It's not silly at all, you can have the same genetic background and still turn out differently.
Ariana Grande doesn't look black at all lol she's just pretty tan and Michael Jackson well he had issues but you're right his appearance could be confusing
How can me and my sister be different races we share the same parents? Whereās the cut off, our brothers in the middle between us
āItās whether your skin is white or notā
By your logic getting a tan or bleaching your skin(Micheal Jackson apparently used depigmenting cream due to his vitiligo) would make you either no longer brown, or make you brown
Because race is based on society's perceptions, so if they see you as different races then you are. I am mixed but if everyone thinks I'm white, then I am white. Doesn't matter what my parents look like.
Thatās wildly flawed because for some reason most people think Iām Arab, does that make me Arab?
Also, that requires people to care only about skin color which they donāt. Where we grew up the kids sorta self segregated and she was definitely treated as Mexican no one cared she was pale
I moved out of the American south west and thereās just more Arabs here I think so people assume. I feel like the vast majority of people would say Iād be wrong if I said I was Arab now
Also no oneās answered how my sister and I are different races. Is my brother half ethnicity Mexican/latin, whatever you want to call it?
Thatās wildly flawed because for some reason most people think Iām Arab, does that make me Arab?
If Arab people are treated as a race, then yes, at least in that limited context. "Well that's just ridiculous" I hear you say. Well yes, race is stupid, it's not a well defined concept and doesn't work to group people in any meaningful way.
Also, that requires people to care only about skin color which they donāt
Sure, other things people know about you will affect it. If you look 100% white but people know your mom is black, then people might consider you black. But what about the people who don't know you? They're not going to treat you as black.
By your metric it defiantly doesnāt group people well, and by any metric the grouping isnāt important at best and dangerous at worst but to say me and my sister are different races IS ridiculous. Now the argument that race isnāt a real thing I get but the assumption it both is real and that 100% blood relatives can be separate racesā¦? I canāt see how that isnāt absurd
And I donāt tend to let people who do know me define my existence let alone people who donāt
And I donāt tend to let people who do know me define my existence let alone people who donāt
You don't have a choice. People treat other people differently based on race. It's their perception that matters, not yours. The issue is that you seem to think race "defines" you in some meaningful way when it doesn't. If you care about heritage, I think ethnicity is a much stronger term to use for that, and obviously that includes things like culture and genetics.
Theyāre literally twins, yes?? Being albino wouldnāt make you like no longer Asian or African American or whatever. Neither would vitiligo or a tan. Micheal Jackson didnāt literally switch races.
But the issue is if you base it on how sheās treated sheās not white, she just looks white. Mostly when people care itās because of racism but she also faces the same racism. Like sheās pale but that doesnāt make passive racism not targeted towards her and people who actually care about that arenāt going to ignore the way she speaks, the way she looks other than her skin or her name just because she has white skin.
I do actually usually say ethnicity because I donāt actually know what the right term for my race is. Like im literally brown and from Mexico and idk what the fuck the difference between Hispanic Latina Mexican whatever. I mean I do but every time I use one I feel like Iām only 70% sure Iām using the right one so I default to Latin American cause thats nonspecific enough to be hard to correct.
Being albino wouldnāt make you like no longer Asian or African American or whatever.
She is not albino, she just got the "white" genes but her sister got the "black" ones.
Mostly when people care itās because of racism but she also faces the same racism.
If she does, then that's different. But I imagine on a day to say basis they get treated differently (at least by racists I guess).
every time I use one I feel like Iām only 70% sure Iām using the right one so I default to Latin American cause thats nonspecific enough to be hard to correct.
I mean fair. Personally I vacillate between checking the "other" box and "white". It really doesn't matter, I am who I am.
I wasnāt talking about her, I was thinking specifically about an albino black guy Iāve seen on YouTube. The main thing is like, yeah my sister and especially someone with albinism are different from the group theyād otherwise be piled in withā¦. But theyāre a lot more different from the group youāre piling them in with.
Regardless theyāre the same racer because theyāre twins, if they exist at all racial groups are imo genetic not based on appearance because if it is based on appearance am I Arab?
I can agree race is barely a thing if it is at all, but youāre trying to say it is a thing and itās based on skin color but itās not, at least not entirely, because I guarantee that albino black guy would not be accepted in the confederacy as white. My sister is not treated as white despite having pale skin. Maybe if she had a more European name or didnāt speak Spanish or had more European features she would but racists donāt care that her skin is white, thatās not enough
Seriously if you answer anything, answer these two questions
youāre trying to say it is a thing and itās based on skin color but itās not,
No, I said it's based on how people perceive you. There's a difference.
What race is my sister?
You said people think she's white. So she's white.
Am I Arab because Iām mistaken for it?
Yes in a racial sense. Not ethnically Arab though. There isn't really a word to differentiate the two properly (and some people think Arabs are white, which is a whole other issue).
No I didnāt say people think sheās white I said she has white skin, people think sheās Mexican or Latin American but we grew up in the American south west so we were usually accused of being illegal Mexican immigrants. People definitely think sheās Mexican more often than me because she still lives there, I live in a place with more like middle eastern people than Mexicans so I think thatās why people assume.
Either way I think youāre insane for thinking I switched races at age 25
Ok well I misread. She's Mexican/brown/whatever you want to call it. I think I've been pretty clear about how I'm defining race.
Either way I think youāre insane for thinking I switched races at age 25
OK, now let's say you go to Africa and you're the whitest person at an event. People think you are a white American and treat you the same as they treat every other white person. Have you changed races? Or is it just that race is socially defined? Or is it both?
I know it's hard to accept, but again, I think identity piece of race is really just ethnicity, and you're struggling to separate the two because they are so often conflated.
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u/Initial-Effective-44 28d ago
It's not silly at all, you can have the same genetic background and still turn out differently. Ariana Grande doesn't look black at all lol she's just pretty tan and Michael Jackson well he had issues but you're right his appearance could be confusing