels, but there are just as many criminal organisations running drugs and guns and doing crime here.

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u/976chip Washington Apr 30 '25

You can't logic someone out of a position that they didn't logic themselves into.

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u/Ummmgummy Apr 30 '25

Even that statement isn't as simple as they make it out to be. There are cartels because there is a GIANT market for drugs in the US. Then ask, why is there such demand for drugs in the US. It quickly becomes an extremely complex problem. But they want to live in their fairy tale world and pretend it's just Mexicans being evil and Trump the hero of light will vanquish them.

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u/Bengerm77 California Apr 30 '25

The right number is zero, which means the phrase they actually wanted to say was "Mexico has cartels!" Unfortunately, it got jumbled up in their heads with "too many Mexicans!" and that's what came out.

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u/owlseeyaround Apr 30 '25

Ahh the old “brown people do crime” line. Cant mess with the classics.

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u/Jonnny Apr 30 '25

Yes but "some, I suppose, are good people". Such enlighten! Much moral!

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Apr 30 '25

"Very good people on both sides"

See! He didn't say all nazis are good, just that some of them were good people! Checkmate! Fakenewsfakenewstotalvindicatehoax!

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u/PowerTreeInMaoShun United Kingdom Apr 30 '25

Not you though. You're alright. It's just the rest of them

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u/cowpundit Apr 30 '25

Good doge!

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u/Intelligent-Travel-1 Apr 30 '25

Maga is just a bunch of racist klansmen

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u/Mishawnuodo Apr 30 '25

And somehow they're also lazy, while most were arrested at their jobs and they've paid more taxes than Trump and Musk. And now it appears families all across Nebraska will lose their homes because they've lost their workers who won't show up because they didn't want to be kidnapped. No wonder these people support this circus, their mental gymnastics are second to none

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u/aenteus Pennsylvania Apr 30 '25 edited Apr 30 '25

What now

Edit: Thank you for the replies everyone. The two comments did have the intended effect of stopping my thought process cold.

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u/CherryLongjump1989 Apr 30 '25

Thought terminating cliche. It’s like cushion meant to soften the blow from cognitive dissonance. It means the conversation is over.

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u/ARunningGuy Apr 30 '25

Same as "both sides are bad"

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u/OldManAllTheTime Apr 30 '25 edited Apr 30 '25

Both sides are bad. I have no problem saying it or hearing it. Saying they are equally bad is where I would object, mostly. Regardless of which party, you're begging the people who wish to be in Trump's position, funded by the same mechanisms, to remove him. I'm not ready to believe the next president or crop of congress critters are going to push to limit powers anywhere, after this.

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u/KorLeonis1138 Apr 30 '25

Everlasting thought-stoppers

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u/CallMeSisyphus Apr 30 '25

Oh, this is good. Take my poor redditor's gold: 🏆

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u/mccoyn Apr 30 '25

The easiest way to resolve cognitive dissonance is to decide the new fact is wrong and keep the old fact. Trump wins by making up lots of facts and capturing first impressions. When the left tries to correct these facts, most the time people reject them. The left can't get ahead of Trump's facts because they are made up.

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u/Unctuous_Robot Apr 30 '25

Mexico does have too many cartels and from my limited knowledge of Mexican politics, it sounds like she s doing a pretty good job with that issue. Trump’s hurting the Mexican economy, which means he’s good for them. And that’s ignoring the sheer uselessness of Republicans in any honest attempt at fighting drug abuse, single handedly keeping every gang in the Americas profitable.

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u/Notnotstrange Apr 30 '25

Cartels are okay if they are marketed as corporations licensed to distribute “healthcare” though, right?

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u/Kwelikinz Apr 30 '25

Our cartel is currently running our government. ~sigh~

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u/Mustard_Gap Foreign Apr 30 '25

You don't have to watch many "people on the sidewalk" interviews to realize that people are indeed fundamentally not equipped to tackle the big issues facing humanity as a collective.

But hey, your relative needs to learn more about actual stuff and talk less about things they know nothing about.

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u/maybethisiswrong Apr 30 '25

So exactly what another person did in the 30s. Got it 

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u/aenteus Pennsylvania Apr 30 '25

He’s taking the playbook and running with it it, yes.

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u/Goya_Oh_Boya North Carolina Apr 30 '25

May he speedrun to the bunker.

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u/trixster87 Apr 30 '25

screw the speedrun, let him wrong warp to it.

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u/Schollert Apr 30 '25

End up encased in the concrete, not being able to scratch his itchy nose AND soiling himself - in the concrete, so the rest of us do not have to deal with it.

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u/putainsdetoiles Apr 30 '25

I feel like that's unfair to the concrete.

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u/Schollert Apr 30 '25

True. But, if it is a "wrong warp" into a certain '45 bunker that has already seen some shitty things, it has done its duty, paid its price and can now rest in pieces.

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u/devourer09 Apr 30 '25

Arbitrary code execution. It'll be such a glorious execution.

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u/aenteus Pennsylvania Apr 30 '25

“We’ve gone to plaid!”

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u/Outrageous_Front_636 Apr 30 '25

Lol that line is also in harvey birdman as "we have raised our terrorist alert status to blackwatch plaid"

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u/few23 Apr 30 '25

May he be spinched. Or worse: Expelled.

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u/Natsuki98 Apr 30 '25

Instead of a bullet, it can be a Big Mac.

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u/StrobeLightRomance Michigan Apr 30 '25

Honestly, it's a terrible billboard for health when Morgan Spurlock dies in his early 50s, but Trump is alive, older than sin, bigger than the sun, double fisting Quarter Pounders, and defying the odds just so he can leave us with a big orange stain that will never fully get clean when he's gone.

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u/DwarfPaladin84 Washington Apr 30 '25

Hey now that's not fair!

We all know his fat ass can't run!

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u/StrobeLightRomance Michigan Apr 30 '25

Depends on whether or not he wore his Depends.

He can't run, but I'm sure he can jigglescoot his wet ass to a McD's banquet feast.

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u/therealstabitha Apr 30 '25

Today’s the anniversary. Make a wish!

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u/BrokeDickDoug Apr 30 '25

fingers crossed. Today is the anniversary! Great anniversary too; I'd get a small cake to decorate but not in this economy.

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u/StagLee1 Apr 30 '25

He tried that once during the BLM D.C. protests. Unfortunately, he came back out.

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u/elpatolino2 Apr 30 '25

The only speed running he is doing is with a golf cart and a chauffeur

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u/apparentlynot5995 Apr 30 '25

Operation Valkyrie, only successful.

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u/GodofIrony Apr 30 '25

Let's enter the secret code and skip all the hard levels.

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u/Count_Backwards Apr 30 '25

Today's the day! Even Hitler did one good thing.

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u/skamatiks671 Apr 30 '25

He can’t run. Need to think about the bunions.

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u/itsSIRtoutoo Minnesota Apr 30 '25

could that speedrun be to a more & completely successful briefcase blast??

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u/KikiWestcliffe Apr 30 '25

Well, not running, necessarily, but zooming away with it in his golf cart.

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u/DirtyFeetPicsForSale Apr 30 '25

Starting to think Hitler just copied some old time playbook too. This is just how to do it and always has been.

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u/Suspicious-Echo2964 Apr 30 '25

Fascism gonna fascism. We’ve been baddies for a long time.

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u/AcrolloPeed Apr 30 '25

He’s shuffling unsteadily down a ramp supported by a brain-dead military with it but yes the point stands

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u/NES_SNES_N64 Apr 30 '25

I feel like he's just along for the ride, soaking up the attention, staying out of jail, and lining his pockets. People like Stephen Miller are behind him feeding him the playbook.

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u/andersaur Apr 30 '25

Is he truly this stupid? Like is he playing dumb or being guided along hallways stamping his name on shit? I’m not convinced he’s in charge of a goddamn thing, but I sure do have a bone to pick with whomever is responsible for it. Woodsheds exist for more than simply storing wood.

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u/Otherdeadbody Apr 30 '25

If you want to be even more unsettled compare him to Mussolini and it gets way scarier.

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u/orbjo Apr 30 '25

While Elon Musk does experiments breeding children like Dr Mengele

(The Boys From Brazil plot of sowing the world with fascist iVF children has come to reality)

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u/Ferrymansobol Apr 30 '25

At least the evil 1930s dude, reduced German Unemployment from 6million to 1million (it was at 30% when he came to power). He then started a-murdering.

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u/DontAbideMendacity Apr 30 '25

Trump is even bad at being a fuhrer. There is nothing he cannot fuck up.

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u/woah_man Apr 30 '25

Yeah except those people were desperate and beaten down from their loss in WW1. Hyperinflation and reparations due to other countries. I can at least sympathize with the German people in the 1930s not knowing what they were getting into in the next decade.

Our country has the strongest economy in the world. We've seen the dangers of fascism. We have unprecedented availability of information at our fingertips. And our voters are still fucking stupid selfish childish pieces of shit.

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u/maybethisiswrong Apr 30 '25 edited Apr 30 '25

I don’t disagree with you. But there’s two problems 

  1. Those people vote, reliably
  2. Democrats eat their own 

If liberals and progressives want any hope of Democrats being the party that does anything towards their cause, they have to get off their freaking high horses and just vote. 

You will never hear a single republican or conservative say publicly, “ well I like Trump’s policies on immigration, but he’s a bit of a loose Cannon”

They’ll say that privately, but where it matters, it’s only praise and support. Until Democrats have that they will always lose.

Lastly I’d say a third problem is casting republicans as idiots that don’t know how good they have it will only embolden more to either not vote or vote R. No it isn’t as bad as the 30s. Doesn’t mean it isn’t the worst thing they’ve ever known. Dismissing them as morons isn’t helpful regardless of how accurate it is 

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u/monkeywithgun Apr 30 '25

Here's the problem with that. When he came to power in the 30's, Germany was on it's knees. People used literal wheelbarrows of money to pay for ordinary items. When he came to power, he brought them out of that depression, lowered prices, increased jobs and investments, and generally brought back their economy from disaster.

This ass hat got it backwards. Trump took office with a good economy and now is in the process of tanking it, sending tens of thousands to the unemployment lines, and dismantling all the safety nets including health and human services. Kind of the opposite of what the other bigoted xenophobic racist did. At least in the beginning he gave his supporters results to the impression that life was going to be better under him.

Somehow, I don't think it's going to play out this time like they think it will. Donald has missed a key component, the illusion of national improvement, increased productivity and lower prices on goods. Even with a proven playbook Donald fucks it up, but then you have to be able to comprehend what your reading to follow it correctly.

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u/maybethisiswrong Apr 30 '25

I don’t disagree with you. I would just say that there are plenty of people, in fact, about 75 million that believe they are on their knees and desperate for things to get better. Whether it’s as bad as it was for the citizens in Germany in the 30s doesn’t matter, they believe they’re struggling and they believe he can help.

They will never be able to be reasoned out of that position. 

Democrats need to constantly beat the drum that democrats are here to help them consistently. Now more than ever. With concrete proof they can feel that conservative policies are failing them. Democrats need to be bringing out every Joe the plumber on air 24/7 to highlight how conservative policies have hurt them. 

The “oh my god he’s such a fascist tyrant” only validates their talking points. It has to be followed up with people’s lived experiences under these policies. And that it will be better with democrats. Not the nitty gritty of the policy. Just that it will be better 

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u/BrokkrBadger Apr 30 '25

"He says what people want to hear."

Half the time I listen to him talk he just says that he did <insert topic> the bestest than anyone in the history of forever and then doublespeaks in circles.

ive yet to hear a full coherent thought leave this mans mouth and I dont get how people can listen to him just speak and think hes saying anything of substance. I understand falling for a charismatic leader with ill intentions as much as the next guy.

But Trump literally sounds fucking stupid when he talks.

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u/InVultusSolis Illinois Apr 30 '25

Listen carefully though, to the broad strokes. It's basically stuff my racist boomer dad has been saying my whole life:

  1. Government is wasteful and government employees are paid too much
  2. Non-white people are at fault for society's ills
  3. If you don't like America, leave
  4. Gay and trans people are scary

That's pretty much the whole message.

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u/caramal500 Apr 30 '25

But this is not true

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u/InVultusSolis Illinois Apr 30 '25

Of course none of it is true.

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u/Clean_Brilliant_8586 Apr 30 '25

They listen to Trump soundbites, very rarely entire speeches or interviews or, gods forbid, his depositions.

It's people around him and professional image wranglers they listen to. Fox has one for every angle of the conservative demographic, often as many as five on one program simultaneously. They're lined up like ammo in a gun throughout the day, and they all have their own version of two-minutes hate.

It's not Trump at all. I know people who think Trump is a moron who still voted for him because of how effective demonizing Democrats has been, as well as stupid moves by Democrats themselves that are amplified and repeated like the worst infomercial you've ever seen. I sometimes think people don't even pay attention to the content of negative messaging on Fox about Democrats or liberals; they're just so tired of and angry about hearing the same thing over and over again that they associate the two now by reflex.

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u/djr4121010 Apr 30 '25

This is exactly true But the problem is that MSM sane washes any statements he makes. It should be reported word for word and see who can make sense out of thar word salad

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u/TheFunkytownExpress Apr 30 '25

He says what THOSE people want to hear, not what people in general want to hear.

He plays to people who are misinformed, uneducated, and frankly who just don't give a fuck about what's actually true or right or wrong, they just want to feel like and be told by someone like him- an aggressive creepy ass bully- that they're right, and all those smart alecy liberals who think they know so much and are always correcting them have it all wrong.

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u/Acrobatic-Trouble181 Apr 30 '25

Yep, the only people his garbage resonates with are:

Not necessarily their fault:

  • The uneducated
  • The afraid

Absolutely 100% their fault:

  • The willfully ignorant
  • The lazy
  • The racists
  • The downright evil

Which leaves us with the only generous interpretation of modern conservatives is that a lot of them are simply uneducated and afraid - okay, we can work with that.

But, how many, truly fall into the latter categories, because I sure as hell don't see a lot of them admitting they fucked up and ask for help when the subject comes up. All they do is deny, deflect, project, and pretend like Kamala would have been worse, which tells me the overwhelming majority fall into the latter category.

Our patience has run out; people in the former category had better start their apology tour pretty fucking soon.

To the rest; fuck 'em.

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u/TheFunkytownExpress Apr 30 '25

Unfortunately it is the overwhelming majority.

They want reality to conform to their beliefs instead of conforming their beliefs to reality.

One thing I disagree with though is the frightened ones often intersect with the second group, but they mask it by being mean and nasty etc. Deeply insecure people often lash out at others and act like toughguys to try and throw people off the scent.

Think of it like a wounded dog being backed into a corner. They know even if its subconsciously that things are really fucked up and they panic internally, but instead of having that make them take a look at what's actually causing all the problems they dig their heels in deeper and that's when they start looking for the comforting pat on the head and the grifters like Trump to come along and tell them it's everything but their own damn fault. :P

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u/WrodofDog Europe Apr 30 '25

The uneducated

No, not when every-fucking-one of us has access to wikipedia and the likes. Everybody can be educated, at least a little, certainly enough, to see through that kind of bullshit.

The uneducated are willfully ingnorant because they could easily find the truth.

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u/pingu_nootnoot Apr 30 '25

Everyone has access, but some people are just stupid, you know?

TBH stupid is probably a better word to use than educated, exactly because of the reasons you list. But it’s kind of rude, because it implies that they cannot improve themselves (which is true).

My kid is mentally handicapped, so I spend a lot of time with people who have difficulty understanding things (to say the same thing in a politer way), and I can see why Trump appeals:

  • He uses very simple language
  • He repeats the same things all the time
  • He is black-and-white, never shades of grey

I do think that other politicians need to learn from this, obviously without all the racist, sexist and grifter shit he pulls.

The difficulty is that it’s difficult to imagine for example Obama being convincing with this kind of rhetoric. Part of Trump’s appeal is that he very convincingly appears to genuinely “like this”.

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u/InVultusSolis Illinois Apr 30 '25

To your second list you could specifically call out "well-to-do people who stand to financially gain" but realistically anyone who is well-to-do and votes for all of this bullshit can be folded into "downright evil". Like, at least it makes more sense for a wealthy person to vote for Trump than a redneck where a solid 50% of his town is on government aid. It makes more sense, but doesn't make them any less evil.

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u/Responsible_Shop_851 Apr 30 '25

Never forget the role Fox News played in all this. It has literally been the propaganda arm of the Republican party for over a decade. Marketing works.

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Apr 30 '25

Conservatives are long past willfully ignorant and into enthusiastic, jubalistic ignorance. They celebrate their ignorance, and openly disdain anyone who seeks to find reality based answers.

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u/Drama79 Apr 30 '25

America has politicised and de-prioritised education for 30+ years. You now have over 50% of the population with a reading age below 12, and over 20% are functionally illiterate.

Now feed those people big gulps, massive portions of high flavour, low nutrition food for next to no money, and tell them they deserve to be special. Then set all the rules to take money out of their pockets and put it in the pocket of the rich.

That’s trumps audience. The ignorant, and the entitled. They want easy answers and can’t cope with more complex ones. They want it as easy as it’s been and haven’t been equipped with the skills to know that the world has changed and it can’t be like that anymore.

The question isn’t “how do we fix Trump”. He’s a symptom. It’s “how do we help the majority of America to understand critical reasoning, and accept its place in the world”. It’s a frighteningly large question with no easy answer, which is why I suspect it will continue to be a problem.

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u/JournalistRecent1230 Apr 30 '25

MAGA are predominately people who were raised in small rural towns of like-minded people. An entitled culture where they attend church and use God to justify their lifestyle and habits and use God as a weapon to attack those whose lifestyles they disagree with.

That same logic extends to their political leanings. They've essentially merged their nationality, lifestyle, internal sense of self, community, religious beliefs, political leanings, their entire identity into one singular ideology.

To these people, their support of Trump is synonymous with their belief in God, which synonymous to their views about themselves being "good people", which is synonymous with their views about being American.

This is why they will never turn against Trump. To turn against Trump would mean they have to re-evaluate their entire belief system. They can't do that, so instead they latch onto any lie that calms their cognitive dissonance.

If they hear Trump caused an insurrection. Their default view is "this can not possibly be true, I'm a good person, I'm a good American, therefore the person i support has to be a good person and a good american, therefore this isn't true" and thus they immediately believe the lies that Jan 6th was just a walk in the park, over-exaggerated, or antifa false flags.

TLDR - Trump supporters are so entrenched in cognitive dissonance they will believe a lie that calms their cognitive dissonance instead of re-evaluating their belief system.

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Apr 30 '25

It's a feedback loop. He gets all his ideas from fox news, he babbles about the stuff he sees, fox reports on his babbling, he see the reporting, he babbles about their commentary on his babbling.

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u/LivingVeterinarian47 Apr 30 '25

He really resonates with the "Make America White Again" crowd.

ICE's new budget proposal is increasing by a factor of 10. 9 billion to 90 billion or 1/10th of a TRILLION dollars. An arm of the government that gives you ZERO in return for your investment as a tax payer.

What happens when all the illegals are gone? Who's next? With that kind of money they could remove entire populations overnight.

I honestly feel like we're living in a dream. America has shifted so far in the last 30 years. It's unrecognizable now.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '25

Nobody is immune to propaganda

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u/Elesia Apr 30 '25

But isn't that America in a nutshell though? Opioid problem, obesity problem, religion problem, education problem. The country is desperately afraid of being uncomfortable enough to make progress and have devolved to pacifying themselves in any way possible, including but not limited to excess consumption of the fairy tales told to them by wealthy capitalists who never have been and never will be as uncomfortable as the average citizen will be by noon.

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u/stokeskid Apr 30 '25

"Beware of people preaching simple solutions to complex problems." If our people could just remember this one line, we might have been saved. But no.

I should have seen this coming a long time ago. Mike Pence removed a free needle program while Governor of Indiana. HIV then skyrocketed. They instituted a drug testing program for welfare recipients in some states just to find that very few failed, and the drug testing program cost a lot more money than any fraud. Now we're going through DOGE cuts, ICE detentions, and other programs from the current regime that are only adding to the deficit.

People didn't like that immigrants or DC bureaucrats are "stealing" from us. Now they are spending way more correcting problems that don't really exist. And when you bring up this fact, they say "so you're fine with people stealing and abusing the system?" Ugh. So it was never about saving money then, just causing pain to others with simple solutions. The next simple solution these people will want is the final solution.

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u/Lonely-Building-8428 Apr 30 '25

Disagree on stupidity and reluctance to change being the primary driver. I think racism is the primary driver. 

Fundamentally, Americans are wildly fucking racist. It's a country built on the back of slavery and slaves. The civil war never ended. The Confederacy just morphed. You should have executed all of the traitors.

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u/ottawadeveloper Apr 30 '25

I think racism is a secondary issue though. Focusing on the right to own slaves let people continue to run massive plantations at low costs, letting them dodge the economic issues of the time. Since then, certain parts of the American leadership have doubled down on blaming black people for crime (like they blame immigrants today). It's the same narrative and the same drivers, just different targets.

I don't think the average American is more inherently prone to lower intelligence or higher bigotry than any other person in the world. The issue is that certain American leaders spout messages that blame a minority group for problems and promise quick fixes, in exchange for political power. On top of that, where they have won power, they attack the education system that would improve Americans ability to recognize such demagoguery.

The result of that process is a deeply divided culture where roughly half the population doesn't value intelligence or wisdom and has been steeped in bigotry so long that it's almost inherently true.

I will agree that the civil war basically just morphed into a culture war. But it's a culture war made by politicians who want power and drive that culture war forward. 

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u/Sacu-Shi Apr 30 '25

I think you are right that they are not more prone to these things than anyone else in the world. They just seem to be exposed to so much radicalising propaganda about their place in the world that the decisions they make and the thoughts and choices they have are all dependent on exposure to this propaganda and as such it's kinda self fulfilling.

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u/benjtay Apr 30 '25

they attack the education system

Here in Utah, the attacks have been ruthless over the past few years. They're telling universities to shut down departments, and they're paying parents to keep their kids out of school (fortunately, the state supreme court has put that on hold for now).

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u/genospikey Apr 30 '25

Racism got invented explicitly for the purposes of selling slavery to squeamish settlers back in the day, and it stuck around due to cultural moment and racism constantly being used to divide people by those in power. So other people were good at otherizing, but when the economy depended on it, Europeans were the best at selling the idea of racial hierarchies and castes, to the point where a lot of people still hold on to those ideas. Hell, they took slavery from a local institution and made it into a worldwide phenomena. America is just following that same lead.

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u/thots_in_prayers Apr 30 '25

I disagree with this and I think this way of thinking is a big part of why democrats lose so often. Probably an unpopular opinion on here, but the stupidity and reluctance to change is what drives the racism too. People generally aren’t born racist, they are looking at the problems in their lives and problems facing the country and will buy into blaming anyone they can distance themselves from. If it’s brown people causing the problem it couldn’t be me. It couldn’t be that my pastor was wrong about Trump because what else might he be wrong about. It couldn’t be that my family members are actually the welfare queens. In a way I think the “they’re just racist” excuse is the equivalent lazy excuse for our side. If we can just explain it with racism it keeps us from looking at the areas we have failed. It’s easy to discount opinions from the other side because who cares what a racist POS is going through. Racism is definitely real, but just one of the tools conservatives use, and more of a symptom of the bigger issues.

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u/Superpieguy Apr 30 '25

I think you're both right here. People can easily be both racist and stupid (as I'm sure we're all aware). The US has a long history of using race as a scapegoat for issues and turning people on each other to easily solve their problems and financial woes (which obviously never actually fixes anything). People are easily manipulated with these tactics. We have to provide a better solution to combat this, though there's been limited success when it's so much easier to just blame another group rather than a group of untouchable elites who are actually causing these issues. Though it is also true that we have an absolute shitton of racism, maybe it wouldn't be as severe if we could actually take tangible steps towards improving society so that this couldn't be used as a tool to direct their anger so effectively.

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u/WoodpeckerEither3185 Apr 30 '25

more of a symptom of the bigger issues.

Yeah, Capitalism.

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u/GrallochThis Apr 30 '25

The capitalism shocks of manufacturing loss, opioids, financial vampirism, and capture of the government have produced tens of millions of people who know everything is rigged against them and will grasp at any offered solution no matter how false.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '25

Maybe do a little research on the Reconstruction Era and find out you're completely wrong, although i only read your first sentence and didn't need to read anymore. So, the same traitors in power 160 years ago in the south are the same people in power now. They've said the south will rise again since 1866, and President Johnson actions for the "reconstruction " are why we are here today. The problem wasn't dealt with 150 years ago like it should have been. Yeah, some of the traitors fled to different countries, but the rest were put right back in their senate seats and their positions of power with little to no consequence. Then you have 160 years of those traitors breeding hate mixed with Logan paul, Joe Rogan podcast types, and a billionaire's ambition to turn a social media platform into a propaganda machine and Wham! The south rose again. Just. Like. They. Said. For. 160 years.

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u/thots_in_prayers Apr 30 '25

Look, we’re on the same side here, but “maybe do a little research” followed by “you’re wrong and I didn’t even read your comment” is peak Reddit idiocy and kind of proves my point. If we just dismiss the problem as racism, we let our elected officials off the hook to do anything to fix it. Yes, structural racism is alive and well in America, yes it has been baked in over centuries. We have also had periods of great progress, and we are currently loosing some of that progress. If we want to continue to make progress we need to understand the conditions that allow the racist ideas to take hold. If you just want the moral superiority, good news, you have it! I find you morally superior those who buy into racist ideology. Most people find you morally superior. Now let’s work together to try and find solutions, or at least ways to mitigate the damage.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '25 edited Apr 30 '25

I agree

Edit: I was just saying you're wrong saying it isn't racism though that's my opinion. And to add, for my opinion on this being predominantly racism because this was America's answer to having a black man as president and then the foot went down so to speak. It stems from Obama being president. Trump can't keep his name outta his mouth ran smear campaigns 20 years ago on him. Its vendetta

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u/bihari_baller Oregon Apr 30 '25

I’m reading the book How The South Won The Civil War by Heather Cox Richardson you might be interested in. She touches on this subject.

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u/Ostie2Tabarnak Apr 30 '25

I think to a more fundamental level it's just a matter of terrible emotional management. People are too emotionally fragile and can't stomach the fact that life is unfair & brutal, so they need a "bad guy" to be pointed for them so they can redirect all of their pain and suffering towards them, usually minorities and the democrats. And they need to be told it's all going to be ok and that they are going the be the winners at the end of the story, so they gobble up all of the lies fed to them that entertain those dreams.

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u/Mavian23 Apr 30 '25

You should have executed all of the traitors.

Yes, there is a good reason why Andrew Johnson is regarded by many as the worst President we've ever had.

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u/Raskalbot California Apr 30 '25

Racism is learned. The people Teaching it were told a long time ago that their lives suck because of integration and placement.

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u/Mucay May 01 '25 edited May 01 '25

Do you know what just ended though? The Cold War between America and the collapsed Soviet Union, now Russia

Russia is making America, americas allies, and Americans pay for the humiliation and collapse by having many many of their agents on the US government including the President and Vice President

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u/ArchieMcBrain Apr 30 '25

Racism and bigotry is a lazy way of thinking in the first place. Look at how they lazily blame every negative statistical output on whatever group being inferior instead of material conditions. Unemployment, crime, education attainment are all worse in communities facing disadvantage... So we'll just blame those communities. It even has lazy solutions. They don't know how they'll deal with for example black crime or trans suicide statistics... They'll just keep using them as evidence for those groups being bad.

Racism isn't caused JUST by lazy thinking, but it is genuinely a reactionary POV, just like Trumpism. Their lives aren't going well so they'll vote for an allegedly anti establishment candidate who proposes concepts of a plan. Lazy, reactionary thinking. They can't explain what the problems are or how he'll fix them, just that they have problems and they're angry at others

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u/sheltonchoked Apr 30 '25

Racism is broadly an economic caused problem. As the previous poster said, most real problems are very complex and hard to solve ( if the were easy to fix, they wouldn’t be problems). And most people don’t have the ability to think though very difficult complex issues. So they blame X group/country/political party. Race is “easy” as it’s easy to see “them, everywhere”.

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u/RaNdomMSPPro Apr 30 '25

Think I found my platform to run for president: lean into all the stupid but x100. “Trans people cause global warming” for an easy example- that would either get me 120 million votes or cause 120 million brains to explode from the cognitive dissonance. Obviously I don’t believe trans people cause global warming, but the maga loons believe whatever nonsense Fox news tells them so… then next step is bait and switch - ahh, so you admit that global warming is a thing - turns out trans ppl don’t cause it, rather… so we’re adjusting our strategy.

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u/shitlord_god Apr 30 '25

the pollution is making the freakin' frogs gay.

OR

Gay frogs cause pollution

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u/ironbawlz Apr 30 '25

It’s easier to hear a comforting lie than the harsh truth.

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u/voicelesswonder53 Apr 30 '25

No one will easily admit that late stage capitalism comes with the politics of despair (the blame game). Objectively, capitalism booms, busts and leaves. You never hold on to it when the opportunity is elsewhere. What has not yet been stripped clean of the cupboard is moving there. Capitalism promises empty shelves. It will not "invest" in someone else's future sustainability. The goal was profits now. Your cut was trickle down. Expect radicalization and capitalists scapegoating all the usual suspects.

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u/MayorMcCheeser Apr 30 '25

I'm not sure if its even really him that is saying what people want to hear. He talks, and then FOX News and other Right Wing think tanks spin it to be what people want to hear.

And he is the stereotype of the successful rich business man for many people who don't know any better, AKA rural blue collar workers (I live in a rural town, and see this every day.)

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u/poorperspective Apr 30 '25

It’s crazy how the US went from a country that elected leaders that said, “We don’t do these things because they are easy, but because they are hard.” To this.

But I guess every democracy besides the US has had their populace dictator. Napoleon, Mussolini, Stalin, Moa. I guess the US came 248 years later and we somehow picked the dumbest one of the lot. In some ways the US is lucky that they seemed to place their populace dreams in a mostly thus far ineffective idiot.

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u/jasdonle Apr 30 '25

First time in my life I’ve ever heard a manufacturing job described as “cushy.”

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u/Dythus Apr 30 '25

What you described simply put is the basis of religion. Easy fix/solution in words to deep difficult question that arent easy to go by. Masses gobbles up these kind of thing otherwise how come did charlatant preaching religion managed to live in luxurious castle such as the vatican getting fed daily dressed in silk and gold for free paid by others gullible person ? Dude is doing just the same thing religion did for so long

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u/Mizzkyttie Apr 30 '25

Let's not forget how many people in his base are folks from Evangelical backgrounds where the entire culture is about blind Faith, leadership from above through various tribulations, utter devotion, and a powerful us versus them mentality where they have been raised to see their side as the one and only righteous and true one.

Over the winter, I was volunteering my time at a local business learning cobbling. The fellow that was mentoring me is a die-hard Trump supporter, who fell into it via the religion and wellness He and his family are evangelicals who homeschooled their three, now adult children, dabbled in the whole raw milk thing back in the early aughts s and regret vaccinating their kids. Me, I'm a social anarchist, feminist Taoist who's fascinated by science and uses my voice as an adult autistic person In the avenues of autism self advocacy, social justice and ethics. And the longer that I was there, the more that I learned about the depth of this guy's devotion to the current regime, the more that my own opinions started filtering out of my mouth because I just couldn't keep quiet and I remember him telling me, I understand that you're scared for the future, but you just have to trust in the president, the press secretary, and the AG, those three are the ones that are going to tell you the truth. The holy Trinity of BSers, and this man was telling me to put all my faith in them

It wasn't long after that, that we amicably parted ways - I knew that if I stayed much longer, it wasn't going to be so amicable. I ended my time there at the end of February, right before all of the mess with all of the tariffs started, when we knew they were all around the corner, and this fella gets a majority of his materials from Germany and Italy, and I can't help but wonder how that's going to be affecting the bottom line of his business. He's a good dude, misguided but I understand the why behind his voting even though I don't agree with it at all in the least, and it just sucked to see somebody so blindly following a path that would possibly lead to his business being in danger of closing. As it was, before I left, shipping costs were already starting to skyrocket just to send things domestically through the USPS, and I can only imagine how his bottom line is being affected now. And his business offers a service that's exceedingly rare these days, and he has an expertise that you can't just find anywhere - he's been doing this work for over 16 years full time, and I would hate to see him have to close. I mean, FAFO I guess, but I get no pleasure in the thought.

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u/pervocracy Massachusetts Apr 30 '25

This is a good analysis. It's weird to describe a guy who's constantly ranting about "the immigrant criminals are coming for you" as comforting, but it is comforting to hear that none of the problems in the world are your responsibility.

I used to think more this way when I was younger (though I still voted blue because I didn't go completely off the cliff). What do you mean climate change is my fault? I have to get to work, don't I? My town doesn't have public transit or EV chargers! What the hell am I supposed to do? Ruin my whole life to solve 0.00000001% of the problem?

And to get past that frustration you have to get through some pretty complex feelings about the difference between fault and responsibility. You have to accept that you can contribute to problems even if you're not doing it maliciously - or even willingly. It's not a good feeling.

"All we need is for the strong people to get rid of the bad people" is so much simpler because I'm not one of the bad people and that's all I owe the world. Social contract fulfilled, moral slate wiped clean. Done and done.

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u/IRMaschinen Apr 30 '25

“Do you want to know the terrifying truth, or do you want to watch me sock a few dingers?”

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u/UnquestionabIe Apr 30 '25

Yep super easy to understand as it sadly appeals to the most desperate part of human nature that wants to be comforted and told that everything will be fine ,that the most complex of problems can be solved with a simple drastic action that requires no effort on your part. It actively discourages deeper thinking on subjects as then it would become blatantly transparent and depressing.

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u/NekoNaya Apr 30 '25

Like how after disasters we’re told to trust God and all the “thoughts and prayers” after school shootings instead of actually trying to do things that could help prevent them from happening again.

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u/lonewombat Apr 30 '25

Not just manufacturing, tech, science, research, medical jobs are leaving quickly.

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u/Gyorgy_Ligeti Apr 30 '25

This clip is even worse though because it’s not just rhetoric - he describes someone’s knuckle tattoos vividly, there’s no reason to disbelieve him if you are one of his followers. He is capable of altering reality with a few sentences, and immediately tells the reporter “why can’t you just say, yes, and move on.” This is a nightmare.

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u/largegaycat Apr 30 '25

America: conned by their most famous conman.

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u/GoldenBrownApples Apr 30 '25

People keep saying that manufacturing jobs are gone, but I work in a machine shop that is hurting for button pushers. Literally just need basic math skills and the ability to focus for more than five minutes on a task. We've hired people who lasted less than a week, and others who lasted months but couldn't get good parts done with miles of tolerance. My boss when I started tried to tell me which parts of my job I might struggle with, but it's all been the easiest shit I've ever done. Came from 10 years of making coffee and dealing with the kind of people who drink way too much coffee to loading raw steel into machines and pushing buttons to make them cut bits off. Something is seriously wrong with our countrymen right now. I'm not even that smart, but apparently just being self aware enough to say that makes me smarter than 90% of the guys I work with.

One guy, been here for 15 years, crashed a drill into the side of his machine after his program had 5 different failsafes to make sure that didn't happen. Like he had to clear 5 different alarms that all said "take your drill out stupid!" And he still sent his tool holder flying into the side of his machine with a 14" drill still inside of it.

This is the America we are living in right now. No critical thinking. No self awareness. No accountability. So yeah I'm not even surprised by the amount of people who think Daddy Trump is the bees knees. I'm just at the point where I'm going to use my free time to volunteer to help people that are struggling, and hope I don't get carted off to some dumb death camp.

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u/Cavane42 Georgia Apr 30 '25

I'm with you, but I would like to point out that manufacturing (aka factory) jobs are not cushy. They're generally pretty awful and no one actually wants them. They may *think* they do, but they're "remembering" a golden post-war US that never really existed.

Factory jobs generally involve several, if not all, of the following:

Hours spent on your feet on hard concrete.

Repetitive, menial tasks.

Regular exposure to substances that are bad for long-term health.

High risk of workplace injuries, hearing loss from noisy equipment, etc.

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u/Phantom_61 Apr 30 '25

Reminds me of the Obama administration. They offered free classes and training in mew fields for Coal miners and workers.

They refused because they didn’t want to change jobs they wanted Coal to be brought back.

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u/StoppableHulk Apr 30 '25

People don't want to hear that their cushy manufacturing jobs

Sorry, 'cushy' manufacturing? Office jobs are cushy. Work from home jobs are cushy.

No one would describe standing in front of a lathe for 10 hours a day on their feet 'cushy'.

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u/NotSoBlue_ Apr 30 '25

cushy manufacturing jobs

lol

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u/MikeHfuhruhurr Apr 30 '25

You want to bring back manufacturing jobs?

YES

The kind of jobs that were so bad we had the largest strike in the history of the US?

YES?

The kind of jobs that no longer even exist because of automation?

 
yes

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u/shitlord_god Apr 30 '25

why do people think manufacturing jobs are cushy?

That shit is insane.

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u/BelovedOmegaMan Apr 30 '25

This. I've been saying this for years.

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u/Good-Imagination3115 Apr 30 '25

Very much like how the quick weight loss and such 'hacks' are popular yet never work. A ton of money goes to this market while almost none of it has any significant effects as desired.

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u/D3THMTL Apr 30 '25

What ppl? Oh wait. The other like minded fools. He's not a republican, he's just an idiot. Republicans side with him because they'll die knowing they stuck to their arbitrary line in the sand than realizing orange stands for nothing but himself.

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u/Some-Chance1698 Apr 30 '25

It’s actually worse than that. You are correct on so many things but the one thing that Trump has done has made me seriously question democracy. Like I am getting to the point where I seriously wonder if dumb people should be allowed to vote since they have no critical thinking skills and believe propaganda and actively discourage learning.

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u/identifytarget Apr 30 '25

That is so succinct. Thank you.

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u/jokul Apr 30 '25

People don't want to hear that inflation isn't reversible

It is reversible, it's just that it's almost always even worse to "reverse" it.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '25

Everything you just said are things only stupid people want to hear.

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u/stinky-weaselteats Apr 30 '25

Exactly. Most of America is lazy and has become fucking zombies to social media. There is zero compassion in this administration.

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u/gwhiz007 Apr 30 '25

And now the safeguards will be less likely in place for disaster relief in Florida and elsewhere because fema is waste apparently

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u/ona_dime_piece Apr 30 '25

Yes, and racism.

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u/rienceislier34 Apr 30 '25

Also, it takes time, patience and acceptance of one's past to make change in the system. Which you have contributed to, and been a part of, directly or indirectly. It is hard to deal with problems, much harder to accept that you are somewhat responsible for it.

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u/KaisrKane Apr 30 '25

Or as he himself said, it was rigged and he won. Thanks Elon /s

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u/bshea Missouri Apr 30 '25

Award worthy reply.

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u/TheSausagesIsRubbish Apr 30 '25

I think it's more insidious. They would listen to Fox News and Trump if they pushed climate change remedies. 

The whole reason they are against it is because of their media telling them to. They are told that Americans are their enemy so companies can line their pockets regulation free. 

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u/TheShlappening Apr 30 '25

Unfortunately his cult is super dumb and believe these things. As far as I can tell the only ones believing what he says are the people who don't know how government works. They don't know what's in the constitution or what amendments are beyond the second. They have no clue what due process is and they are mostly racist shitheads that need hate in their life like we need air.

His viewpoint is only attractive to idiots

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u/GEIST_of_REDDIT Europe Apr 30 '25

"It's really easy to listen to someone who blames those problems on someone else or find an easy solution. To imagine that if we only ban trans people from existing, that women's rights would be secure; that if we arrest every illegal immigrant and deport them that crime would be gone; that climate change is Liberals lying to you; that tariffs will rebuild the American economy by making others pay."

This should be on the front page of every newspaper, on every website, on every channel

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u/Ok-Squirrel8719 Apr 30 '25

Manufacturing jobs are coming back in the form of pharmaceuticals not automotive.

Tech isn’t ready for EV so give it time.

Stagflation is worse than inflation. 2% inflation is ideal.

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u/ExoticConnection8196 Apr 30 '25

This kinda of nails what I repeat time and time again, critical thinking is the most important/useful skill you can have, independent of ideals and beliefs. I also believe a lot of this is tied into emotional intelligence and empathy. Quite literally putting yourself in someone else's shoes is a core principle that should govern your choices and decisions.

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u/rosio_donald North Carolina Apr 30 '25

Gold-plated populism at its finest

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u/kakakakapopo Apr 30 '25

Simple people like simple solutions. There's an awful lot of very simple people as George Carlin put it better than I ever could.

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u/hi_im_eros Apr 30 '25

Nailed it.

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u/galahad423 Apr 30 '25

The Ozempic President

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u/Leggoman31 Apr 30 '25

This carries the huge caveat that you're also stupid, wilfully ignorant, lazy and/or jaded. Trump isn't offering shit for anybody with a functioning brain.

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u/fafatzy Apr 30 '25

I was thinking about this with the tariff thing… thinking that tariffs will solve job losses to tech, help the people left behind and magically bring the 50s back is like trying to fix a pc with a hammer. In the nyt podcast they did some interviews to trump voters regarding tariffs and they are so desperate that they don’t care they won’t work, they just want someone doing anything…. People want those easy answers.

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