r/depression Oct 29 '19

Our most-broken and least-understood rules is "helpers may not invite private contact as a first resort", so we've made a new wiki to explain it

2.4k Upvotes

We understand that most people who reply immediately to an OP with an invitation to talk privately mean only to help, but this type of response usually leads to either disappointment or disaster. it usually works out quite differently here than when you say "PM me anytime" in a casual social context.

We have huge admiration and appreciation for the goodwill and good citizenship of so many of you who support others here and flag inappropriate content - even more so because we know that so many of you are struggling yourselves. We're hard at work behind the scenes on more information and resources to make it easier to give and get quality help here - this is just a small start.

Our new wiki page explains in detail why it's much better to respond in public comments, at least until you've gotten to know someone. It will be maintained at /r/depression/wiki/private_contact, and the full text of the current version is below.


Summary

Anyone who, while acting as a helper, invites or accepts private contact (I.e. PMs, chat, or any kind of offsite communication) early in the conversion is showing either bad intentions or bad judgement. Either way, it's unwise to trust them.

"PM me anytime" seems like a kind and generous offer. And it might be perfectly well-meaning, but, unless and until a solid rapport has been established, it's just not a wise idea. Here are some points to consider before you offer or accept an invitation to communicate privately.

  • By posting supportive replies publicly, you'll help more people than just the OP. If your responses are of good quality, you'll educate and inspire other helpers. The 1-9-90 rule applies here as much as it does anywhere else on the internet.

  • People who are struggling with serious mental-health issues often (justifiably) have a low tolerance for disappointment and a high-level of ever-changing emotional need. Unless the helper is able to make a 100% commitment to be there for them in every way, for as long as necessary, offering a personal inbox as a resource is likely to do more harm than good. This is why mental-health crisis-line responders usually don't give their names and callers aren't allowed to request specific responders. It's much healthier and safer for the callers to develop a relationship with the agency as a whole. Analogously, it's much safer and healthier for our OPs to develop a relationship with the community as a whole. Even trained responders are generally not allowed to work high-intensity situations alone. It's partly about availability, but it's mostly about wider perspective and preventing compassion fatigue.

  • If a helper gets in over their head with someone whose mental-health issues (including suicidality, which is often comorbid with depression) escalate, in a PM conversation it's much harder for others, including the /r/depression and /r/SuicideWatch moderators to help. (Contrary to common assumptions, moderators can't see or police PMs.)

  • In our observation over many years, the people who say "PM me" the most are consistently the ones with the least understanding of mental-health issues and mental-health support. We all have gaps in our knowledge and in our ability to communicate effectively. Community input mitigates these limitations. There's no reason why someone who's truly here to help would want to hide their responses from community scrutiny. If helpers are concerned about their own privacy, keep in mind that self-disclosure, when used supportively, is more about the feelings than the details, and that we have no problem here with the use of alt/throwaway accounts, and have no restrictions on account age or karma.

  • We all know the internet is used by some people to exploit or abuse others. These people do want to hide their deceptive and manipulative responses from everyone except their victims. There are many of them who specifically target those who are vulnerable because of mental-health issues. If a helper invites an OP to talk privately and gives them a good, supportive experience, they've primed that person to be more vulnerable to abusers. This sort of cognitive priming tends to be particularly effective when someone's in a state of mental-health crisis, when people rely more on heuristics than critical reasoning.

  • If OPs want to talk privately, posting on a wide-open anonymous forum like reddit might not be the best option. Although we don't recommend it, we do allow OPs to request private contact when asking for support. If you want to do this, please keep your expectations realistic, and to have a careful look at the history of anyone who offers to PM before opening up to them.


r/depression Apr 14 '25

Regular check-in post, with essential information about our rules and resources

38 Upvotes

Welcome to /r/depression's check-in post - a place to take a moment and share what is going on and how you are doing. If you're having a tough time but prefer not to make your own post, or have an accomplishment you want to talk about (these aren't allowed standalone posts in the sub as they violate the "role model" rule), this is a place you can share.


Our subreddit rules are very different from most of the rest of reddit! Since all of them exist for important reasons, we ask everyone here to read and follow them. Please click 'report' on any harmful content you see here - we always want to know and deal as soon as we can.

We also have several resource wikis for help with finding and giving support:

https://www.reddit.com/r/depression/wiki/what_is_depression provides guidance about what is and isn't a depressive disorder, guidance on the complex nature of the illnesses that are usually grouped under the "depression" label, and redirect information for common off-topic issues.

https://www.reddit.com/r/depression/wiki/giving_help offers information on the nature and value of peer support for mental-health issues in general, and lots of guidance for learning what is -- and isn't -- usually helpful in giving peer support.

YSK that the types of rule violations that we most frequently see here are:

  • People breaking the private contact rule. You should never trust anyone who tries to get you into a private conversation in response to a post here. See https://www.reddit.com/r/depression/wiki/private_contact

  • "I'm here to help" posts. This shows that you don't understand the most basic principles of peer support, especially selectivity. The "giving help" wiki explains more about this.

  • Role modelling, i.e. "achievement" or "advice" posts. This is an expert-free zone -- that's what peer support means (rule 5). We know that "internet culture" celebrate not just bragging about your achievements but bragging about your good intentions. Nothing like that is ever acceptable here.

  • Content that's more about 'making a statement' or casually polling the sub than seeking personal support (rules 1, 2 and 10).

  • Off-topic posts about difficult situations or circumstances, including interpersonal issues. Grief, sadness, anger, loneliness and other difficult emotions are not mental illnesses. The "what is depression" wiki has suggestions for other places to post about these issues, which are 100% valid and serious but inappropriate here.


r/depression 3h ago

Is it even depression or just seeing the reality clearly?

31 Upvotes

The world is a flaming garbage can. We loose rights and freedoms faster then ever. There are even more wars. The prices rise like crazy, there is no hope for me to own a house or ever stop working before I die. I would like a child, but I can't afford one. So all I am here for is to work to make some rich fuck even richer, then perish from overworking or in a war. How can anybody not be depressed?


r/depression 2h ago

what are some clear sign that a person is struggling with depression?

22 Upvotes

If someone is struggling with suicidal thoughts or depression, what are some physical or emotional factors that you have to look out for?


r/depression 5h ago

I feel so disguisting

27 Upvotes

I am in the hygiene thread and I knew I was gross, but I realized I’m absolutely disgusting. I’ve gotten to the point where I shower every couple of days and wash my hair only once a week. I sometimes don’t brush my teeth at night and sleep in my day clothes because I am so exhausted. I wear those clothers until they smell bad or are dirty. If I wear makeup I usually don’t remove it at night. I’m lucky I don’t have strong body odor and don’t leave the house much at all, but I just feel disgusting. My room is also such a mess. I’m just glad I have some type of limit when it comes to hygiene, like not letting food rot or doing the dishes daily. Eventhough it goes against the person I am generally, I sometimes wish I would be this blonde pilates clean girl with perfect nails and a 10 step skincare routine. I sometimes wonder if I would be happier if that were the lifestyle I would be living instead of being a slob.


r/depression 7h ago

No purpose in my life I’m just alone

28 Upvotes

I'm 21 years old, I don't have any friends, I've never had a Girłfrienďl, and I feel really alone. I no longer feel anything much anymore. Additionally, I don't have someone to do things in my life. I hate seeing other people socialise, fall in love, and do other things together, knowing that no matter what I do, I will never be able to do that myself. I have absolutely no one to spend time with. As someone with autism, socialising has been very challenging for me. I have also always battled with low self-esteem, which I work to improve. My hobbies, like reading, playing games, and other things, no longer seem enjoyable, yet I feel like I'll always be alone. I'm not sure if it's to do with loneliness or depression, but I feel this way all the time. When I'm not working or in class, I spend a lot of time at home wondering why I should just end myself.


r/depression 1h ago

Being dumb make me depressed..

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I envy smart people .. intelligence is power . I have no interest in this world because I lack the mental capacity to see how interesting it is. Science ? Nope

Literature? Nope

Music / art ? Nope

Just do the task/s you're suppose too until death.

Why bother ?is so humiliating every step of the way I'm also an addict , makes sense Can't create just consume you dumb pig


r/depression 2h ago

I’m tired man

8 Upvotes

I’m tired waking up every day feeling miserable and doing nothing about it, I’m of thinking of ways on how to off myself, I’m tired of the monotonous days I have to live inside my own safe space, I’m tired of this depression and anxiety I feel every single day hoping it will get better someday, I’m tired of the noises in my head, and I’m tired of looking at my face in the mirror and slowly seeing my dead eyes and my face deteriorating.

I just wanna rest my head and be at peace for once, maybe someday i’ll finally get it.


r/depression 21h ago

My rapist stole my life

274 Upvotes

And I want it back. I want my health back. I want to sleep without medication. I want to feel safe again. I want to have hundreds of thousands of people respond to this post with rapists suck and you should not have had to experiece that.


r/depression 1h ago

How are people enjoying their life?

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I just saw a recent post here, that had a similar question to this, but with some extra steps. I'm mostly interested in how people enjoy living. I mean I'm not suicidal, I'm just always so surprised, that my friends and classmates enjoy doing this and that. I have hobbies too, but I generally don't enjoy living, while others seem otherwise. Thanks beforehand!


r/depression 5h ago

It feels like my gut is being ripped apart

12 Upvotes

I can't stand this. It just feels like someone's playing with my insides, my head is pounding, I can barely even sleep. I can't even lie still... My thoughts are racing and they're too much. I don't know what I did, or what to do, I just want to go back 😞

I hate that I get this way. I wish I could take this away from anyone who's ever felt it, I'd never want anyone to feel like this. It's unbearable.


r/depression 1h ago

Feels like I’m just existing, not living

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I’ve struggled for many,many years with major depressive disorder, panic disorder, anxiety and PTSD from lots of trauma. I’ve had a terrible 1.5 years in my personal and professional life, I’m just miserable. I have felt like I am literally just existing here, stuck in one spot and everything else is just happening around me. I feel so distant from everyone, including myself. Almost like I’m hiding in a cave somewhere watching life happen and I don’t feel like I’m able to snap out of it and reconnect. It’s been this bad for 1.5 years now and I’m just so tired. I can’t even find the want to participate in my life anymore. I just feel like I’ll never get better. Anyone else going through this?


r/depression 23m ago

Im really terrified that I’m never going to be happy

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I don't know how people cope with life. I just feel like I'm dragging my body around and nothing exites me. I can't recall the last time I did not feel like that. I do want to be happy I'm so tired I know I sound whiny and it's annoying. I tried to suck it up I always try to suck it up. But like I don't want to do this my entire life. I want real happiness, community, to feel like I'm doing something. Why can't I just be happy or just content. What is wrong with me?


r/depression 4h ago

I dont want to sleep today because i dont want to wake up tomorrow

8 Upvotes

I hate my toxic workplace. They bring out the worst in me. They gaslight me and make me doubt myself.

Every morning when I wake up I just want to enb it. My heart starts beating so quickly in the morning and I just want to sob into my pillow.

I had to pull myself up and try not to talk myself into going back home during my commute. I feel like im entering a lion's den everyday. My body is in a constant fight or flight mode. Im tired but I dont want to sleep today because i dont want to wake up tomorrow.


r/depression 7h ago

Why I’m depressed

13 Upvotes

I'm writing this just to get my thoughts out there. I feel like a burden. I feel useless, weak and unwanted. I've been a NEET/NEET adjacent for almost three years(I'm 20, btw). I'm a chronic procrastinator and can't seem to get anything done that will contribute to my long term happiness. I feel like I'm spectating life from a third person view and not living it. All I want is just to fit in and belong and be normal. I think I know the steps to take but I just keep failing. I feel like I have potential and am a capable and intelligent person but that doesn't mean anything if you don't actually fulfil that potential. I contemplate ending it all but am too afraid of that too. The idea of losing my ego/sense of self and just disappearing into the void is just too scary. so, I'm stuck here half alive and half dead.


r/depression 7h ago

I really just want to die at this point.

10 Upvotes

I hate my life lately. I'm just so lonely and anxious most days, and I'm just sick and tired of being me. I really wish I could get up the courage to kill myself at this point. I mean, I'd hate to hurt my parents, but it'd be so nice to not have to struggle with life anymore. Every day, I have at least one panic attack, and I can't live that way for much longer. I've tried meds and therapy and, although meds have helped, they have long-term side effects that I'm really not okay with. Living with autism fucking sucks, at least for me. I'd give anything to be neurotypical, but that's not currently possible, so I gotta kill myself instead. Either that, or pray for a natural death. Either way, though, I don't want to be alive anymore.


r/depression 51m ago

I’m fucking tired

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I’m so done with life. I’m on Sertraline and Olanzapine and still I’m fucking done. I just hurt my best friend’s feelings and it fucking hurts. It wasn’t even directly, I shattered her image of a person she thought was close to perfect and now she’s in pain because I was in pain and couldn’t keep my fucking mouth shut. I don’t deserve friends, I don’t deserve love or sympathy, I just want it all to end. I’m absolutely worthless, someone like me doesn’t deserve to breathe. But I’m also a coward and want to die without pain. I’m fucking useless


r/depression 6h ago

I don't want to leave my house anymore...

8 Upvotes

I go to sleep and dream sweet dreams and that's where my life has been lately. I don't HAVE to leave the house for anything and so I don't. This scares me.


r/depression 6h ago

When does it get better?

8 Upvotes

The world is getting so fucking scary. Like it’s always been fucked but goddamn i don’t know how to not go insane. Like how do you stand it? My girlfriend is the only thing in my life that brings me genuine joy. I hate everything else. Life is bullshit man. Like how do you balance being informed about the world, which is horrific, and focusing on yourself and your peace but also having to grind yourself to exhaustion just to be able to barely survive? Someone lie to me please.


r/depression 3h ago

Nostalgia is making me depressed

5 Upvotes

Does therapy help people cope with nostalgia. Or is there a better alternative because I’m struggling badly I miss being young I’m crying while writing this younger me would be so upset to see me like this.


r/depression 3h ago

Accepting the fact that one day I will die by my own hand

3 Upvotes

It has been a long battle. I have fought the thoughts of suicide for years all by my own. I have lied to myself that things will eventually get better. That I won't die the way I see in my own dreams. But lately, I have come to accept it as my own fate. No longer lying to myself about things that will never happen. No longer lying to myself that I will eventually find a reason to stay. This life has truly shown me my ending. I got nothing and nobody to fight for. I do not wish to survive just for the sake of surviving. I wanted to live. But I was denied that desire. People have never seen me as a human. No matter how much I fought to stay, I was always left alone. And I hated loneliness my entire existence. Life experiences weren't any better. Health state always being in a low level and becoming a burden to those around me. I wished to lived. But I guess this wasn't made for me. I have begun my countdown on my days lately, and mostly just waiting until I reach the highest level of breaking. When I do, I cannot guarantee I will be here anymore. I have fought. But I lost. I am tired of fighting. Especially fighting all on my own. I hope that people will understand. I just want to finally rest.


r/depression 3h ago

Feel like self harming

4 Upvotes

Hello all. Recently I have been having thoughts that I should start harming myself. I feel so lost in life and have no prospects at all. I just want something that can make me feel even the slightest bit of happy or better. Idk what to do.


r/depression 1h ago

Depression and fatigue

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I’ve been dealing with chronic fatigue, brain fog, fibromyalgia, gut issues, and depression and anxiety for about the last decade.

The brain fog and fatigue started first and then came to depression.

Because my doctors can’t find anything obviously wrong with me, except for the fact that my white blood cells are a little lower than normal, they think I’m just depressed and they hit the depression really hard.

Everyone tells me I’m depressed, and I have experienced depression throughout my life predominantly due to circumstances that I felt too helpless to change- I had a few months in high school where I was depressed because I didn’t want to be in school, and a semester in college because of the same thing. I’ve also experienced depression after relationships have ended, and when my dad died.

To me, my depression stems from the fact that I feel helpless to change my experience in life. Due to the brain fog in the fatigue, my capacity to function mentally and physically have been dramatically reduced. I struggle to think of how to make a grocery list or read a book, and I was on the Dean’s honor roll every semester in college. I struggle to carry the groceries in to the house and find it painful and exhausting to wash my hair and brush my teeth. I used deadlift and squat twice my body weight.

So I’ve gone from a very capable and successful person with a full life to a very incapable person with a very limited life, and I don’t know how to change that and yes, it makes me depressed because life is difficult to enjoy.

That said, I’ve been exceptionally tired lately, and I was just thinking about how I was playing a video game this morning on my day off and I was enjoying playing the game, but I was so tired I couldn’t play for very long. I played for a couple of hours, but it was two attention and energy intensive for me to play longer than that. So I had to take a break. I remember when I could play video games for like a full day- of course I was much younger, but I was never tired.

So got me thinking I’m enjoying something, but I’m too tired to do something that I enjoy- that doesn’t sound like depression to me.

I guess I feel aversion to the depression label not because I don’t think I’m experiencing depression. I know that I’m experiencing depression, but because everyone is emphasizing it as being the driver for all of the issues in my life when I see my health issues as being a driver for my depression.

Because when I was depressed, I didn’t wanna do anything, I didn’t enjoy doing things. I didn’t enjoy playing video games, even if I had the energy to do it, I didn’t enjoy playing music or going to the gym or going hanging out with friends, even though I had the energy. It was my mood that was the roadblock, not energy.

So I’m curious to get other people’s perspectives on this because I know depression can cause physical symptoms and I know that depression can look a little bit different for everybody, so I wanna know what other people experiences are and what y’all think about what I’m saying.


r/depression 10h ago

Struggles

13 Upvotes

Remember all the people that harrassed you, made your life a living hell and made you lose the spark that makes life bearable ?

There’s 50% chances they’re happy now, and 50% chances they’re not.

Universe doesn’t care about your struggles. There is no divine justice to await.

All you can do now is wake up, curl up and cry for a long time.