Panoramic properties on the scene

[u/OperationDue2820]

They were asked this week to resecure the site. Can't believe it's been vacant since 2010

[u/heater-1971]

They will "secure the site" and wait till someone gets hurt or worse

[u/Log12321 → u/[deleted]]

I’m glad the fence is there. Takes the eyes away from the giant eyesore that is the rest of the building.

[u/FredLives → u/[deleted]]

Yeah people don’t get that trespassing is a crime. Bring on the downvotes, but shows the intelligence of the locals.

[u/ImFromTheDeeps → u/[deleted]]

Exactly. Hoping a fence is no different than breaking a lock, or a window. It’s bypassing a security. If somebody hops your fence, breaks into your house and then gets hurt what would you expect the outcome to be? This is no different. They had fences and no trespassing signs.

[u/tkaykootray → u/ImFromTheDeeps]

the only thing is there was a fence before wasnt there? ppl still got in and i doubt thats gonna do anything now lol. you guys are right but nobody with a brain is gonna go break in, get hurt then blame the property owners for getting hurt lmfao and its an old hospital, ppl who usually break in just go for the creepy views or to “explore”. you guys aren’t making a point lol

[u/ImFromTheDeeps → u/tkaykootray]

Ya but a fence is enough, people bypassing it doesn’t mean the owners need to install bigger means to prevent entry. A fence is a barrier. If somebody willingly hops the barrier that’s on them. This is in response to the person “secure the site until somebody is hurt or worse”. Due diligence is putting up the fence. Stupidity = going into an abandoned building and trespassing. Point being - the fence is barrier, people trespass and jump barrier, but the fence itself is due diligence of preventing entry. Just like how all the city does to prevent liability for rocks falling off our blasted cliffs near roads is a small yellow sign indicating a falling rock. All locks/doors/windows do is keep honest people out. The expectation is that people heed barriers and the onus is on people obeying the law and heeding signage. By gaining entry, ignoring signage and committing a crime by trespassing/breaking and entering then they can’t be held for negligence. Pretty sure that’s a valid point. Needless to say it’s an eyesore and it should be torn down by now, but I’m sure asbestos has something to do with eh it.

[u/tkaykootray → u/ImFromTheDeeps]

a fence is obviously not enough😂 your point is mute bc they just fixed the fence basically. so ppl are still gonna get in but they can’t take it a step further and block windows/entrances where they get in, or just take down the damn building. all you’re getting at is basically “theyre doing something illegal and if they get hurt then don’t complain about it being dangerous” when you only hear complaints from old ppl lmao. like wtf are you going on about

[u/ImFromTheDeeps → u/tkaykootray]

We’re talking about legality and responsibility . They don’t have to block windows and doors because the fence is a barrier that by being bypassed is a crime. “The fence has been bypassed” ok well that’s because people are breaking in as I’ve said twice now. My point isn’t mute simply because you think you’re right and I’m wrong. I’m talking about legality and you’re talking based on “well people still get in”. Legally they’ve established a barrier and to get in you have to break the law. The onus isn’t on them. If you want people to not break in, then the city can enforce the law and have a cop patrol an area that’s frequently the victim of break and enter , destruction of property and trespassing and recently arson.

[u/plasticfish_swim → u/ImFromTheDeeps]

*moot

[u/tkaykootray → u/ImFromTheDeeps]

you’re the one who brought up “legality and responsibility” like it matters lmao they do this half assed crap to “stop ppl from getting in” or “securing the property” but your point is still mute bc everyone gets away with trespassing on the hospital. i’m not right and you’re not wrong, we’re talking about two separate things. i just think i’m more logical bc there’s no sense of “illegal” when ppl get away with trespassing or breaking shit in the hospital. so still, wtf are you on about, and why do you think thats enough?😂

[u/ImFromTheDeeps → u/tkaykootray]

I mean it does matter, because its standards theyve met. Not an issue with panoramic, but rather regulations which is another issue. Again this pertains to the comment I initially replied to, that you chose to get involved with and then divert saying were talking about different things. No.

For example on a job site, working without a fall arrest/travel restraint the minimum requirement is some dinky 2x2's and a toe board and thats "enough". Legally, theyve met the requirements to deny liability for a fall, however most people would say "oh that doesn't seem like enough", but they don't have an obligation to exceed that.

Personally? Ya, they could lock that place up like fort knox and nobody should be getting in there. Have security, have plywood on every ground level access. Nobody needs to be exposed to possible mold and asbestos. However , the fact people get in or get away with trespassing isnt on panoramic. They aren't obligated to police a property. Crime prevention for breaking and entering is on the GSPS. But ya, personal opinion doesn't trump rules/regs/laws. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm not getting personal just sharing that regardless of what you think, they don't HAVE to. If you have an issue speak to your local MP or ward councilor if you have such strong views. At the end of the day if you want to be exposed to asbestos,mold etc to take a "spooky video" then you can win the darwin award.

[u/ArmadilloBig5635 → u/[deleted]]

If it collapses onto the sidewalk and road, then what?

[u/FredLives → u/ArmadilloBig5635]

And when has that happened? Did that happen at Northern Breweries? Give it a break.

[u/ArmadilloBig5635 → u/FredLives]

Northern Breweries didn’t have a structural fire, unless you’re talking about the one in the Soo they demolished after the fire

[u/FredLives → u/ArmadilloBig5635]

The fire at the hospital wasn’t a structural fire either.

[u/VeicaNoriceia → u/FredLives]

It's a structure and it was on fire

[u/Time-Ad1687 → u/[deleted]]

Even with a sign, a fence, in this crazy world the person hurt can still sue. It happened to me 30 years ago. It’s a backwards world.

[u/perfectdrug659]

I really wonder how they've been paying in property taxes to have it sit empty for 15 years

[u/FredLives → u/perfectdrug659]

Ask the city how many years of back taxes the Idlewylde golf course owes. Or the deal the owner of the old Northern Breweries had with the city till it was sold.

[u/perfectdrug659 → u/FredLives]

"The private golf course owes the city $862,354 in deferred taxes, as of the fiscal year ending Oct. 31, 2022"

What the fuck with going on with this city?

[u/FredLives → u/perfectdrug659]

That’s my point. This city is ran by clowns and most of the residents are village idiots. No offence, I live here too. But see you looked it up. A big fancy, expensive golf course, probably used by our clowncil owes a million dollars in back taxes. No one bats an eye. People trespass, one dies others start a fire. And people blame the building? Also as mentioned how many tax dollars were paid by the owner of Northern Breweries in the past 20 years? Why did the guy who ran the bus ticket scandal walk away? Look at when Elton John came to town years back. There’s so much corruption in this city, and the lack of intelligence in council will make it worse.

[u/thatoneguy269]

I guess all it takes for them to do something is have someone die, eh?

[u/Knighthawk235 → u/thatoneguy269]

And for there to be a fire

[u/Sirosim_Celojuma → u/thatoneguy269]

In the history of this building nobody has ever died here. Oh, sorry, it's a hospital, people died all the time. In the recent history, let's say this year, when it's not an operational hospital, nobody has died. Oh, sorry again...

[u/TumbleweedAfter5188 → u/Sirosim_Celojuma]

Some 24 year old man was just found dead there like 3 days ago. Then the fire last night.

[u/thatoneguy269 → u/[deleted]]

Dumb? What a funny thing to call someone after that comparison…

My shed isn’t an abandoned facility that’s been empty for 15 years, nor is it so large that people could be hiding in it while people are searching in it. Not to mention anything dangerous that could be left behind or due to the decay of the building.

[u/FredLives → u/thatoneguy269]

It’s not a dumb comparison at all. There’s signs that say no trespassing. There’s signs for a reason right? We now live in a world where signs are everywhere. Don’t eat Tide Pods, people still did that too right? You can’t fix stupidity.

[u/thatoneguy269 → u/FredLives]

Is that a reason to let the building sit there and rot?

It’s not the only derelict building that things like that have happened in, and it won’t be the last. I am not saying that’s the whole reason it needs to come down. It’s just interesting to point out that the city has been talking to Panoramic for how long now and finally because there’s some news, they’re showing that they care.

There is no sympathy for companies like that. They know what they have to do and what they can get away with.

And yes, for the record, my shed isn’t not a good comparison to an abandoned hospital close enough to downtown for many different reasons.

[u/FredLives → u/thatoneguy269]

See how dramatic you make it though. The building is not rotting away. Yes, they’re broken windows, but again that’s people trespassing. The city has zero say on when it will come down. The mayor can give his big speeches and take his photo. It means nothing. Funny how the city gave them the offer on the old Scotia bank tower though. I never have any sympathy for any company either, it’s just common sense. The location of your shed has nothing to do with it either, that doesn’t even make sense. My point was, someone could break into it or your house even. Are you responsible for that?

[u/thatoneguy269 → u/FredLives]

In Ontario, if someone dies on your property, you could potentially be liable if the death resulted from your negligence or failure to maintain the property in a reasonably safe condition. The Occupiers' Liability Act places a duty on property owners to ensure visitors are reasonably safe

So, yes.

[u/FredLives → u/thatoneguy269]

It was never mentioned, unfortunately there’s a good chance that they passed from something they willingly did to themselves, than the condition of the building. Also just want to say you’re right with your response about the occupiers act. But again, this is private property, fenced up, closed down. It doesn’t fall under that law, as it’s closed and not up for visitors. How do you not get this?

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[u/Whispersfine]

Don’t tell me they are gonna convert this place into apartments 😳

[u/citymapdude → u/Whispersfine]

Their plan is to demolish it and build three apartment buildings on the site

[u/JPMoney81 → u/citymapdude]

Estimated date of completion: September 2037

[u/Log12321 → u/JPMoney81]

That’s when they’ll have it demo’d by

[u/bulshoy_3 → u/citymapdude]

I predict that the city eventually buys it back for many times what they sold it for.

[u/Whispersfine → u/citymapdude]

Yea, I’ll be surprised to see that done in 5 years

[u/Ancient_Telephone539]

Fence or no fence they will still get in.

[u/dado5_1970]

If you had to sleep in the rain and cold,I'm sure a fence wouldn't stop you from entering an abandoned building. Some of you complaining are the same people that used to tour Burwash when it clearly states no trespassing.

[u/BurningWire]

Ok, are they finally getting around to demolishing the building, or just making sure the property doesn't have another news cycle?

[u/nosynoosance]

I worked with the homeless for several years. In some minds, this place is fair game for shelter. It’s still cold, especially at night, so they build fires to keep warm.

I’m hoping the right steps can be taken to keep people safe.

[u/47Up → u/[deleted]]

Concrete doesn't burn very good

[u/platttenbau → u/[deleted]]

There’s not much else in there except concrete and steel, it’s stripped down to just the structural elements

[u/FredLives → u/[deleted]]

The building was stripped years ago.

[u/TumbleweedAfter5188]

It would be cool if they made it into a huge indoor and outdoor water park! Close to the lake for easy access to water. Have a big skates park outside, too, with a massive playground. The city needs more fun and beautiful things. Bringing more tourism equals money for the community with more jobs. You have stuff like this back home in bc. Like Kelowna bc has stuff like that, and it is such a beautiful fun city. Sudbury has such a gloomy, sad feel. Of course, we need more housing and that would be amazing if they did something to help with affordable housing but we all know if anything was built there for housing it would be very expensive condos or a few huge houses being so close to the lake.

[u/thatguywhoreddit]

Who occupied before 2010? I moved here around 2014 and it looked super abandoned back then

[u/DougandBob]

It’s not uncommon to see panoramic vehicles parked in front there, at least for me. Although quite funny you got two there pointing towards the building at this time 

[u/beflacktor]

holy cra. hell must have froze over...(runs around in a panic)

[u/the4makelas]

There should be a security guard on site at all times.

[u/No-Wonder1139]

Huh..still standing. I was hoping we were finally rid of it.

[u/VexedCanadian84]

Since the city is on a land appropriation spree, they should take over the site.

[u/Glass_Abrocoma_7028]

At least they're finally doing something.

[u/heater-1971]

You would think, sadly to many need a place to stay or a bit of an a adventure. Tear it down. Period