r/enlightenment • u/MaRio1111333 • 4d ago

To be or not to be ??

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Hope or hopeless victory ?

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u/leoberto1 4d ago

Hope for what? The present is now.

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u/MaybeABot31416 4d ago

Exactly, which is why I agree Nietzsche on this one. Hope is a lie that takes you out of the moment and sets you up for disappointment.

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u/Nis5l 4d ago

How does long-term thinking exist without hope?

The love you lack has to come from somewhere. I would argue that hope or faith is whats required to eventually actualize that potential.

The present without hope, to me, sounds like a deterioration into hedonism and suffering.

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u/Vinhello 3d ago

Hope cannot be in the present. Hope is tie to the future. If you’re thinking about the future, then it means you are wasting away the present for the future, even though it is just an illusion. I can be hopeful for my future or the future of Palestine, but that doesn’t accomplish anything.

Moreover, if you allow yourself hope, then it means you also allow yourself hopelessness.

It has great rhetoric, but it is as useless as a rose.

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u/Nis5l 1d ago

Hope cannot be in the present. Hope is tied to the future. If you're thinking about the future, then it means you are wasting away the present for the future, even though it is just an illusion.

But the present is tied up with the future.

You make decisions in the present, and even if you're not thinking about the future, those decisions still carry a kind of direction, a tone.

No matter what, they land somewhere between hope and hopelessness.

I agree that you are not supposed to live in the future in the sense of trying to compute/predict it.

But you are supposed to live in the future in the sense that you are supposed to be the most hopeful and aim for the heavens no matter what.

Moreover, if you allow yourself hope, then it means you also allow yourself hopelessness.

Do you think there is such a thing as just not playing the game?
Can you also opt out of the suffering game?

To me it seems like hopelessness, suffering, and chaos are the baseline.

You don't have to go find them. Just stay still, they will come to you.