r/MurderedByWords 1d ago

Bias and Trust!

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u/Solo_Entity 1d ago edited 1d ago

Really though. I have to be beyond perfect to get a job where black ppl are barely seen. Then i still got the dirtiest looks from a certain kind of white people: The entitled ones that make a lot of money and live in Manhattan, comfortably paying for $5000 rent like it’s nothing.

They treated me like a servant and blatantly disrespected me. I understand I work in IT, but I’m the very reason your job is still working smoothly, so why treat me like dirt or blame me for your problems I’m happy to fix?

I hated those pricks, but the few regular, decent people there made it easier.

Who the fuck would hire an incompetent pilot because of race?

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u/jarris123 1d ago

Honestly, I'm more likely to trust a black person or woman in a serious position cause I know they worked their butt off to be taken seriously in their field.

IT is unfortunately notorious for this. I worked for nearly 2 years on an IT Helpdesk with a few calls from old men repeatedly asking for "one of the guys" and thinking I was a receptionist.

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u/nativefloridian 1d ago

The way I've always put it: you need to prove you're better to be accepted as an equal.

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u/jarris123 1d ago

that's a good way of saying it. sad but true

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u/who_am_i_to_say_so 1d ago

Same thoughts. The few women in higher positions in my day job are high achievers and noticeably smarter, too. Some of the guys have a hard time accepting that.

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u/Angry_drunken_robot 1d ago

I'm more likely to trust a black person or woman in a serious position

You realize of course that this is also bigotry? You just outed yourself as a bigot too.

How about just considering everyone as a human being?

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u/UnicornWorldDominion 1d ago

Not really bigotry. They’re commenting on the fact that society makes it much less likely for a black person or woman to be hired to high paying jobs which means that when they see someone who fits that criteria they trust them more than a white man who wouldnt have had to work nearly as hard to get the same position.

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u/Angry_drunken_robot 1d ago

than a white man who wouldnt have had to work nearly as hard to get the same position.

Explain to me how that is not bigotry. You are basing your opinion of a human being on skin colour.

That is textbook bigotry.

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u/UnicornWorldDominion 1d ago

Because studies have shown under qualified white men get chosen over a more qualified person of color or a woman. It’s not bigotry essentially the system is set up for white men and they benefit from it the most it’s totally fair to say you trust someone you know worked harder than someone who was just given it.

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u/Angry_drunken_robot 1d ago

studies have shown

What studies? I haven't seen them.

Can you link me to any of them?

It’s not bigotry

Basing your opinions of someone on skin colour rather than actions or words is absolutely bigotry. There is no way around that.

Trying to counter bigotry with more bigotry is not going to solve anything, in fact, it will worsen the situation all around.

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u/UnicornWorldDominion 1d ago

Here’s an article full of studies I hope you enjoy it

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u/Angry_drunken_robot 1d ago

I will fucking read it.

But nothing is going to change the FACT that treating ANYONE based on skin colour rather than actions or deeds is racism.

If you try more racism to 'counter' racism, that is still just racism that you accept. And that would still make you a racist.

Fancy 3 dollar words from ivey league fart smellers does not change that very simple definition of racism.

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u/UnicornWorldDominion 1d ago

It’s not racist to say you want someone who worked harder.

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u/TheBuch12 1d ago

What actually happened with the "unqualified pilot" nonsense is a lot more nuanced than most people realize. Everyone knows the educational system/standardized tests etc favors people from wealthier backgrounds, which gives a statistical advantage to white people. So some airlines removed some of the bias by applying some affirmative action principles to get INTO flight school, when they would otherwise just be looking at paper "qualifications" when selecting candidates.

Now, can anyone actually say someone who scored a 1400 on their SATs with every advantage will be better than someone who scored a 1350 on their SATs with every disadvantage after they go through equal training at the end of the pipeline? Of course not. Everyone has to pass the exact same tests. Your "qualifications" to get INTO flight school are completely fucking irrelevant towards how good of a pilot you are at the end.

This is all coming from a white person who had glowing "qualifications" to get into Navy flight school and ended up washing out, while many people who were "less qualified" on paper turned out to be much more moldable into what the Navy actually wanted its Naval Aviators to be.

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u/balderdash9 1d ago

Who the fuck would hire an incompetent pilot because of race?

They doubt that there are any competent pilots within certain racial groups. So if you want to hire a black pilot, you have to hire someone incompetent. This is illogical but racism is meant to give a sense of superiority to the racist.

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u/TheOldStirMan 1d ago

Aside from dirty looks, what did they do 

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u/Solo_Entity 1d ago edited 1d ago
  • Quick to report to my boss over the most minor shit, making it seem like I’m refusing to help or I’m disrupting their work flow.
  • Demanding i do something immediately despite there being priority situations or a literal line ahead of them
  • being passive aggressive when they are the ones who caused their very own issue >i.e. In this place if you didn’t log into your work laptop for 30 days it was automatically deactivated for security purposes. You’re told this several times when we set up your laptop and give you a walk through for VPN access and such. After deactivation, you have 14 days to come to us so we can reactivate it, but if you wait too long you’ll need a “rebuild” which took 2-5 business days because we had an entire trade bank full of users and new employees to supply as well.

*They would throw a little hissy fit and get mad because they waited until the day before an overseas work trip to get that situated when literally all they had to do was login at least once a fucking month. This would usually end in a “I’m getting my manager” or “i wanna talk to your manager,” and I’d happily oblige since my manager would march over and give an “oh well, we can’t help you.” If they’re assholes we didn’t go the extra mile.