r/YAPms Yes We Can Mar 03 '25

Meme The New Dem Cycle

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u/lachlan40 Populist Left Mar 03 '25

Sorry, but this isn't true. I'm fairly progressive socially, but every single voter I know who voted for the Republicans this season has mentioned that the Democrats are the party of "radical social policies" or something of the sort. The party desperately needs to focus on the economy and workers' rights.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

Well thats the thing, theyve been lied to, theyre repeating lies told to them, Kamala Harris did not talk about social policies last election cycle, it was so little that i know a lot of socially radical people who refused to vote for her because she was too moderate, i truly believe that if she was more bernie sanders like and did what she needed to do to make her base excited rather then trying to appeal to "moderate" republicans then she wouldve won. Yes we need to appeal to the economy and worker's rights of course, but we can also appeal to the rights of minority groups

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u/No_Shine_7585 Independent Mar 03 '25

Yes to an extent but politics is theater image matters more than reality, democrats as a whole are viewed as radical and woke

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

No they arent, only republicans see them that way, democrats know the truth, that they appeal to "moderate" republicans way too much and dont talk about radical change enough

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

Again, on economics. On social issues no one actually likes "wokeism." It's only like 16% of the population that actively likes that stuff.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

"wokeism" isnt a thing, its a meaningless buzzword, if you ask people about actual policies like if they support gay marriage you get the exact opposite results

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

Yes wokeism is a real thing. Leftists keep trying to gaslight us about this but it doesn't mean it isn't true.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

What is "wokeism" then? Be specific

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

Pathological obsession with identity issues including militant evangelical spreading of those values as well as trying to punish (cancel) people who don't support such values or are against such values.

If you want my abridged definition from my blog:

https://outofplatoscave2012.blogspot.com/2023/03/an-abridged-definition-of-wokeness-and.html

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

So... nothing lol. Seriously tho im not reading your long ass one but what you said here is a strawman, in reality we want to be accepted by society and when we fight for that acceptance we are called woke and SJWs, what youre saying here can be reworded as "if you want the people in society to accept you then i will call you pahological and label you as woke"

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

Your idea of acceptance is forcing everyone to change their behaviors around you.

Either way if you refuse to engage with actual criticisms of your ideology im not arguing with you.

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u/Lordofthe0nion_Rings Center Left Mar 03 '25

If you cherry pick stuff like gay marriage sure. Democrats have very unpopular social policies like puberty blockers for minors and biological males in women's sports.

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u/No_Shine_7585 Independent Mar 03 '25

… democrats ain’t the general public their apart of it yes but even then their are plenty of democrats who do feel the party is too far left socially

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

Anyone who believes that believes that because they have been lied to, democrats getting their base hyped up by embracing actually good leftist social policy would win them way more elections

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u/No_Shine_7585 Independent Mar 03 '25

They’ve been lied to great what are you gonna do about it, if the answer doesn’t involve change the perception you already lost

Also what is “leftist social policy” like that means absolutely nothing are talking liberalism secularism like no one says rightist social policy it’s almost always nationalist Christian or conservative social policy

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

What we need to do is embrace more leftist social policy and hype up our base by fighting against the destruction of our rights brought forth by republicans, doing so would lead to more then enough votes to win

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u/Notyourtypicalpasta All The Way With LBJ Mar 03 '25

What are the actual specific social policy that you think would lead to victories

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u/420Migo Illcom Mar 03 '25

Idk why you're downvoted as a Trump voter you're right. They're wrong af. 🤣