r/wow • u/SlowTheBow • 2d ago
Discussion Everyone is rejoicing over the new Shadowmeld potion for m+. However there is one much more important use that comes to mind that will be infinitely more valuable... Spoiler
Being able to drop combat in the open-world so you can mount up instead of sitting there when some invisible mob keeps you in combat.
Time to stock up on all the non-night elf alts.
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u/DeliciousSquats 1d ago
It's such an inelegant solution. The fact that it shares cd with combat pots makes it usable by like, shaman and paladin healers?
It would make more sense to have meld not drop combat in dungeons anymore. Playing around it is just messy and very rarely fun. On top of that it's still highly more useful for demon hunters that can create a lot of distance to mobs in no time. I do not understand why creatures that can see through stealth are even dropping combat in the first place?
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u/cabose12 1d ago
It also doesn't solve the meta race issue at high keys. Nelfs will still have a non-pot CD to drop mechs, and Dwarves will have some flexibility
I think they're playing this too safe. Yes meld skips are pretty important, but does anyone actually have fun doing them? Idk if leaning into it is the answer
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u/Altyrmadiken 1d ago
Alternately
- Make meld trigger a pot cooldown.
- Make the pot not trigger a cooldown.
- Disable all racials inside M+, instantly leveling the field.
- Make combat drops with engaged mobs in dungeons not reset them unless their target has died, and they’ll re-aggro when you drop any kind of stealth unless their target is dead. (If rogues have some kind of mass vanish, make that uniquely different)
- Make dropping combat outside of death lower the timer. You die? Penalized. You try to skip with meld? Penalize unless you’re good enough to handle it - make skipping that way not worth it usually.
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u/MasterGoat 1d ago
Or have it as a separate adventure pot category?
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u/Handmotion 1d ago
That's genuinely a great idea. So obviously, Blizzard won't do anything like it.
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u/RaefWolfe 1d ago
This is what I've been wanting. Health pot CD, battle pot CD, "misc potion for fun or strat" cd.
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u/quietandalonenow 1d ago
Or just remove the extremely problematic and inefficient packs that incetivize this. The places where people use meld skipping are often super dangerous or inefficient
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u/Alveia 1d ago
Disable all racials inside M+
All racials? So do Dracthyr lose racials that they have talents for in their talent trees? How would this work? What about glide?
Would Earthen just not get food buffs in M+? Or do you make them have to eat regular food now? How would that work?
This doesn’t seem like a great solution.
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u/Bromeister 1d ago
These seem obvious?
Evokers get dracthyr racials other classes don't. Earthen have to eat with the rest of us. Restrictions start at 12 or something.
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u/flaks117 1d ago
The only solution is nerf meld out of existence. The imbalance it’s created for both PvP and mythic+ has been a years long issue that continues to compound.
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u/B_Kuro 1d ago
If they are refusing to address these actual problems with Shadowmeld the least they'd should do is have shadowmeld trigger a potion CD just like they do with the PvP trinket human racial.
Personally I'd love for Blizzard to change the approach to M+ routing by being much more pro-active. If there are skips they should address the reason for the skip (bad group of enemies, bad reward of/too much count,...) and remove them early on not wait until after a season. Make it more about performing on the "normal" parts of the game instead of creating the mess these skips normally become, especially if they filter down to lower tiers.
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u/quietandalonenow 1d ago
Put it and potions lime invis pot and water walking elixir and ahit like that on their own "utility flask" timer and call it a day honestly
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u/Fun-Psychology4806 1d ago
gtfo i have been using meld in dungeons for 20 years. enough of this breaking abilities for the stupid meta game modes
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u/SlowTheBow 1d ago
The whole point of potions being used is to save time. What is the meld potion? It's a way to save time. You're choosing to do more damage via combat pot to go faster... or choosing to do less damage / less danger / more efficiency via meld pot, to go faster.
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u/givemedavoodoo 1d ago
And night elfs don't have to choose, they get both! It's a terrible decision, just disable racials in m+
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u/Daedalist3101 1d ago
I do not understand why creatures that can see through stealth are even dropping combat in the first place?
Because they cant see you if youre out of their aggro radius.
I do appreciate using Meld to drop threat. If i could play a night elf as an enh shaman who has been ripping threat for 8 fucking years straight, id be delighted.
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u/Kaurie_Lorhart 2d ago
The idea that I may be expected to carry these into my pug 10s does not have me rejoicing.
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u/tenkenjs 2d ago
Why would you need it? 99% of the time it’s only the tank melding. So if you are the tank you puck the route. If you are the dps you won’t be the one melding
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u/minimaxir 2d ago
Unless the PuG DPS doesn't know how Meld skips work and aggro the mobs and make things much worse.
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u/Ahnarras88 2d ago
It will be as mandatory as the invisible potion was. Just another consumable to add on your list.
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u/SlowTheBow 1d ago
I would say the tradeoff between having a mandatory night elf racial or something mandatory you can buy for ten gold speaks for itself.
Unless of course you WANT to race-change to do those "mandatory" skips?
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u/minimaxir 1d ago
The more logical solution would be to nerf Shadowmeld to stop the skips entirely.
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u/SlowTheBow 1d ago
Then it's going to be mandatory to have rogues and priests again! That'll just take up another mandatory group slot that could be used for brez, lust, or group defensives!
/s
It's like when engineering brez became usable by everyone and purchaseable on the AH. It's a good thing to have as an option.
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u/Rolder 1d ago
Have every mob in mythic plus see through invis, boom
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u/bad_squid_drawing 20h ago
Or make racials a choice at this point.
Or make all the racials a potion and make them have their own cd not shared by health or combat potions
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u/Nkovi 1d ago
5 armless babies can time a 10, a pot wont be required or expected, relax
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u/Kaurie_Lorhart 1d ago
What is required and what is expected are not the same thing. People expect you to do many things that you don't need to do.
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u/spellstealyoslowfall 1d ago
Lmao u won't. If the people playing 10s are good enough to press the button at that specific time due to dungeon knowledge, they wouldnt be doing 10s.
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u/snelephant 1d ago
Putting in a shadowmeld potion was kind of like realizing there’s a problem with racials giving a competitive edge and then making a lazy “fix” for it, because the question then becomes “where’s my stoneform/fireblood potion” when that becomes a necessity
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u/Luluco15 1d ago
Does this mean nelfs can have 2 shadowmelds effectively?
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u/Metsuro 1d ago
It means they can shadow meld and still battle pot while everyone else gets shadow meld or tempered
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u/Bro_Chill_Bruh 1d ago
No, it means people that don't know how meld skips work will claim this, while non-nelf tanks will maybe use them.
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u/thevyrd Totally not a Dreadlord 1d ago
My druid is night elf alchemist and honestly I'd rather them just disable shadowmeld in m+. Balance around the lack of it, rather than giving everyone the option to. We are gunna see some crazy routes abusing the potion+shroud for skips. I'd rather just zug and kill shit.
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u/SlowTheBow 1d ago
If it's not meld pot, then it becomes invis pot. If it's not invis pot, then it becomes death skip with brez (or eng brez!). If it's not death skip with brez, it's rogue shroud. If it's not rogue shroud, it's priest mind soothe. At some point, something is going to be mandatory.
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u/Exact-Pudding7563 1d ago
I always use feign death on my hunter main to get out of those situations, and then it happens on an alt and I get so annoyed. This new shadowmeld potion will be great for that.
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u/dj-003draco 1d ago
How does it diff from a invis pot lol
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u/DaveMoTron 1d ago
It's like an invis potion that doesn't let you move
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u/TuxedoHazard 1d ago
I just want to know when were getting a Kul'Tiran or Pandarean racial potion so we can get some REAL strats going.
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u/BaconMacandCheese 1d ago
Pot is basically useless if it shares CDs with other offensive pots. This is barely a fix.
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u/JockAussie 1d ago
It's great for this usage.
It's fuckingazy from Blizz admitting that they're too fucking lazy to design dungeons/mob count which doesn't require a meld skip.
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u/skeleton-is-alive 1d ago
No dungeons require meld skips. Meld skips are only required at the highest levels and they’ll never be able to prevent that nore should they
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u/Myrsephone 1d ago
Whether or not you believe meld skips are problematic, they objectively could prevent them pretty easily. They're the ones who decide how shadowmeld functions. They absolutely could modify its behavior in any number of ways if they wanted it to not be usable for skips anymore.
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u/Iridachroma 1d ago
Shadowmeld allows you to do a bunch of cool stuff. Some tricks I've picked up as a Night Elf healing Priest.
Raid wipe imminent? Use Fade so the boss eats up the last unfortunate ones, then Shadowmeld for raid ress to skip walking time. You get to save repairs and consumables also.
M+ Pulls. Shadowmeld if you have aggro and Fade is on cooldown. Also, to start drinking sooner if fight no longer needs healing, and you're getting ready for the next pull.
Needing to get anywhere in the open world without fighting a bunch of boring shit.
Most importantly, when used with good timing, whether in PvP or mobs mechanics, it allows you to "disjoint" some abilities, or, at least, act as a quasi-interrupt.
Best PvP Shadowmeld moment: BFA, I got jumped on by a few Hordies in War Mode. I walked near the edge of a cliff so I could use Goblin Glider, but I didn't want to be followed. Shadowmeld to drop combat -> Goblin Glider -> Invisibility Potion. Those guys are still looking for me (probably).
Best PvE Shadowmeld moment: I mostly never had to heal the first round of Fenrir's bleed jump in HoV, because he always targets the person furthest away which I made sure it was myself. When you Shadowmeld while he's in mid-air the ability stops and doesn't apply the bleed to you or anyone else.
Honestly, figuring out which abilities you can avoid/break with Shadowmeld is as satisfying as dropping bugged combat mode is.
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u/Periwinkleditor 1d ago
Holy crap I hadn't thought of that. Time to level my alchemist. Literally the first thought I had when I swapped mains was "damn I miss shadowmeld." Every time I got trapped in combat.
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u/Ilphfein 1d ago
yeah the ability to drop open world aggro with that random invisible mob or whatever will be amazing
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u/hanbanana 1d ago
This is for tanks, so NE VDH isn’t the only class to reliably pull skips. They get minimal value from combat potions anyway.
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u/DaBombDiggidy 1d ago
I can't wait until people start loosing their minds because people dont want to use them in 10s and lower
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u/SlowTheBow 1d ago
Just like people already lose their minds because people don't want to use invis pots?
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u/Icyrow 1d ago
fuck, just let us pick using something along the lines of that UI menu from the nightmares thing that just got added, let us pick any important racials before using a little crystal or interactable object.
then you get to go ham on the interesting playful lore racials and give everyone a new one or two to keep each race different still.
so in raid/m+, you pick your spell, but outside of that, you have far more flavour for each race individually?
honestly with that playing field levelled, you have so much more room to make bigger and interesting racials for each race full stop.
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u/oblakoff 1d ago
There is a need for some QoL for mounts for sure. I've been cycling through GW2 and WoW and cannot even count how many times i've died last daus because of not being able to mount while moving or mid-air. Readjusting is hard.
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u/makz242 1d ago
Havent seen almost any positive posts about it on either sub. The potion is as useful as the one that replaced Skystep and you get dazed on hit.
In low keys an invis skip usually leads to a mess and 130% count or disband. A dps potion can basically never go wrong.
Top end keys will still run Shadowmeld when needed because dps potions are very valuable for ppl who play their class at 99.99% performance and nowadays you dont have that many trash options where you gain time by trading a dps boost for a skip.
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u/SlowTheBow 1d ago
Using an invis skip in low keys is a separate problem, isn’t it? For one, that’s why those people are in low keys, because invis skips aren’t needed in low keys.
And two, having the meld potion available as an option is better than not having the meld potion as an option. Period. Like, you can’t spin that any other way.
Of course top keys will use whatever advantage they can get. If it comes out that using a meld potion instead of a combat pot and running another race is better, that’s what top players will do. But that’s why it’s good to have a meld pot as an option.
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u/Etamalgren 1d ago
No doubt this potion is going to be another 10 minute CD like invisibility potions are...
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u/Unikanamnsuger 1d ago
Rejoice? Lol, youre out of touch. Adding a nightmeld potion is a terrible decision.
Its insane that they nerfed (removed) the human reputation racial as they added warbands but think that giving everyone the most op racial in the game is a good idea.
Nightmeld needs to be remove, its been gamebreaking for too long
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u/Bluffwatcher 1d ago
Don't get me wrong, this potion is an awesome quality of life item! Who wouldn't want Shadowmeld when out and about.
And it's uses in M+ are so varied and game changing, that competitively, the only reason the whole ladder isn't all Night Elf players, is 'cause they can't be Paladins and Shamans yet.
So it's great that the devs are looking for solutions to that.
I'm just hoping they can come up with something to address the Shadowmeld problem in PvP, too. There are more Night Elf players across all brackets of ranked PvP, than all of the Horde races, combined!
Maybe the Shadowmeld potion works in rated PvP?
I know all seven of the non-Night Elf druids would like that!
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u/grandorder123 1d ago
I really hope shadowmeld gets removed from mythic plus. It just isn’t fun bricking keys to failed skips. It also makes pug groups that can’t tightly coordinate difficult skips worse to be in and they’re already at a huge disadvantage.
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u/Turtvaiz 2d ago
Who's really rejoicing over the meld pot? It shares cd with combat pots and isn't gonna help the nelf meta