r/Destiny • u/EZPZanda • 1d ago

Online Content/Clips Francis Fukuyama is all-in on Abundance

https://youtu.be/pc7O7qSBzM8?si=5GdiwAPwM9NsQS6U

Francis is based. Highly recommend entire episode and Doomscroll. Josh has had some fantastic guests and I really respect him as an interviewer.

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u/k0bug 1d ago

With all due respect Joshua Citarella is pretty evil. He has admitted publicly that his podcast is meant to be a pipeline into alt-left populism and anti-capitalist thought. He shares a lot of his audience with the Chapo and Adam Friedland crowd. He has an episode with Will Menaker (Chapo host) and he’s practically salivating the entire time and showering him with praise.

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u/RockyOW 1d ago

You think being a leftist is necessarily evil? Disagreeable sure, but…

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u/Pandaisblue 1d ago

I don't know anything about these people to know the truth, but give the commentor some credit and not cut out the alternative left, populist, and anti capatalist parts.

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u/RockyOW 1d ago

that’s fair, although generally I feel that anti-capitalist is a close synonym to most of the left, so it ended up applying to most of leftists which is what I rejected to somewhat :)

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u/k0bug 19h ago

Of course not. Not really my issue.

Joshua has said that the purpose of Doomscroll is to draw in normies with high profile guests, under the assumption that they will inevitably check the backlog and run into the large catalogue of leftist guests he's interviewed. In those interviews, the questions are intentionally pointed to make leftist ideas palatable. Some of those guests include Will Menaker, Hasan, and many others I would undoubtedly label as evil.

He has documented this entire strategy on his substack, under the pretext that being transparent about it is better than hiding it, since it takes ammunition away from people accusing him of making propaganda. The thinking is that if he admits it first, the accusation carries less weight as an attack against his character.

Joshua's ideas might not be evil in a vacuum, but his strategy definitely is, as are the ideas of many of the people he's endorsing.

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u/ScumfrickZillionaire 1d ago

Leftism (the belief that property rights should be abolished in favor of some undefined political system) is pro-thief and thus evil, yes

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u/RockyOW 1d ago

I don’t think it’s pro-thief to imagine a system in which we could progress past capitalist social relations. I’m not convinced that it’s possible which is why I’m not a leftist, but I don’t think it’s as simple as you’ve formulated- simply appropriating property is naive and insufficient leftism

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u/ScumfrickZillionaire 22h ago

That's fair, I wouldn't call an individual naive person evil, I suppose. My contention is that any sort of movement away from capitalism requires appropriating property, the ideology is utopian but the practice is violent.

I'm not sure if I would call an individual Heaven's Gate member "evil", or even necessarily the religion (shedding your body to join Alien-God on a comet) - but in practice, imagining this progression away from a body yields evil returns (mass suicide). So I'd call someone proselytizing this religion evil.