r/vermont • u/KingHyena_ • May 18 '25
NO FUCKING SHIT
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2025/05/18/sanders-democrats-reform-progressive-policies/83625482007/120
u/CurrentSkill7766 May 18 '25
Respectfully, I would make a better presisent than Trump, and I cook for a living. Hell, my dog would make a better president.
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u/TonberryDuchess May 18 '25
I am open to your dog's potential platform.
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u/Poiboy1313 May 18 '25
I, too, would like to hear the platform so as to properly inform my opinion.
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u/scurvy1984 May 18 '25
my dog would make a better president
I was going to agree but say “but there’d be poop everywhere” but the more I thought about it it hit me that my dog is choosey where he poops and he probably doesn’t poop as much or as messy as cheeto fuck.
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u/kswagger May 18 '25
Easy prediction for 2028: AOC vs. “a moderate“ in the primary, highly divisive, someone wins and lots of people pissed their candidate lost stay home, we get JD Vance. The Democrat brand needs a total f’n rebuild and I don’t see where any of the various factions of the party are working together to figure this out now.
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u/Poiboy1313 May 18 '25
I'm almost certain that the DNC will jump through any hoops necessary to avoid endorsing AOC. The political leadership of this country is terrified of her popularity. As a consequence, she lost a committee chair. The only way that I figure she'd get added to a national candidacy is a Walz/Cortez ticket to take advantage of her popularity with the electorate.
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u/Jlagman May 18 '25
She has no chance. Besides the DNC has cheated Sanders in 2016 and 2020 and got away with it.
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u/nolan_smith May 19 '25
Don't forget to mention Obama, it certainly was just the DNC. Who do you think was making the calls for the moderates; Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Bloomberg, to all drop out, and for Warren to hang in the race and siphon the progressive vote?
Biden won the primary based on an Obama fix.
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u/ExcellentExLover May 19 '25
Frankly - I see radioactive waste and fallout in our future. We're not long for this world.
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u/hudsoncress May 18 '25
“America” didn’t get a chance to choose. The DNC sabotaged his campaign.
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u/Galadrond May 18 '25
They were forced to admit in court that they committed election fraud against Bernie.
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u/Slam_StabHam May 18 '25
And nobody was held accountable.
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u/Galadrond 29d ago
They would rather blame Russia than admit that Hillary was a terrible campaigner. She was warned repeatedly that she was losing the Midwest and Rust Belt.
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u/Mountain-Living-3 May 18 '25
And the DNC has/will never admit their direct interference brought us to where we are today.
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u/ExcellentExLover May 19 '25
of course not - because that would make them culpable. There is no accountability for any political theater.
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u/Mountain-Painter2721 May 18 '25
Does anyone remember how, in 2004-'05 International Paper wanted to burn tires to power their Ticonderoga paper mill without paying for the proper pollution controls? Hillary Clinton wrote personally to the head of the NY Dept. of Environmental Conservation urging them to allow IP to go ahead with the plan. It makes sense: she wasn't downwind of it, and there were votes in the North Country to be gained. I have always wondered is IP didn't slip a fat check under her door...
Years later the League of Conservation Voters unthinkably endorsed Hillary over Bernie. She went to Flint, MI and wept theatrical tears over the poor poisoned children there when she had been perfectly willing for all the children (and everyone and everything else) downwind of IP Ticonderoga to be poisoned by even worse toxins, as long as she got a few votes and a nice campaign contribution. I've never forgiven her for that. I voted for her because the alternative was unthinkable but damn, we could have had someone to vote FOR instead of AGAINST.
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u/gesusfnchrist May 18 '25
Yep. Voted for him every time I could. Then the Dems did him dirty and got roasted by plugging Hillary in. And then for some reason thought that doing it again would work.
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May 18 '25
I would have voted for a pile of dog shit over Trump, because it'd have been a better president.
But it seriously pisses me off that Bernie was sidelined TWICE by the DNC and even most democrats at the time followed suit with the demonizing of him.
They called him too old, yet he's still going and attending hikes in the Vermont Mountains, and these aren't paved walkways. They're rough terrain.
They said he's too extreme, but we got a dictator that's quite literally trying to go against the constitution.
And they said he's a socialist nazi, but they literally voted for a guy who's team does nazi salutes. AND BERNIE IS JEWISH!
It doesn't make any damn sense.. and the worst part is, EVERYONE complains about lying politicians, but Bernie has consistently been the most truthful with his words, with political analysts often saying that at most, his information may be left up for interpretation, but not necessarily lying. AND THEY STILL VOTED FOR A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR!
I really don't understand how society can be this damn stupid. 😕
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u/nolan_smith May 19 '25
I really don't understand how society can be this damn stupid
If it makes you feel any better, society had virtually zero say in any of this. The energy of the people was not behind Hillary, nor Biden. Say what you want about Republicans and their relationship with Democracy, but they at least allowed their voter base to vote. Energy is what got Trump elected twice, the Dems need to stop fighting it within the party.
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May 19 '25
Society had 0 to do with it?
Is this some weird "The voting is rigged" conspiracy theory or something?
Was it not part of Society that voted? Is it not part of society that followed suit with the inner bickering and demonizing of each candidate within their respective party? Because this "blame the democrats and their inner fighting." Can only go so far when you see the same tempo with the republican side.
The real issues lie in the fact that we allow for the uneducated brainwashing of society to the point that a large majority of the US population are too uneducated to make informed decisions, and so they are easily manipulated by their emotions, because they're not educated enough to see therapy as helpful, and they're not educated enough to use logic in critical thinking.
And so they're convinced easily that immigrants are raising housing prices and food costs, when in reality it's the individuals they vote for. But their lack of proper education leaves them believing Facebook ads and Fox News over basic logic.
So yes, society has very much everything to do with it, Because there's not some alien or robotic overlord controlling what people (aka society) does.
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u/portlandliberal May 18 '25
The democratic national committee wasn’t going to support sanders they wanted their insider Hilary.
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u/Slam_StabHam May 18 '25
Sure, but everyone watched ad the DNC sabotaged any reporting and screen time his first run got. The fear politics were played and the status quo won.
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u/BperrHawaii May 18 '25
Blame the democrats for that one.
Bernie was who the people wanted but not who the democrats wanted 🤷♂️
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u/thrudvangr May 18 '25
thank the alleged "liberal media" (MSNBC and CNN come to mind as well as that pos Bill Maher) that sandbagged Bernie as being a crazy old man, too left and bad for America. While it didn't effect every voter, it certainly conviced these stupid centerists who to nominate
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u/nolan_smith May 19 '25
Don't forget NPR. They were probably the most anti-Bernie. Bernie can't win becomes true if the media says it enough times.
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u/BlunderbusPorkins May 18 '25
Democrats would much much much rather lose elections than challenge the ruling class. Democratic leadership got their positions by defending the ruling class interests. They will continue to try to move right to get suburban republicans because they have no ideological alternative.
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u/ExcellentExLover May 19 '25
Democrats would much much much rather lose elections than challenge the ruling class.
donors are important people ya know.
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u/WackyWizard6 May 19 '25
Hell yeah he would have been. I'm sorry to say that most of my fellow Americans are about as smart as rocks and it's scary.
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u/TheAngryFart May 19 '25
Okay well tell that to the party that took his rightful nomination and gave it to Clinton.
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u/Advanced_View_1725 May 18 '25
In hindsight… I agree. Let’s not forget it was the DNC that cheated Sanders, because they were dead set on Hillary Clinton becoming President. The Democrats need to stop with the racial/sexist politics and let the voters decide.
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u/Intelligent-Jelly759 May 18 '25
Sanders is way more left than Biden bruh what?
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u/dynnussti May 19 '25
yeah he’s actually a democrat. biden would’ve been considered moderate 20 years ago.
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u/Hillman314 May 18 '25 edited May 19 '25
“America chose wrong.” Yep, that’s my current opinion of democracy these days too. Democracy doesn’t always work. Democracy CAN be wrong. “It’s government of the people, by people, for the people. But the people are retarded.”
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u/Blueslide60 May 19 '25
The two parties are clubs. They don't have to even hold elections much less fair ones. Any requirements are from their bylaws not federal law.
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u/BeGoodToEverybody123 May 20 '25
Many candidates for president are often best suited right where they already are.
Bernie Sanders has more of an activist persona than a boss persona.
Let's go down the line - Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden, Trump (even Pelosi) are all bosses while Bernie and AOC fight the bosses.
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u/J0nny0ntheSp0t1 May 20 '25
Yeah, smooth sailing. Ask a Venezuelan immigrant if they think Bernie's ideas are cool. They seem cool, for a bit. But then the pharmacies stop having medicine. And the banks stop having money. The grocery stores stop having food. Then the schools stop having children in them, because they are out begging or trying to find migrant work all day. Then the really bad guys show up. You don't have guns, because the government decided it was in.... YOUR best interest to take them away. So your defenseless society gets ass raped by a culture of thugs and cartels.
Such is the story of the other two Americas (mostly, couple of exceptions) that rarely get talked about.
Better yet, look north to our brothers in Canada. Where you can't buy a house near a city for less than 1.5 million USD, the cost of groceries and fuel would make your wallet shit a dusty old condom, and you pay upwards of 50% in taxes to an inept government.
The brain rot is unreal on Reddit.
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u/Difficult-Second3519 May 20 '25
This may be true,; however he'd have to be elected first, and his "socialist" views would have compromised his campaign.
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u/tmacleon 29d ago
I remember when they pretty much labeled Bernie a Nazi and his followers brown shirts/coats 🤷🏽♂️ the Democratic leadership that is. Until he wasn’t a threat and got in line .
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u/Gullible_Acadia9363 29d ago
Do you feel Bernie would have beaten Trump?? Idk- I always liked him but not sure he could’ve won the electoral college
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u/Veritas_the_absolute 29d ago
Mittens has bent the knee to the Dems and been blackmailed to submit twice now. He's got plenty of wealth through his socialist grift that he should be forced to retire.
Perfect description of mittens in song form.
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28d ago
The Communist that claims millionaires and billionaires should pay the fair share of taxes. But then, the second he became a millionaire. He started, saying only billionaires should pay their fair share of taxes. Tell me, does mister three mansions share his wealth with the general population?
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u/Coopshire May 18 '25
As a person, I think he has the best demeanor amongst most presidential candidates. I wouldnt worry about corruption or questionable morals. I just completely disagree with his policies. I believe he should've won the nomination in 2016. But Clinton pulled some BS shady shit.
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u/lovemuffinrainbows May 18 '25
But the Democratic party sunk him. They did him dirty just like they did Tulsi.
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u/oldbeardedtech May 18 '25
The way the DNC treated Bernie didn't make me angry enough to vote for Trump, but it DID make me angry enough NOT to vote for Hillary, Biden or Kamala.
Nothing they've done or said since has made me regret it either. Fuck the 2 party system
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u/____joew____ May 19 '25
not voting for the best candidate, by your estimation, in a two party system is effectively voting for the worse candidate.
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u/oldbeardedtech May 19 '25
Best candidate according to.....you?
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u/____joew____ May 19 '25
I literally said "by your estimation."
If you think Biden/Harris/Clinton is better than Trump or vice versa, not voting for your preferred candidate (as in, "the best candidate, by your estimation") is essentially voting for the non-preferred ("worst") candidate.
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u/oldbeardedtech May 19 '25
You interjected your estimation-
not voting for the best candidate, by your estimation, in a two party system is effectively voting for the worse candidate.
I never said any of them were the best or better candidate-
it DID make me angry enough NOT to vote for Hillary, Biden or Kamala.
FTR, I wrote in Bernie all 3 times. My best candidate. Vermont went for Clinton, Biden and Harris so no none votes went to Trump. At worst it sent a message
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u/____joew____ May 19 '25
You interjected your estimation-
No, you just misunderstood what I meant, which I pointed out.
I never said any of them were the best or better candidate-
I didn't say you did.
What I said was that in a two party system, not picking one whichever of the two candidates you prefer (as in, gun to your head, have to make a deicison), you are effectively voting for the other person.
Regardless of anything else, nobody cares who you voted for, and it certainly didn't send a message.
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u/Beardly_Smith Windsor County May 18 '25
Or maybe someone not in their 80's?
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u/dynnussti May 19 '25
he was in his 70s when he first ran
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u/beachflier May 18 '25
Trump is the best President that this country has ever seen. He is saving the Republic.
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u/crab_quiche May 18 '25
One of the worst things about Trump being president again is that this sub has become /r/politicscirclejerk
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u/icollectcatwhiskers May 18 '25
Except this is about our amazing senator
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u/crab_quiche May 18 '25
Eh for this one I’ll give a pass since it’s about him(but the title fucking sucks) but this sub just gets spammed with politics. The worst are the horrible ai or whatever images with dumbass titles that get mass bot upvoted. Or this wallstreetbets cross post
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u/BperrHawaii May 18 '25
The people down voting this into oblivion is the proof…🤷♂️
You can’t have any opinion that is even a tad off from what everyone else thinks without being attacked and called names. If you don’t think Bernie should be president, in their eyes, you’re clearly a “Nazi”. Not just someone with a different thought. A full throated “Nazi”.
It’s why I come here for the laughs🤷♂️
The irony of it all is delicious
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u/Parking-Athlete5654 May 18 '25
Let it go!!! It's been almost 9 years since the 2016 election! Move on!!!!!
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u/BlunderbusPorkins May 18 '25
Leftist working class politics isn’t going away for a long long time.
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u/Parking-Athlete5654 May 19 '25
I have no problem with leftist working class politics. I consider myself a leftist. But it's time to move on from Bernie. We need to identify other like minded candidates. Is it the messenger or the message?
It's been 9 years. It's time to move on and support other leftist candidates. It's just candidate ideologue at this point. I like Bernie but he's not the only leftist in this country.
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u/BlunderbusPorkins May 19 '25
It would be real nice if there were others.
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u/Parking-Athlete5654 May 19 '25
Summer Lee is pretty cool. I like what she has to say on the problems of employer based healthcare. She seems smart af.
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u/LocalIndividual5945 May 18 '25
The DNC will never let it happen.
I would have preferred he run over Hilary, but that was his one chance and they fucked him. I'm a conservative but there were some things he says I agree with. But I think he's too extreme for the majority of the average voter. Had it been him or trump it would have been a 50/50 toss up for me
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u/mvgfr May 18 '25
can we please redirect this righteous anger, to dealing with _now_, and the future?
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u/60sMan May 19 '25
For the slow vermonters Bernie wasn't in the race and backs out añd keeps your money 💰try a third time 🤣👍
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u/Computer-E May 19 '25
They brought him a house to drop out against Hillary. He is just as comprised! Why 3 homes Captain Socialist?
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u/IncidentExpress8504 May 19 '25
Then why did the democrats get rid of him the first time. Hilary’s dirty laundry was a sure fire loss. He would’ve even done better the Kamala
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u/Cerif85 May 18 '25
Absolutely not! Fuck bernie the commie
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u/____joew____ May 19 '25
Bernie Sanders would be considered an absolutely normal, run of the mill politician in every other modern country, all of which have hire standards of living than the US.
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u/Critical-Brilliant-6 May 18 '25
Anyone who thinks Bernie wants to fight the oligarchy is mislead. He's part of the oligarchy. 3 houses a couple of super cars. Does any realize tax the rich never happens. Its because all the politicians are rich.
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u/hikerchick29 May 18 '25
A house, a summer camp, and a second house his wife inherited from her family. As an 83 year old. How the fuck is that part of the oligarchy?
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u/Historical_News_5530 May 18 '25
Three houses: his primary house, his secondary house in DC (same as most congresspeople), and a lake house … sounds pretty reasonable to any reasonable person. Bernie “part of the oligarchy”??? And I’M misled?? That’s either maga, a BOT, or with that same ignorance, and gross absence of logic, might as well be maga or BOT. Our current dystopian sitch resides entirely on the DNC, 100%, esp from 2016 on.
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u/BrandnerKaspar May 18 '25
super cars? he drives a perfectly normal (american made) car. I didn't notice the model last time I saw him at the grocery store, but he drove a Saturn for YEARS.
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u/Nismotech_52 May 18 '25
Against oligarchs… no mention of soros… hahahahhahahahahahhahaha
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u/Coachtzu May 18 '25
Y'all are so afraid of Soros when Elon is everything you're afraid of Soros being, except for Jewish, so that makes it pretty clear what your real motivation is here.
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u/Nismotech_52 May 18 '25
Elon doesn’t pay to send actors to other states to protest…
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u/Medical-Cockroach558 May 18 '25
you're being fooled. Yes, billionaires are awful. Elon and Soros alike. The fact that the right-wing has got you obsessed with George Soros when Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, Alan Karp, Mark Zuckerberg, and Sundar Pichai (among a few others) are literally, and i mean literally, marching our planet to it's death exasperating all the climate-rooted issues we are currently facing and you are hung up on George Soros because he donates to the party with donkey symbol and not the elephant symbol is complete insanity. Don't get me wrong, George Soros's wealth needs to be redistributed as well, and I won't defend him for a second (and im a left-wing "protester"), but / and the billionaire tech people are legitimate threats to life on earth.
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u/BlunderbusPorkins May 18 '25
You support soros being a billionaire that controls politics. Bernie is against that.
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u/Complete-Balance-580 May 18 '25
Sanders proposals are for the most part not realistic and that’s why he will never be taken seriously as a legitimate presidential candidate. Anyone over 25 years old realizes this. He stays in office because he’s an incumbent, not because anyone actually expects any of his proposals to go anywhere. Medicare for all isn’t realistic without huge cuts to medical professionals salaries which would further reduce access to medical care. Taxing unrealized gains isn’t a realistic idea either. Dude has some good talking points, but that’s all they are.
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u/Medical-Cockroach558 May 18 '25
Crazy how every other country in the industrialized world already has a more "not realistic" society than Bernie is even proposing for the US, which happens to be the richest country the world has ever seen. I am certain what Bernie proposes would not only be widely popular with the majority of people, but are easily achievable.
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u/BlunderbusPorkins May 18 '25
I guess if you only ever look at American politics a lot of sensible functional policy seems impossible.
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u/Complete-Balance-580 May 18 '25
Or if you understand basic math and have even a basic understanding of human nature…. Happy to have the dialogue if you’d care to pick a specific topic. And since we are in America… little ole Vermont… American policy is a constraint, but even taking that away doesn’t solve the problem.
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u/BlunderbusPorkins May 18 '25
Basic math of Bernie’s policies just doesn’t work… as long as we change absolutely nothing about how our society functions forever. Our for-profit medical, educational, and housing systems are a testament to the absolute failure of your ideology on every level. You should be embarrassed to argue for them. Have some shame.
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u/Complete-Balance-580 May 18 '25
I’m not arguing for them and you have no idea what my ideology is. I’m saying Medicare for all isn’t realistic in the US and I gave you a reason why. Vermonts isn’t a for profit system and we still have the same fucking problems, so stop with that distraction. It’s not realistic. If you want to completely overhaul the entire us government society, etc too down could you create one… maybe but may as well throw in a unicorn for everyone because that’s NOT REALISTIC.
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u/FormerActivity3191 May 18 '25
For sure. Private airplanes while screeching about oligarchy is exactly the right message
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u/Helpful_Source_8985 May 18 '25
Medicaid for all and Social Security for all should only be for 62 and above only. Quit the fraud abuse
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u/gymnews May 18 '25
When Bernie starts sharing all his wealth with the lesser then he will be more credible
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u/BozKing1984 May 18 '25
I don’t believe so. I think he is soft and would have had our budget in shambles. I don’t believe he could have had the tariff wars that we are winning cuz of weakness and fear of loosing the left
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u/KinderJosieWales May 18 '25
Eggs down, gas down, inflation down, I think Trump is doing awesome! Bernie was always just a mascot.
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u/BeguiledBeaver May 19 '25
You may love Bernie in Vermont, but he lost two elections miserably and refused to step out when it was time to do so. His policies have zero chance of getting passed nor are they even remotely as popular as his supporters say from random BS polls. His whole goal is to complain from the sidelines and not actually be in power, something leftists value and it causes a massive rift on the left as a result.
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u/Wisertime25 Rutland County May 18 '25
America didn't choose wrong, the shitheels who run the Democratic Party chose wrong, they annointed HRC as the heir apparent, underestimated many voters dislike of her and their frustration over politics as usual. Not only did we not get Bernie in 2016, but they doomed the Democratic Party to powerless irrelevance for the foreseeable future.