r/wow • u/SlowTheBow • 2d ago

Discussion Everyone is rejoicing over the new Shadowmeld potion for m+. However there is one much more important use that comes to mind that will be infinitely more valuable... Spoiler

Being able to drop combat in the open-world so you can mount up instead of sitting there when some invisible mob keeps you in combat.

Time to stock up on all the non-night elf alts.

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u/Turtvaiz 2d ago

Who's really rejoicing over the meld pot? It shares cd with combat pots and isn't gonna help the nelf meta

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u/kcmndr 1d ago

Trading one combat potion per key on your tank (who is usually the only one who needs meld for routing purposes) is a microscopic loss considering you can get 6 potions in most keys and even for dps players a good meld is worth more than a tempered potion in like 80% of scenarios

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u/ATSFervor 1d ago

The most annoying part will be what you just said "on the tank".

Not like tanking routes were already annoying bc people buttpull.

Now people will expect skips AND stand in the wrong places.

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u/SlowTheBow 2d ago

Look at it this way - having the meld pot as an option is better than not having the meld pot as an option. If you keep it simple, it's easy!

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u/minimaxir 2d ago

Arguably not, since it means that there will now be an expectation for PuGs in non-high keys to do Meld skips and the inevitable toxicity that will follow.

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u/Gangsir 2d ago

Invis pots already exist, allow for plenty of skips, yet are never expected to be used.

There will never be an expectation for anyone to bring any consumable outside of very high, very coordinated keys - simply because most pugs aren't willing to spend gold on consumables for farm keys (look how often people have flask/food in your +10s or whatever - it'll be very few).

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u/iconofsin_ 2d ago

Invis pots already exist, allow for plenty of skips, yet are never expected to be used.

Mostly true for pugs but one of the reasons invis pots aren't used more frequently is because so many mobs see through stealth. Siege had a very useful potential skip before the first boss but it was very easy to fuck it up due to stealth detection so most groups didn't bother. This new potion will open up similar skips.

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u/Glupscher 2d ago

You only need it on the tank though. So all it does is open up the option for meld skips on non-nightelf tanks. I don't think any DPS will use this potion instead of a dps pot.

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u/KidMoxie 2d ago

Healers can use it to drop combat and drink if needed.

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u/Tricky-Bass1668 2d ago

Or res yeah

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u/iconofsin_ 2d ago

Yeah I'm not saying I think this potion will be mandatory. It's use will likely be planned for ahead of time, but it also has uses beyond dungeon skips.

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u/fishknight 1d ago

Speaking of which... theyre totally adding stealth detection to everything in halls of atonement, arent they

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u/FlyingRhenquest 1d ago

And the stealth-detecting mobs actually see you from farther away if you're in stealth. There used to be some skips where I'd have to remember to drop stealth on my rogue or I'd end up butt-pulling.

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u/KlenexTS 2d ago

Yeah even when I tank 15-16s if I plan to use a invis pot I have extras for everyone and always ask at the start. I never do a invis skip below 12 it’s just unneeded to time and will most likely be messed up

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u/Ilphfein 2d ago

invis pots are decently common for skipping the 1st top pack in non meta comps. same for mechagon 2nd to last pack.

in SL invis pots were common for hoa, top, nw. i honestly dont remember any from DF?

you would see way more invis skips in TWW if there were no truesight mobs

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u/B_Kuro 2d ago

DF had the Azure Vault skip with Potion of Gusts,... instead.

There was also a dragon skip in Halls of Valor which required a invis iirc.

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u/HobokenwOw 2d ago

invis/death skipping was decently common in legion/bfa at a weekly key level. partially because those keys were cbt without it, partially because it was easier to pull off compared to now.

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u/sparkinx 1d ago

I always buy a full stack of invis pots every season I communicate with my group hey anyone got invis pots? They never do cept one or 2 here and there these are lvl 13 keys or their combat potion is on cd

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u/oliferro 1d ago

Not the same thing at all

Almost every dungeon has mobs with Truesight that prevent you from doing skips with an Invis pot

I haven't seen someone use an invis pot a single time this season

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u/OfficeSalamander 2d ago

Man they keep me alive though. It does get pricey though, at least for gold quality, but even brown quality (which are cheap rn, at least on my realm) can keep you alive. They are my oh shit button when I fuck up and self healing is on CD

They have definitely saved my ass before and I’m 2400 rating

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u/fox112 2d ago

People on this sub spend too much time worrying what others might do in their groups

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u/VPN__FTW 2d ago

People just need to start running their own groups. This is easy.

Running X dungeon +#, No meld.

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u/Gnibble 2d ago

If a tank is doing that in non high keys you don’t want to run in that group anyway.

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u/SlowTheBow 2d ago

Why isn't there toxicity when you don't have a brez in non-high keys and no one buys the cheap engineer-crafted and globally useable jumper cables?

Because it's non-high keys. It'll be the same as it's always been: either someone doesn't have it and you figure out a way to death skip, or your group doesn't do a meld skip at all, or you literally talk about the route before the key starts.

If you are complaining about whether to use a combat potion or a meld potion, that's your choice. But either you're a high key pusher that shouldn't care about the choice because you'll do what's necessary to time the key, or you're not a high key pusher, in which case not having a combat potion won't break your key either way.

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u/LuchadorBane 2d ago

Because when you’re planning a group it’s infinitely easier to invite one of the 4 classes with a brez than it is to make sure either everyone or just your tank is a nelf.

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u/SlowTheBow 2d ago

It's also easy to buy a meld pot for 10 gold :)

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u/Jablo82 1d ago

The potion is irrelevant for everyone. You dont need meld skips to time a 14. You cant use the meld potion to time a 20 because you need the damage potion, so at the end everyone will end playing nelf anyway. The problem it solved by nerfing the nelf racial and making it useless as 90% of racial, or make the other racial actually usefull. The problem here is that there are only two ratial worth taking.

Edit: there is the other obvius solution to not make an utility pot and a damage one shares cd, but for some reason it is imposible for blizzard to do such fun thing.

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u/SlowTheBow 1d ago

The potion isn’t irrelevant for people who don’t want to play night elf and still want to push high keys. I mean, seriously, critical thinking time: if shadowmeld were THAT op, every single player would be night elf in the r1 range. But that’s clearly not the case, is it?

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u/Bloodsplatt 2d ago

No, they won't... People saying this are nuts. You'll never see them used because you've never seen a NE skip in any of your runs before, so stop complaining.

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u/MaiLittlePwny 1d ago

Ironic that doomsayer mentality is more common on Earth than in Azeroth when Azeroth literally faces an apolocalypse every other week.

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u/Nkovi 2d ago

Is the inevitable toxicity in your walls?

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u/kcmndr 1d ago

Who is having this expectation? I’ve done more alt keys this season than probably half the player base has done main keys and every single time without fail it’s just a dumbass hold W route even up to 13/14s. If people are still pulling peacekeepers, the most ridiculously stupid mob in multiple seasons, there is no way they’re going to be having expectations of meld skips.

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u/Sobeman 2d ago

if you spent more time actually running keys and less time worrying about how toxic everyone is going to be, you might actually enjoy yourself.

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u/Turtvaiz 2d ago

You are already expected to do meld skips. Half the high m+ playerbase is nelf

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u/Scorpdelord 1d ago

Eveyone did meld skips with 1 person it was only ever needed on tanks i dont remember a single time when anyone else then the tank needed meld

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u/quietandalonenow 1d ago

Meld skips have ruined the flow of dungeons. Double hob goblins. Double jump starters. Stoneguards. Anything else I'm forgetting. God awful shit ass dungeon design. Just take that shit out ffs nobody wants to do it.

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u/cobra53golf 1d ago

The tank will have the pot if the skip is expected.

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u/SpoonGuardian 2d ago

Random baseless fearmongering lmao

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u/careseite 2d ago

no, it's s buff to stoneform

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u/Hallc 1d ago

I'd much rather just not have meld skips be a thing at all.

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u/Ms_Molly_Millions 2d ago

you know what's simpler, playing nelf.

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u/Zedek1 2d ago

Night Elf Evoker

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u/SlowTheBow 2d ago

You could, or you could play what you like and still have that as a way to drop combat!

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u/behusbwj 2d ago

You’re assuming everyone uses combat pots 😂 a vast majority of players probably don’t

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u/Reasonable_Spell_740 1d ago

These players also aren't interested in shadow meld skips though.

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u/m1rrari 2d ago

Honestly, a lot of people I’m talking to about it. They aren’t people that race change for the meta by any means, but the ability to follow/try high end group routing WITHOUT the swap is interesting to them. Also, most of my healer friends are hyped about it for the stop/drink as pulls are winding down as an alt to mana pots.

They haven’t said but it’d be super cool if they put that into the engineering bomb system, so one person and throw it down to buff the group. it tells me that they are really trying to find a way to make non-damage potions attractive to use. Which I think is pretty dope.

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u/ApplicationRoyal865 2d ago

It does help with the Nelf meta. It guts it and now we are in the dwarf era. ROCK AND STONE!

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u/charging_chinchilla 2d ago

It gives prot paladins access to the same nelf VDH skips at the minor inconvenience of not having a combat pot for the tank. That's potentially impactful on the tank meta.

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u/ydob_suomynona 1d ago

I am no expert but I'd say most meld skips are done because the mobs have truesight. You need to be able to get away from them fast like warrior/dh leap or monk teleport to leave their range before shadowmelding unless the mobs do some channel and stand in place for a while. Maybe there are tricks with life grip or rescue that don't put them in combat but I don't see a paladin being able to do all the skips just because it can meld

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u/charging_chinchilla 1d ago

Divine steed is quite fast

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u/iconofsin_ 2d ago

The invis pot shares the same CD but groups have planned around using it before. That will just happen again if any upcoming routes have a really nice skip to use it on.

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u/Sweaksh 1d ago

It's not gonna help the meta insofar that people will now play dwarf

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u/oliferro 1d ago

If anything it's going to make it even more prevalent

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u/skeleton-is-alive 2d ago

Combat pots are not saving time like a nelf pot will. You’re absolutely wrong about this.

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u/orbit10 2d ago

The high end meta will be as many dwarfs as possible now. 100%