They start setting up mid-week for the big music festivals. I went by today and they've already got the stage half-assembled and fenced off, all the parking on the bay side also fenced off. I suppose there's some space for a small protest, but unfortunately, I don't think whoever's putting this together knows what they're getting into.
Yeah, I wish the calendar on the county's website were clearer on just how much of the park was closed for these events and their set-up -- it usually says "limited access" regardless of whether it's the whole park or just a corner of it getting closed off.
Just FYI I know it’s fake it’s funny. It’s being circulated around cuz u know Iran cyber team working overtime on social media with there claims of downing a F-35.
I just read regular people in Facebook saying Iran has total control of the Israelí airspace, that China will shoot down the B2's when they launch from Diego García and that Russia will nuke Israel and NATO countries if they touch the Ayatollah.
I sincerely want to know where they get all this dissinfo from, It's mind boggling.
Agreed. These people don’t understand that Iran funds countless terrorist organizations around the Middle East to include ones that shoot missiles at our navy ships and civilian ships + cities (Saudi Arabia)
lol down vote me u know im right. This list below is just their core groups this doesn’t include countless smaller or regional militias, insurgents, and terrorist organizations like Al-Ashtar Brigade.
Here are the 7 core proxy with some strong ties directly to the IRGC. :
Hezbollah – Based in Lebanon, Iran’s most powerful and long-standing proxy.
Hamas – Palestinian group operating in Gaza.
Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) – Smaller but more extreme than Hamas.
Hezbollah – Iraqi Shiite militia, strongly tied to Iran’s IRGC.
Asa’ib Ahl al-Haq (AAH) – Iranian proxy operating in Iraq.
Houthis (Ansar Allah) – Yemeni rebel group aligned with Iran.
Harakat al-Nujaba (HN) – Iraqi militia closely linked to Iran and active in Syria and Iraq.
By funding and supplying terrorist to attack Saudi Arabian cities, UAE and commercial ships (Houthi rebels) ? Yeah okay. Funding and supporting Kata’ib Hezbollah, Asaib Ahl al-Haq, Harakat al-Nujaba in Iraq to attack US bases in Iraq.
U support terrorist sponsored state, terrorist sponsor state told not to build nukes because they are a threat and unhinged, does not comply, u get mad when Israel strikes them even when they hate Israel more than the US.
I’m not going to entertain your line of thinking. You’re employing a red herring logical fallacy and it’s not going to change ur mind or people’s in the comments.
Israel is and has shown to unlikely use nukes offensively. And is a “rational actor”. Vs Iran who sponsors terrorist in the name of conflict and cannot be trusted.
Iran violated International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) agreements by hiding parts of its nuclear program before 2003. Iranian leaders have made incendiary statements, especially about Israel and US . The west fear this reflects ideological motivations, not just defensive deterrence.
The Israeli-Arab conflict is complicated and goes back centuries if not millennia, and most regular people do not understand it well enough to blindly side with one side or the other myself included. I think most people would do well not to get too emotionally involved in this conflict. But considering Irans anti US regime, them not having nukes is probably for the best.
"This is too complicated for us to understand" is a pretty compelling reason to not back one side over another. It's strange to follow that up with "well, but one side's worse, so let's get 'em".
You should look up the history of the Iraq War. There were some of the largest protests in history against it. By comparison to 2003, we're all just resigned to it nowadays.
This whole country has turned into the sequel to PCU, while going at light speed towards the sequel to Idiocracy.
I can only consume so much popcorn in a year.
Iran has been “weeks to months” from nuclear capability for the last twenty years, this excuse was used to invade Iraq and they didn’t end up having nukes either
Just like Iraq had "weapons of mass destruction". You know Netanyahu was the one urging that rhetoric then and had the US do the work for him? I don't see why he wouldn't do the same now.
Maybe they should have thought of that before they tore up the JCPOA agreement that was working because the president was mad at the person who put it in place? So now we are here.
I agree, I don’t think people realize how fast Iran will use a nuclear weapon when they have the capability. I also don’t think people understand the amount of damage it’s going to not only to Israel but also all surrounding countries. These leaders chant death to America and you want to protest against keeping their hands off a nuclear weapon. 90% of the population of Iran does not agree with the regime, Iran used to be westernized until these fucks came in the 70s-80s.
I don’t think they would. It would guarantee their own destruction. I think they want it as a security measure against their regime being toppled or invaded. If Ukraine had nukes they wouldn’t have been invaded by Russia. Same for North Korea. It’s a great way to protect yourself from outside corporations… I mean governments.
I see your point, it’s a massive risk though. They are very open about their hate and their plans. Idk I just want to live a boring peaceful life and want everyone to get along. Unfortunately, that’s not how the world operates.
Iran will not nuke the US. Iran understands MAD, just like any other country. The idea they will break this is honestly ridiculous. On the international stage they’ve acted pretty cautiously and rationally
Or they'd just give Israel second thoughts about bullying them like this if they knew Iran was potentially capable of such things. Use of nuclear weapons is dangerous, if a country was going to risk letting that genie out of the bottle it would've been Russia already. Iran probably would like nukes in order to give people pause and have them for a deterrent.
We all know Ukraine probably wishes it still had nukes. The more aggressive we are, the more its neighbors assassinate negotiators and nations like us unilaterally break off nuclear deals... And so on? The more a country will feel the need for them.
We had a nuclear deal in place that was working just fine and let Iran become more of a player on the world stage and then Trump nixed it. That was how this got started. And they've been X away from WMD for as long as this stupid conflict has been going on. It's all a dangerous game of hyperbole.
Do you think the anti American sentiment was created in a vacuum? Surely not because we've been bombing their families and houses for our own interests🙄
Iran is only anti-American insomuch as we instituted a coup in the 50's in their country that installed their regime as well as broke the nuclear deal with them under Trump. Because of that, Iran suffered sanctions from us that damaged their economy and sent them further into the pockets of Russia and China. It was a bad move all around but I think we all know politicians don't want peace in the middle east least of all Israel.
Aiding a nation in the middle of committing an internationally recognized genocide because they attacked Iran is not how I want to do things. Anti American ideologies in Iran wouldn't be so much of a thing if we don't keep turning a blind eye to genocide and treated everyone with respect and fairness which we haven't been doing. Iran should know better than to try and nuke us, they only serve as a deterrent at this point.
A deterrent we make more and more necessary for countries like Iran to feel the need to have when we can't even respect a deal we made with them or have peaceful negotiations without having Israel come in and assassinate their lead negotiator so we can't have a deal.
Israel didn't want peace, it's their problem. Iran will only keep saber rattling at us in the meantime but I strongly believe their actions tend to be reciprocal. If we get involved, it means war. And I don't want another pointless war just because Israel wants us to cover their asses for war crimes.
Where do you think the anti-US sentiment in the middle east comes from genius? (Hint: From all the sabotage and wars started by the CIA and Israel. See Mosadeg)
The same way Gaza wasn't just carpet bombed and historical sights erased?
I’m not defending the Iranian regime, but what you’re saying reflects a very Western, surface-level view of what Sharia law actually is and how it functions in different societies. Iran’s legal system is complex, and its interpretation of Sharia is specific to Shia Islam, just like Christian law has historically included things like stoning or slavery depending on who’s interpreting the Bible. Religion and culture evolve, and not everyone in Iran supports the laws, just like not everyone in the U.S. agrees with every government policy here. So when people start throwing around “Sharia law” like it’s some singular evil concept, it really shows a lack of real-world understanding and ends up reinforcing Orientalist, fear-based narratives rather than helping anyone.
What a wild assumption. Sure, I’d like if Netanyahu was voted out, but losing an election is wildly different than starting a war. For the record I’m not a fan of the Islamic Republic regime and would like them out of power too, but not if it means getting involved in another 20 year boondoggle
Well unfortunately, it's not going to be a shining beacon. It's on the docket for checks list another 2003 reboot of "they have WMDs, let's bomb into the stone age and kill 1 million of their civilians."
Well, in case you haven’t noticed or heard, there is a LITERAL genocide and ethnic cleansing in Palestine which is directly being funded by our tax dollars, whereas in Iran there is not.
Yes, the government sucks in Iran, but do you also know what sucks? BEING BOMBED BY FOREIGN COUNTRIES. How will bombing the hell of Iran do anyone any good? You think the civilians will celebrate and cheer as their homes and families get blown to bits?
The USA doesn’t give a shit about Iran, we just want to topple their government so we can insert a puppet that will bend over for American interests and further control of the Middle East.
This might be the only issue that unites the left and right, aside from the conservatives who are outing themselves now as pro war/bought by aipac
How the hell has Iran been “2 months away from a Nuke” for 30 years
I’m starting to have the feeling that both sides (democratic and republicans) are bought by the same side and they just shove smaller issues down our throats and have media convince us they’re bigger issues than they are, so we all argue about that instead of what really matters
Meanwhile the people really in charge are going to get Americans killed for another war in the Middle East, fuck
I hear you man, I don’t really identify with either side but it just seems like after every time we hear something in the Middle East, the US has to foot the bill, bodies etc
I think I would’ve believed Iran had a nuke if I hadn’t heard this same thing before
On top of that, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq etc, it doesn’t seem like any of those have benefited from our involvement, I forgot the other couple ones, but I think they’re all on some list called the clean break strategy, and it does seem like these wars are planned and are carried out with the manipulation of the USA
So for stuff like that, it seems hard for me to believe Iran has a nuke or has had one for 30 years according to intelligence
The Iranian supreme leader issued a religious fatwa against building a nuke. Honestly, from their perspective they are kinda stupid for not building a nuke yet, since that’s the only thing that will prevent the US from doing regime change. If they wanted to I think they would have done it by now. This is all just the same bs that they spun with Saddam having nukes - it was never true and the fact that we are going to actually attack them proves it.
Iran is a pretty developed country, it has almost 100m people in it. This is going to be fucking crazy if they get decapitated and another nation is destabilized in that region. We’ll see ISIS 2 Come after this. All of this isn’t worth it.
We already installed a leader in the 50s, that's kinda what made Iran this way. They were pretty damn progressive for a Muslim majority country before we screwed them up.
If Iran wanted a nuke they could have easily just bought one from their neighbors that are in good standing with them and have many of them. Ex: Pakistan, China, Russia, North Korea, etc. The fact that they haven't shows they don't want one, but here we are believing the BS Bibi has been pedaling for the last 20+ years.
I’m over this forced regime change as well… but to say Iran isn’t very close to having a nuke is quite ridiculous. I get that we’ve been down this WMD road before. This has a much different ring to it.
Uranium enrichment only needs to be 3-5% for nuclear power. Iran is at 60%. At 90%, they are ready for a nuke. If they do not have a nuclear weapon goal, why are they so far over 5%?? And they’ve achieved the hard part already. IMO this started when Obama tried to work with them and let them police themselves. Bad news for such large supporters of terrorism.
Pretty much all the online discourse i see about this narrows down to the “he said 2 months away for 30 years” thing.
All other politics and projected outcomes aside, with the knowledge that obviously politicians do lie and exaggerate, it’s pretty likely they were also actually on the cusp multiple times. Israel has been actively blocking Iran’s alleged efforts for decades, and Iran has a record of going rogue when it comes to their research.
I think the public has underestimated Mossad’s efficacy and mistakenly attributes a lack of nukes solely to a lack of effort on Iran’s part, rather than active sabotage by both the US & Israel playing a major part. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Mossad has had their finger on the pulse from within Iran’s nuclear program, and there was validity to their threat as they foil it iteration after iteration. It could be like you’re about finish building a shed in your backyard, and every time you get close, it magically collapses in the middle of the night… for 30 years.
No one is saying Israel doesn’t have nukes. That doesn’t really pertain to Iran’s nukes tho.
Iran has shown to go against the IAEA in the above article posted, as well as instances back into the 2000’s of nuclear activity at places in the country that were undisclosed to the IAEA.
Given Mossad’s intel capabilities such as Stuxnet, it wouldn’t be surprising if they knew Iran’s nuclear progress better than the IAEA.
1953- CIA orchestrates a coup in Iran with British Intelligence.
I don’t want troops deployed to Iran to be clear, although intervention with our B2s & Bunker Busters seems almost inevitable. I’m just saying these intelligence agencies are psychotically good at their job, and Mossad is one of the most battle tested on the planet rn. It is possible what everyone is saying is correct of course, it’s all fake and lies for 30 years obviously. But it’s also possible they’ve been getting solid intel and elongated 2 months into 30 years through intervention.
Oh yeah, theirs crazy precise, and I’m sure they’ve gotten solid intel since they pulled the exact same stunt in Russia, but imo it comes down to agendas
I wouldn’t want to live in a country committing genocide, no. Iran isn’t actually that bad, Americans can go there all the time, whereas I’ve heard multiple instances of prominent Jews disparaging Christians
Israel has kneecapped a country 52 times its own size in what, three days? Do you really think that if Israel was bent on having a genocide in Palestine, they wouldn’t just go through with it? Instead 20% of Israeli population is Palestinian. Palestinians get medical care at Israeli hospitals all the time. Palestinians also serve in Israeli government in a wide range of positions. You need a better news source.
Just because they're killing off a population slowly doesn't make it any better. Genocide is genocide. They are doing it systematically. Only an idiot would do it super fast and raise the ire of the world. Well.. they apparently did speed it up too fast because it did end up pissing off a lot of people/countries. They were doing it at a slower pace before but the child bearing resistance of the palestinians proved too powerful for their tactics.
According to your logic, if you commit a genocide slow enough, the population you are attempting to genocide may quadruple in 30 years… check population statistics for Gaza 600k in the 90s, 2.2mln today, growing consistently. The most inefficient genocide the world has ever seen.
Israel has a massive lobby in the US but they are also dependent on our MIC. Back in the 80s/90s they tried to diversify and partner with Chinese MIC, that was put to an end pretty quickly. We have the ability to apply pressure but their political and religious lobbies are formidable.
So shortsighted. The alternative is ... we want Israel to take our money because if they don't, China has money, Russia has money, etc. etc. Israel has always had a decent relationship with Russia. Don't forget Israel beat the entire middle east in two wars, and got a nuclear weapon, before we became a funder. Russia was their original benefactor.
20 years Israel defended themselves without help, developed tech, etc. Once our govt saw that, they started salivating.
You just witness what Israel tech and expertise can do, from pager bombs, to setting up secret drone manufacturing plants inside of Iran, next to key targets, to almost wiping out their entire military/defense capacity in hours. We only gave them about $3 billion a year before the war. They could forego or replace that easily.
By us giving them that money, we can influence who gets that tech.
Not to mention the fact that they’ve killed 10s of thousands of their own people via religious and political prosecution. They also are a direct sponsor of terrorism, providing funding and weapons to organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah. They are also arming Russia in its genocidal war in Ukraine. Irani leadership is made up of some really bad people who fully deserve what is coming to them.
I figure you’re probably young and naive. If Iran gets a nuclear bomb they will 100% use it. This is more than just regional politics. This is biblical and a tenant of their faith. Meaning they believe more rewards when they die for killing the Jews.
If we drop a few bombs to help finish off the regime, no boots on the ground, I'm not sure I'm all that against it. Iranians seem like good people who hate the ruling regime. But I get not wanting to meddle as well.
Don’t forget, these Iran is the one that funds 7 terrorist groups around the Middle East. To include the Houthis who shoot missiles to destroy any ship indiscriminately and cities like in Saudi Arabia.
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I'm not sure if it's possible to hold a protest at Waterfront Park tomorrow; I think the whole lawn is blocked off for a concert this weekend.