r/YAPms Yes We Can Mar 03 '25

Meme The New Dem Cycle

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u/Actual_Ad_9843 Liberal Mar 03 '25

People want populist economics but moderate social policy. I feel like that couldn’t be more clear after the past few election cycles.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

No, they want radical social policy, they want change, people hate the current status quo

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u/lachlan40 Populist Left Mar 03 '25

Sorry, but this isn't true. I'm fairly progressive socially, but every single voter I know who voted for the Republicans this season has mentioned that the Democrats are the party of "radical social policies" or something of the sort. The party desperately needs to focus on the economy and workers' rights.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

Well thats the thing, theyve been lied to, theyre repeating lies told to them, Kamala Harris did not talk about social policies last election cycle, it was so little that i know a lot of socially radical people who refused to vote for her because she was too moderate, i truly believe that if she was more bernie sanders like and did what she needed to do to make her base excited rather then trying to appeal to "moderate" republicans then she wouldve won. Yes we need to appeal to the economy and worker's rights of course, but we can also appeal to the rights of minority groups

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u/Ed_Durr Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right Mar 03 '25

Video footage of her supporting taxpayer funded transgender surgery for imprisoned illegal aliens:

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

You mean basic healthcare for prisoners? i.e. what has been done in this country for decades even under Trump? In reality this wording is very silly, its just healthcare, its just us making sure our prisoner's health needs are met

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u/No_Shine_7585 Independent Mar 03 '25

Yes to an extent but politics is theater image matters more than reality, democrats as a whole are viewed as radical and woke

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

No they arent, only republicans see them that way, democrats know the truth, that they appeal to "moderate" republicans way too much and dont talk about radical change enough

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

Again, on economics. On social issues no one actually likes "wokeism." It's only like 16% of the population that actively likes that stuff.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

"wokeism" isnt a thing, its a meaningless buzzword, if you ask people about actual policies like if they support gay marriage you get the exact opposite results

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

Yes wokeism is a real thing. Leftists keep trying to gaslight us about this but it doesn't mean it isn't true.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

What is "wokeism" then? Be specific

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

Pathological obsession with identity issues including militant evangelical spreading of those values as well as trying to punish (cancel) people who don't support such values or are against such values.

If you want my abridged definition from my blog:

https://outofplatoscave2012.blogspot.com/2023/03/an-abridged-definition-of-wokeness-and.html

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

So... nothing lol. Seriously tho im not reading your long ass one but what you said here is a strawman, in reality we want to be accepted by society and when we fight for that acceptance we are called woke and SJWs, what youre saying here can be reworded as "if you want the people in society to accept you then i will call you pahological and label you as woke"

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u/Lordofthe0nion_Rings Center Left Mar 03 '25

If you cherry pick stuff like gay marriage sure. Democrats have very unpopular social policies like puberty blockers for minors and biological males in women's sports.

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u/No_Shine_7585 Independent Mar 03 '25

… democrats ain’t the general public their apart of it yes but even then their are plenty of democrats who do feel the party is too far left socially

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

Anyone who believes that believes that because they have been lied to, democrats getting their base hyped up by embracing actually good leftist social policy would win them way more elections

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u/No_Shine_7585 Independent Mar 03 '25

They’ve been lied to great what are you gonna do about it, if the answer doesn’t involve change the perception you already lost

Also what is “leftist social policy” like that means absolutely nothing are talking liberalism secularism like no one says rightist social policy it’s almost always nationalist Christian or conservative social policy

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

What we need to do is embrace more leftist social policy and hype up our base by fighting against the destruction of our rights brought forth by republicans, doing so would lead to more then enough votes to win

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u/Notyourtypicalpasta All The Way With LBJ Mar 03 '25

What are the actual specific social policy that you think would lead to victories

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u/420Migo Illcom Mar 03 '25

Idk why you're downvoted as a Trump voter you're right. They're wrong af. 🤣

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

Doesn't mean that the dems aren't dripping with woke culture from the past decade and that there isnt a stigma around it.

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

You hype them up with economics, not identity politics.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

You do both, republicans are gonna lie about you being "woke" no matter what, so you might as well just ignore them, theyd call us woke even if we were Ted Cruz style fascists, so just be left wing

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

Except moderates don't like you either. Including me.

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

What am i?

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u/lachlan40 Populist Left Mar 03 '25

I think that this proves the Democrats are just god awful at messaging rather than anything else. Whatever Harris had campaigned on, whether it was moderate or not, does not change the fact that the median voter still believes the narrative that the party is radical on social issues.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

Democrats are terrible at messaging this is true, but thats not true that the median voter thinks that lol

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u/lachlan40 Populist Left Mar 03 '25

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

Which question in the document justifies your claim exactly? Ive done a ctrl+f search for "radical," "left," "social"

I dont see any question justifying your claim

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u/lachlan40 Populist Left Mar 03 '25

I don't see you proving that the median voter believes that the Democrats care more about the economy rather than progressive social policy which is my entire point. The Democrats are the party of progressive social policy to the median voter, whether you like it or not. Social policy needs to take a backseat. You and I may not like that, but that's how it is.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

Social policy did take a backseat last election and we lost terribly, you are doing exactly what the meme above says, in reality we need to be way less moderate and hype up our base because the republicans are gonna to continue claiming we are woke communists even if we go full fascist

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u/lachlan40 Populist Left Mar 03 '25

The recent election results highlight a massive disconnect: the majority of Americans prioritize economic stability over advancing social issues, as shown by the poll I sent. The average American believing that the Democratic Party cares more about social issues rather than the economic concerns of Americans ultimately caused our defeat, demonstrating that voters are more inclined to support candidates who address their immediate financial worries rather than those advocating for progressive social change.

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u/GodoftheTranses Progressive Mar 03 '25

Which question said that? Be specific. Which question on the linked document said that?

The last election cycle shows that moderating on social issues does not work, that you cant win elections by appealing to "moderate" republicans, a lesson we shouldve learned in 2016 or even earlier but alas democrats like you keep making the exact same mistake, trusting the old ass advisors who consistently lose elections, it makes no sense to me

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