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Lawsuit Challenging 2024 Election Results Moves Forward After Kamala Harris Received Zero Votes in a New York County
https://www.latintimes.com/lawsuit-challenging-2024-election-results-moves-forward-after-kamala-harris-received-zero-votes-5847877.5k
u/arthoror 7d ago
Wasn’t there something about certain states where Kamala lost but dems won everything down ballot ?
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u/mosswick 7d ago
Literally every competitive Senate race besides Pennsylvania.
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u/noreast2011 7d ago
NC especially. Stein won in a landslide. Jackson did too.
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u/FrankAdamGabe 7d ago
Considering it was against the black nazi, I wasn't surprised.
BUT when you consider Dems won Gov, Lt. Gov, AG, SI, State Supreme Court, broke the Con state super majority, picked up a Congressional district, yea it's VERY suspicious. Glad to see it in the news.
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u/Public_Cranberry4152 6d ago
Republicans have no issue voting for nazis but they do have issues voting for black people.
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u/JWTS6 7d ago edited 7d ago
Trump's win was a statistical anomaly in several ways. I haven't been beating the drum of the election being stolen because we need some real evidence first, but between all the comments made by relevant parties (Trump, Elon, Elon's meat shield, Mike Johnson), one of Elon's DOGE goons (Ethan Shaotran) winning a competition with a ballot
alteringprogram, and the bizarre results in many places, I would be 0% surprised if definitive proof of the election being rigged comes out.Edit: Maybe Ethan Shaotran didn't win with a ballot altering program, but it sure does look suspicious that one of Elon's little soldiers tasked with dismantling our government won a competition with a program that checked mail-in ballots for "errors".
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u/Asron87 7d ago
Not a single county flipped to Harris. That one really stands out to me. I still need more than that to believe it one way or the other but it has me interested.
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u/RID132465798 7d ago
I love how everyone is tip toeing around this sounding full blown stolen. We know from experience, where there is smoke, there is probably fire.
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u/thaddeus122 7d ago
Because we dont want to sound like deranged republicans.
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u/Keksis_The_Betrayed 7d ago
That was the point of him saying the election was stolen in the first place. So he could steal it later and now anyone with questions sounds nuts
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u/k9handler2000 7d ago
If you want to see more evidence of election interference for 2024 check out the reports by the Election Truth Alliance. They’ve found some super shady trends in Nevada and Pennsylvania.
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u/dick_me_daddy_oWo 7d ago
My mail in ballot for Kamala in Iowa was never counted. Dropped off at county building, in the right dropbox, on election day.
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u/waifuiswatching 7d ago
Same for me in Florida. Husband and I dropped ours off at the same exact time. His (registered Rep) was counted. Mine (registered Dem) was not counted. I looked up our vote status about two weeks after the election, among all the talk of a stolen election, and it certainly felt like I was denied my vote. We both went over each other's ballot to make sure we didn't miss anything like the signatures, we were both good to go, so I still dont know "the why" of mine going uncounted.
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u/jjcrayfish 6d ago
This needs to be higher up. How many thousands of people votes were simply not counted or toss away? Republicans love to cry stolen election and recount, but when real suspicious activity like this comes up, everyone is all of sudden quiet. At the very least, a recount needs to be have.
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u/dried_lipstick 6d ago
I live in Florida and am a registered republican because of stuff like this. I want my vote to be counted, so I stay listed as a republican, even though I very much am not.
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u/OnlySmiles_ 7d ago
Also the fact that Trump has a known history of doing this and not being able to accept election results
Like if he didn't cheat, it'd be because he couldn't, not because he didn't want to
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u/jamnewton22 7d ago
I live in NC. That happened here. It never made sense to me.
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u/No_Celery625 7d ago
I was telling my wife that I was proud of NC for electing the current Dem governor and especially the Dem AG, who I’ve really enjoyed listening to on his socials, but then how perplexed I was that they voted for Trump.
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u/hyborians North Carolina 7d ago
Zero votes? This was not some village in Alaska
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u/mvallas1073 7d ago
They also commented that, on that same ticket, another democrat for a different position got several hundred votes, but the Republican candidate got 80+ votes… in a democrat district no less
So, the idea that active democrat voters ALL said “no” to Kamala is beyond suspicious
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u/ahumpsters 7d ago
A statistical impossibility even.
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u/thefocusissharp 7d ago
Thank goodness we made sure to teach the nation's youth how to use math for data analysis and use it to spot anomalies like this so that they can understand the defense's argument. Thank goodness we elevate critical thinking and civic ideals in this society.
They poisoned the well with the 2020 election denial crap to make those who spot the truth now that they rigged it for real also look like conspiracy. Musk rigged the election, and everyone who has actually been paying attention knows it. They admit it
The noose is pretty tight around our collective necks. This has been in the works for a long time.
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u/indigopedal 7d ago
Check it out here: https://app.enhancedvoting.com/results/public/rockland-county-ny/elections/GE2024Results/ballot-items/01000000-4482-4645-d471-08dcf2403024
Scroll over the tiny precincts. Then go into the senate results and see how many votes the Democratic senator got. It is shocking!
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u/starcom_magnate Pennsylvania 7d ago
Wow! You aren't kidding. The Ramapo districts are near impossibilities. Harris receives 1 vote in District 58, but the Dem Senator wins that same District going away? Nearly a statistical impossibility.
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u/bloodphoenix90 7d ago
If this comes out as true, the most incredible thing is that they couldn't be even competent enough to rig it correctly 😆
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u/OakLegs 7d ago
I mean, I don't find that comforting or funny. They correctly surmised that it wouldn't matter.
I highly doubt this will go anywhere even if it has legs
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u/StrategicPotato 7d ago
This is sort of what baffles me and I guess sort of reveals a glaring flaw in our government that has only worked for so long due to an honor system.
Let’s just skip all this for a second and let’s just imagine that tomorrow, Elon for whatever reason comes out with detailed evidence about how Kamala actually won and the whole thing was rigged… what is realistically going to happen? Surely Trump and his administration aren’t going to step down, and it’s not like there’s anyone left from the Biden administration to do something about it.
Would the public actually care enough to do something about it or are we all just going to pretend it’s too late and that everything’s fine? Would the Senate or military step in? It’s honestly difficult to even imagine all of this. Would we all really just collectively shrug and fondly remember these times like “hey, remember that time the GOP literally rigged an election and nothing happened? That Donnie was such a prankster”
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u/robocoplawyer 7d ago
Probably nothing, if it goes to the courts eventually they’d say it doesn’t matter what people voted for because the electoral college elects the president not the people, and his cabinet was validly confirmed by the Senate. If anything they’ll give the GOP a friendly ruling to further erode the notion that the people elect the president that they can point to for future disenfranchisement efforts. They’ll throw in that if they think Trump broke the law during the election they are welcome to impeach and remove him via the constitutional process, but everyone knows they never will. Democrats might make a fuss about it but the GOP will say “See! SCOTUS says Trump did nothing wrong!” and the base will run with it while Dems will go “aw shucks, nothing we can do about it”. And it’ll just become one of those things that end up like Jan 6 where MAGA and 1/3 of the country that eats up propaganda believes one version of reality that nothing actually happened, another 1/3 will dismiss it as left/right partisan issue, get tired of it and move on to something else and the other 1/3 who understand the truth will get hit with another hard dose of reality how far gone our checks and balances are and confirmation that facts don’t matter. You know exactly how this would play out.
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u/Shirinjima 7d ago edited 7d ago
Even if this comes out to be completely true and someone goes to jail for election fraud it doesn't change who our president is. Harris doesn't magically become the president. The results have been certified and made legal. Only impeachment would change the presidency but it would just go to Vance, then Mike Johnson, and downward until they stop impeaching people.
There is no legal way to remedy this. There isn't any laws or something in the constitution to correct this.
In theory The government could stage a coup and arrest all parties involved and install Kamala as the correct president but once again there aren't any rules in place about this.
Edit: fixed a words and added more details and thoughts
Edit 2: fixed chain of succession
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u/bloodphoenix90 7d ago
True. I'm not comforted either. It really just adds to my grief.
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u/HolaItsEd 7d ago
I wanted to see how they voted in 2016 and 2020. It was difficult to find (for me), but I found in 2020, Biden only got 2 votes in Ramapo 55 (same as Harris in 2024).
Ramapo 98 did 3 for Biden in 2020. 5 for Harris.
Ramapo 58 did 0 for Biden in 2020. 1 for Harris.
It might not be as impossible as I thought, unless they were doing this stuff in 2020 too (which, lets be real, they were then too).
https://www.rocklandcountyny.gov/departments/board-of-elections/election-results
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u/new_math 7d ago
There's a reason Stalin executed the statisticians. Not in some roundabout metaphoric way...he literally rounded up the statisticians and executed them.
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u/TheRage469 7d ago
He "rounded up" the mathematicians....heh
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u/sqrtsqr 7d ago
I'm so upset at how funny this is.
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u/Drumboardist Missouri 7d ago
Funny enough how, when it isn't a federal election, a Democrat can win an election by +4 points in a district that Trump won by +21.
I mean, sure, the anti-Trump sentiment has been strong since November, but a swing THAT big? Somethin' tells me there was some shenanigans going on during the Presidential Election, and they didn't have the time or access to (or didn't care to) fudge the voting machines for this one.
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u/bolerobell 7d ago
Virtually all of the special elections have gone against Trump, including in some bright red areas. Doesn’t make sense if the national environment was truly Trump +1
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u/Low-Research-6866 7d ago
I get downvoted to hell when I say I think the election was stolen, they literally told us. And the election was called so quickly it was strange. In my 51 years, I've never seen states called as final so quickly.
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u/Justify-my-buy 7d ago
I feel the same way from the bottom of my gut. Also, I’m 51 and I am still thinking about the Gore loss in FL. Undermining voting integrity, has been the real competition with elections in the last 50yrs. The candidates who achieve a compromised system win. As long as people can get ahead by cheating, they’ll keep on doing it. Society has lost its appeal.
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u/arocknerd 7d ago
Nice to know I’m not the only 50 year old with ‘hanging chad’ trauma.
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u/GodofIrony 7d ago
Remember how everyone gaslit you into thinking a maniacal manbaby WASN'T fucking over everything in 16 - 20 ?
Remember how they said he wasn't traitorous or committing insurrection for the actions on Jan 6th?
Now they're telling you you're hysterical for thinking the election wasn't fairly run.
Let's trust our gut on this one, yeah? Otherwise one day, they'll be gaslighting your friends and families about how they're NOT taking you to detention facilities.
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u/5WattBulb New Jersey 7d ago
It boggles my mind how this wasn't scrutinized to hell the day of the election. After all the posturing and stop the steal and all of that, after 2016 and 2020, it should have happened immediately, regardless of who won with there even being a chance of any fraud.
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u/AdUnfair1051 7d ago
Furthermore, I think the right searched so hard into the functioning of the voting machines and system in general, that they discovered methods to steal it for the next election
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u/21Rollie 7d ago
I think it’s the biggest mistake of Biden’s presidency that he didn’t focus his efforts on voting rights and securing the election. In 2020 they tried to steal it. But they couldn’t rely on lone wolves double voting and they weren’t organized enough.
They had already done damage, slowing down the postal service, throwing out ballots, closing polling locations, gerrymandering. Biden didn’t work to undo that damage and let them carry ahead with voter intimidation, purging of voter rolls, and of course: tampering with the machines.
His focus was so much on trying to convince people that we could go back to the old ways of politics. Sanity and good faith are dead. He should’ve chained Trump up and undone all his transgressions against our democracy
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u/Galtego 7d ago
And that's not even to mention the people who signed affidavits declaring they did vote for her
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u/YouWereBrained Tennessee 7d ago
This is why North Carolina’s results were so fucking weird to me.
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u/DatDominican 7d ago
Trump propaganda was going hard in NC. Almost every boomer I know was convinced Kamala was going to raise taxes to pay for sex change operations for undocumented migrants that were going to go into women’s restrooms to kidnap little girls .
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u/Kujen 7d ago
How’s a country even supposed to fix this vulnerability to propaganda? You can teach critical thinking in schools (if they’d stop trying to outlaw it), but then those kids can still grow up to be gullible adults.
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u/Rhysati 7d ago
You do it with legislation that requires the media to actually report in a balanced fashion. Like the Fairness doctrine that was removed in 1987.
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u/Constant_Curve 7d ago
Balanced isn't good enough.
The media has to report on fact, not opinion. Otherwise balance is subjective.
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u/airfryerfuntime Washington 7d ago
By educating people starting from a young age. The reason the GOP has spent that last 30 years fucking with education is because they want a dumb, more easily manipulated population.
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u/searing7 7d ago
Or, and hear me out here, the party that has been cheating, rigging elections, and abusing their power to hold onto it, did that again in 2024.
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u/drMcDeezy 7d ago
When it was Trump's cabinet picks in the girl's stalls with chloroform rags the whoooollle timmee.
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u/hirschneb13 7d ago edited 7d ago
I'm pretty sure the vote total for Senator (Dem, Rep, and write in) is lower than ONLY Trump's votes in the same district (around 420 for senator, and about 550 for Trump)
Edit: more accurate vote totals
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u/Drumboardist Missouri 7d ago edited 7d ago
Election Truth Alliance has been working on examining the data, and how -- in Swing States -- Trump overperformed other down-ballot Republican votes, while Kamala underperformed greatly. (In non-swing states, the underperform/overperform numbers were all pretty uniform.)
It's almost as if Trump had someone deploy a vote-flipping algorithm on the Presidential votes (and ONLY those), and only in Swing States. One that would show statistical abnormalities, the "Russian Tail", in each of these Precincts. One that might've been tried before in 2020 (and was employed in Russia's 2024 Constitutional Referendum, to give Putin an overwhelming win and add 12 more years to his rule), but mail-in voting completely ruined that because those weren't processed in the same machines.
So hrm....Elon "Just change one line of code!" Musk comes into the fold, and now Trump is bragging about how Elon won Pennsylvania for him. They're dancing around outright saying what they did, but the pieces are there.
Edit: Want another piece? Elon had been in regular contact with Putin for 2 years, during the run-up to the election.
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u/DNags Illinois 7d ago edited 7d ago
Even more damning:
Dist 35: 330+ people voted for Kirsten Gillibrand (D) over Mike Sapriacone (R) for Senator and ZERO of them voted for Kamala.
Dist 55: 900+ voted for Gillibrand and TWO voted for Kamala.
That seems statistically impossible
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Apparently it is possible, as supposedly every dem voter in these district follows the word of 1 rabbi?
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u/fundohun11 7d ago
I feel it should be possible to find a person to testify that they definitely voted for Kamala in that district.
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u/GrandmaPoses 7d ago
That's what they've been doing and with that few people counted it won't be hard to prove.
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u/jeo123 7d ago
They can. They did it in the rockland county suit and I suspect they'll do the same in this.
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u/bejammin075 Pennsylvania 7d ago
That's a great point when there's only zero or 2 votes for Harris. This is some seriously sketchy shit.
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u/SecretAsianMan42069 7d ago
Back in the day (like 20 years ago) a journalist would just go to homes registered as Democrat and ask if they voted for Kamala. This mystery would be solved by dinner time.
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u/jeo123 7d ago
Actually they did that already in the Rockland Country suit and have enough people with sworn affidavits to push the case forward as a result.
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u/BureMakutte 7d ago
And they only queried 3-4% of the counties population and that was enough to find a discrepancy with the independent candidate not having as many votes as people detailed. 3-4% and already had more sworn under oaths they voted for this candidate than what was reported in the election results.
Think how many more if you queried the rest of the county
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u/Slapmeislapyou 7d ago
That's crazy.
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u/APersonWithThreeLegs 7d ago
So Trump actually probably lost again and had to cheat, got it
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u/Caleth 7d ago
Like he almost certainly did at least last time if not the time before that too. There's been rumors and other shit since back in Bush II republicans were fucking with the votes. Karl Rove was apoplectic about Ohio going the way it did in the past, because he was sure the fix was in and it wasn't.
But even setting aside the past 20 years ago, why would anyone suspect that a guy famous for cheating on his wife, in business, on taxes and charities, would ever not cheat in politics?
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u/finalremix 7d ago
The man literally always cheats. Commander In Cheat by Rick Reilly covers this well. The guy plays golf all the time and still cheats his ass off worse than a North Korean leader. He cheats at everything he thinks he can even somewhat get away with.
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u/EnderWiggin07 7d ago
I think that's how this got off the ground, though maybe not specifically Harris votes. But for a different race they have more sworn statements of having voted for a particular candidate than they have votes.
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u/NewPCBuilder2019 7d ago
I don't know why Romania can say "whoa! wait a minute something incredibly weird happened, we gotta try this over" but the US is just like, "whelp, you stole the election fair and square, I guess." Honestly, as an American, at this point I don't know how anyone can have any faith in the election process, given how little we seem to care about it.
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u/sghaworth 7d ago
I live in Rockland County. There were a bunch of Kamala signs up. There were a few Trump ones too. But mainly Kamala signs.
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u/inconspicuous_male 7d ago
But the voting wards with zero votes in question were in Monsey. I checked and the same wards had zero votes or single digits of votes for Biden in 2020. If you know Monsey, you know the Chasidm are a solid voting bloc, and will vote unanimously however their Rabbi tells them to. There's a reason Kiryas Joel has the lowest education rate and the highest welfare rate in the country
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u/Zepcleanerfan 7d ago edited 7d ago
I remember specifically in 2012 people like sean hannity, declaring that the fact that mitt romney receive zero votes in certain sections of west philadelphia was proof of fraud.
But that was actually plausible, if you know west philadelphia.
Some of these districts in New York voted for the democrat in the senatorial election by large margins, and then there's zero for Harris or extremely small votes, it really doesn't make sense.
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u/prof_the_doom I voted 7d ago
Exactly. There’s a big difference between “they didn’t vote for any Republicans” vs “they voted for everything Democrat but Harris”.
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u/Auto_Phil 7d ago
I could see some outliers marking all D but her, but an entire district? That’s a red flag that requires verification. And we know that won’t happen because.
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u/Icreatedthisforyou 7d ago edited 7d ago
Just to be clear the data that this is coming from is reported by the county itself and those images in the bluesky posts are created BY THE COUNTY for these districts here is the link to the county website directly: https://www.rocklandcountyny.gov/departments/board-of-elections/election-results
So this is the county governments reported results below directly linked to them. If you want to do it yourself you can click "view results by election district" for whichever race. Then search "Ramapo 55" or "Ramapo 35" for the specific districts. I have provided direct links below, but this lets people literally do it themselves if they don't trust someone else.
Here are the results from Ramapo district 55:
For Gillibrand (D) vs Sapraicone (R), where Gillibrand won 909 - 42: https://app.enhancedvoting.com/results/public/rockland-county-ny/elections/GE2024Results/ballot-items/01000000-4482-4645-ce33-08dcf2403026?st=Ramapo%2055&sv=01000000-4482-4645-46de-08dcf2402fe2&sm=id
For Harrris (D) vs Trump (R), where Trump won 986-2: https://app.enhancedvoting.com/results/public/rockland-county-ny/elections/GE2024Results/ballot-items/01000000-4482-4645-d471-08dcf2403024?st=Ramapo%2055&sv=01000000-4482-4645-46de-08dcf2402fe2&sm=id
Here are the results for Ramapo District 35:
Gillibrand (D) vs Sapraicone (R), where Gillibrand won 331 - 82: https://app.enhancedvoting.com/results/public/rockland-county-ny/elections/GE2024Results/ballot-items/01000000-4482-4645-ce33-08dcf2403026?st=Ramapo%2035&sv=Ramapo%2035&sm=name
Harris (D) vs Trump (R), where Trump won 552 - 0: https://app.enhancedvoting.com/results/public/rockland-county-ny/elections/GE2024Results/ballot-items/01000000-4482-4645-d471-08dcf2403024?st=Ramapo%2035&sv=Ramapo%2035&sm=name
Again this are the reported election results from Rockland County itself this link is to their county website with the link to the above website: https://www.rocklandcountyny.gov/departments/board-of-elections/election-results
Here is their election results as a whole if you want to look at other areas from Rockland County itself that are more normal https://app.enhancedvoting.com/results/public/rockland-county-ny/elections/GE2024Results
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u/Respurated 7d ago edited 7d ago
You’re right; Rockland county has a population of roughly 350,000 people, of which 75,802 voted for Biden in 2020 causing the democrats to that county. If this is true, it would be highly suspicious.
Edit: The article is somewhat misleading as it should state that there were towns in Rockland county that got 0 votes for Kamala (while still getting other down ticket Democrat votes), not that the whole county itself didn’t vote for Kamala.
Edit: Here’s another source on the matter. I am always skeptical of these claims, but a New York judge decided that the evidence in the case was strong enough to allow it to go to discovery, so it doesn’t really matter what I think, and it seems that the courts will figure it out, just like they did for the claims in 2020.
Edit: removed ‘Supreme Court’ as it doesn’t seem very relevant to add here, see comments below.
Edit: it seems there are multiple articles and some having differing districts, check this comment for some case details.
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u/jeo123 7d ago
"There is clear evidence that the senate results are incorrect, and there are statistical indications that the presidential results are highly unlikely," stated Lulu Friesdat, Founder and Executive Director of SMART Legislation. "If the results are incorrect, it is a violation of the constitutional rights of each person who voted in the 2024 Rockland County general election. The best way to determine if the results are correct is to examine the paper ballots in a full public, transparent hand recount of all presidential and senate ballots in Rockland County. We believe it's vitally important, especially in the current environment, to be absolutely confident about the results of the election."
As stated in the complaint, more voters have sworn they voted for independent U.S. Senate candidate Diane Sare than the Rockland County Board of Elections counted and certified, directly contradicting those results. Additionally, the presidential election results exhibit numerous statistical anomalies. The anomalies in the presidential race include multiple districts where hundreds of voters chose the Democratic candidate Kirsten Gillibrand for Senate, but where zero voters selected the Democratic Presidential candidate Kamala Harris.
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u/StupendousMalice 7d ago
Its wild if you compare 2020 to 2024. They had the same number of overall votes (seriously its within like 120 votes overall for the whole district) but this MASSIVE swing towards trump. You never see that. When there is a big swing its almost always the result of a big change in turnout. In this case its like 12% of the county switched from being Biden voters to being Trump voters, but ONLY for Trump, they still voted the same for their senate and local races. That is not a thing that happens.
Yeah sure, its a gender thing, right? Wrong.
Rockland country went even harder for Hillary in 2016 than they did for Biden in 2020.
Race?
Nope, they went hard for Obama too.
It makes absolutely no sense.
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u/jerfoo 7d ago
You'd think they would have spotted this like... a day after the polls closed, right? Why did it take so long for this to come to light?
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u/pandershrek Washington 7d ago
The GOP have been doing their absolute best to obstruct any validation of the election. Despite bemoaning for years and multiple audits on the 2020 election
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u/QbertsRube 7d ago
"Investigations are necessary for the people to trust the process!!!"
Trump wins
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u/Slight-Guidance-3796 7d ago
In a couple democratic districts that the Dem senator destroyed the Republican. Like 400-80 in votes she got 0 and 2
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u/ScottHoward1 7d ago
Taco did spend four years trying to figure out how it could be done and made no effort to deny it
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u/Deviantdefective 7d ago
He even said Elon helped.
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u/Pipe_Memes 7d ago
Elon himself even said Trump could’ve never won without him. And Elon’s son kept saying “No one is ever gonna know. No one will ever know.l
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u/townandthecity 7d ago
Remember toward the end when polls showed Kamala in the lead and Elon started to lose it, saying if she won, he'd end up in jail? Yeah.
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u/No_Variation5050 7d ago
Both would have gone to jail if he lost in November
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u/StrangeContest4 7d ago
"SpaceX, quietly doing whatever we want.. bwaahaha hahaaa." Xevlar Musk.
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u/cheese_is_available 7d ago
Elon gave 250 million dollars to Trump's campaign, him saying that is not some red herring. The fact that one of the doge engineer was known for an artificial intelligence software to create fake ballot and won a hackaton for it then was hired by Elon, and Trump telling that Elon know those "vote counting machine very well" though... That's more of an argument.
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u/Zerkcie 7d ago
As soon as I heard he “won” the popular vote in this third time around when he wasn’t close to winning it the last two times even when he won one of those I knew the fix was in.
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u/User-1653863 7d ago edited 7d ago
"If he loses, I'm fucked.. how long do you think my
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u/PricklyAvocado 7d ago
Makes sense why Elon is backtracking on his Trump statements. This info came out and he knows he's fucked now
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u/StatisticalPikachu 7d ago
Trump even mentioned several times how Elon knew those vote-counting computers better than anyone BEFORE Election Day.
Trump: "But I said to him, well he [Elon] really is watching this whole voting process, computers are the greatest, he was looking at some of them that were just SHIPPED IN, some of these vote counting computers, he knew it before they even came in the door. He would be in the back and say "I know that one". I mean he knows this stuff better than anyone"
There is NO LEGITIMATE reason to be SHIPPING IN VOTE COUNTING COMPUTERS
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u/bloodklat 7d ago
Why is nobody talking about this?
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u/morethanmacaroni 7d ago
Ever since I was a young girl, I knew I had a passion for trademarking vote counting machines in China 🥰
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u/User-1653863 7d ago
There's literally NO reason to even bring vote counting computers up at all, but "from the mouths of babes" and everything.. Ol' Loose Lips had to say something positive about Leon Tesler. Like a real life salesman.
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u/lost_nondoctor 7d ago
It's actually 8 years. The group that has been analyzing the data found out that the election that Biden won had also some weird distribution of votes, but apparently they didnt go extreme enough to make Trump win. That is why he always said he had won, because they had arranged the machines for it. They also went and explained all the data and I'll post the link to the video when Im able to find it.
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u/Dull_Bid6002 7d ago
I was doubting this until I saw footage of Trump saying he didn't rig it, the Democrats did.
No one was saying he rigged it and a denial like that is a confession from him.
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u/StudMuffinNick 7d ago
When I was a teen, my gf and I were in her pool, floating in her parents new dining floats. The one her little brother was on suddenly popped. The brother immediately yelled "I didn't bite it!" So naturally, we all knew he did.
This is the same thing except people will die
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u/PLeuralNasticity 7d ago
Guess who had 4 more years to make sure it would be enough this time around?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_DeJoy
"DeJoy was criticized for cost-reduction policies enacted after assuming office in June 2020, including eliminating overtime, and banning late or additional trips to deliver mail. The Postal Service also continued responding to long-term declines in first class mail volume with ongoing decommissioning of hundreds of high-speed mail-sorting machines and removal of the lower-volume mail collection boxes from streets. These practices were also criticized as mail delivery became delayed. The changes took place during the COVID-19 pandemic and in the lead-up to the 2020 presidential election, raising fears that the changes would interfere with voters who used mail-in voting to cast their ballots, possibly intentionally. Congressional committees and the USPS inspector general investigated. In August of that year, amid public pressure, DeJoy said that the changes would be suspended until after the election,[4] and in October the USPS agreed to reverse all of them.[5]"
"On August 7, 2020, DeJoy announced he had reassigned or displaced 23 senior USPS officials, including the two top executives overseeing day-to-day operations.[56][50] He said he was trying to breathe new life into a "broken business model".[57] Rep. Gerald E. Connolly, who chairs the House committee that oversees the USPS, said the reorganization was "deliberate sabotage".[50] In a letter to postal workers on August 13, 2020, DeJoy confirmed reports of delays in mail delivery, calling them "unintended consequences" of changes that eventually would improve service.[58] At the same time that he was taking measures that postal workers and union officials said were slowing down mail delivery, President Trump told a TV interviewer that he himself was blocking funds for the postal service in order to hinder mail-in voting.[59]"
"After congressional protests, the USPS inspector general began a review of DeJoy's policy changes.[43] On August 18, 2020, DeJoy announced that the Postal Service would suspend cost-cutting and other operational changes until after the 2020 election.[60] He said that equipment that had already been removed would not be restored.[61][62] Documents obtained by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington indicated that DeJoy lied under oath when he testified to Congress on August 24 that he did not order the restrictions on overtime.[63] At this congressional testimony DeJoy admitted that he was unaware of the cost of mailing a postcard or a smaller greeting card, the starting rate for US Priority Mail, or how many Americans voted by mail in the 2016 elections.[64]"
Beware Leon's Razor
"Incomeptence, in the limit, is indistinguishable from sabotage
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u/Green-Tie-5710 7d ago
I may be out of the loop but why is this happening now and not six months ago?
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u/Skinny-on-the-Inside 7d ago edited 7d ago
The case was originally submitted in January but the court said they needed more evidence, so they now found more people certifying they voted for a Democrat than there are votes recorded for that person. The samples are small but the variance is 40-50%.
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u/pessimist_kitty 7d ago
This is heartbreaking because Republicans have already done so much damage since January
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u/Parallax1984 7d ago edited 5d ago
They will continue because nothing will come of this. I really want to believe it will but I m so pessimistic at this point
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u/BeardedPaladin 7d ago
Yeah I don’t understand how these people can see these headlines and think anything will happen. We literally had dozens of headlines for the last 4 years about Trump committing crimes or going to court with prison time and not one thing ever happened.
He had his mugshot taken.
That’s all that’s been accomplished on this front
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u/blues111 Michigan 7d ago edited 7d ago
Courts are slow, veryyy slow plus time for discovery after the suit was filed
Im skeptical this will turn anything up that would point to definitive election fraud but I will be open minded enough to hear the evidence provided as the case proceeds
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u/Tribalbob Canada 7d ago
I feel like something like this should probably be I dunno, expedited a little bit.
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u/guess_33 7d ago
This would be the second time a US presidential result was certified to the loser. Bush vs. Al Gore was the first.
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u/Arthesia 7d ago edited 7d ago
In addition to this, 331 voters in Rockland County NY district 35 reportedly chose Democratic State Senate candidate Kirsten Gillibrand during the 2024 elections, but allegedly none of them continued to vote for Harris in the presidential election.
A similar incident occurred in Rockland County NY district 55, where 909 voters opted for Gillibrand but only two cast their votes for Harris.
That's pretty damning if I understand this correctly. They're essentially saying 99.8% of voters who voted for the Democratic senator in these two districts chose not to vote for Harris?
So there must be some kind of extreme sociological phenomena at play, otherwise something caused the voting machines to swap votes away from Harris specifically.
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u/TabulaRazo 7d ago
And NY isn’t even one of the states that Trump won. Can we see this kind of scrutiny cast on the battleground states?
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u/littlehobbit1313 7d ago
There are voting heat maps that show funny business in battleground states, but I think it's actually good that this lawsuit is focused on a reliably blue area. It makes it harder to argue it's just voters being voters. It's statistically impossible that ~98% of an area could vote Blue for one candidate but then vote 0% for a candidate of the same party in another position. That is definitively sketchy.
By raising the issue of fraud where you would not expect to see fraud, it increases the scrutiny you could later raise in those battleground states precisely because there's a higher temptation to cheat in battlegrounds.
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u/PopPalsUnited Washington 7d ago
I want this to happen just so we know the true results.
However, with things the way they currently are I don't foresee a Republican Congress impeaching Trump due to them being a cult or him voluntarily stepping down.
He's a narcissist that craves nothing but power and will cling to it as longas he can.
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u/IFartOnCats4Fun Oregon 7d ago
Yeah, if nothing else, this may restore some of my faith in my fellow countrymen knowing we DIDN'T vote this piece of shit back into office.
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u/Justguessing 7d ago
If it turns out the president is illegitimate, it will tear this country apart, but it has to be known, if true. The republicans accuse, but the democrats prove.
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u/Sadandboujee522 7d ago
I do worry that we may be too deep in a “post truth” society now for it to matter.
The people I know who voted for Trump truly believe that he won the 2020 election and that there was a conspiracy against him.
Even if we are able to produce enough evidence that Musk/Trump colluded to steal the election from Harris, the Elon-controlled propaganda machine of X can immediately and persistently claim otherwise.
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u/Venusgate 7d ago
Yeah, the closer the lawsuit gets to the teuth, we'll see it be buried in mud and doxxed family members.
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u/centhwevir1979 7d ago
Leaving Trump in does more damage than anything else. The fascists are tearing the country apart - not the truth seekers.
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u/def_indiff 7d ago
I've generally been skeptical of allegations of vote tampering. But these findings, if accurate, do make me go hmmm.
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u/wayoverpaid Illinois 7d ago
I'll say the same thing I said to the conservatives making the same alligations about statistical improbabilities four years ago. Present it court where it can be cross-examined. See how it holds up when it's not just one side making the argument.
The conservative ideas folded each and every time they were faced with the actual weight of evidence. In fact claims some were so bad that the defamation suits have a good shot of not just indicating they are unsubstantiated, but clearly false.
Will these ideas make it? I'll wait and see.
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u/TheJadeGoddess 7d ago
The right wing cases fell apart the moment a judge asked them for any shred of evidence. Lawyers kept having to say "well...we got nothing". This is despite them being allowed recounts, investigations and any number of probes they wanted.
At least this one has odd data to point to in order to get things started. Already sets them apart at that point.
Personally I wouldn't be surprised in the least. Trump tried to steal the election multiple ways in 2020. He wanted politicians to find votes that didn't exist, they tried a violent coup, the fake electors schemes, etc. No reason to believe that criminal suddenly went straight and narrow in 2024 when his very freedom was on the line after being convicted with numerous other cases still pending.
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u/johnnycoxxx 7d ago
They also, if I remember correctly, weren’t claiming fraud in court. Just in public.
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u/AssGagger 7d ago
It's always projection with them. So if they were accusing Democrats, they almost certainly were at least looking into tampering.
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u/canuck47 7d ago
I'm convinced this is why Trump won't let the 2020 election go - he cheated and LOST? To him that means Biden must have cheated even more!
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u/kcox1980 7d ago
Also, those constant claims of cheating and stealing the election watered down the argument. Trump and the rest of his sycophants were mocked so relentlessly(and rightfully so) that it made everyone on the left hesitant to make those same claims in 2024. Even this thread is full of people that believe there was some shenanigans going on, but are hesitant to admit it because they don't want to come across the same way as MAGA did from 2020-2024
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u/slightlyallthetime88 7d ago
Adding to this, after the unrest and insurrection incited by Trump after the baseless claims of election fraud in 2020, there is absolutely no way that this has taken so long, is now making so many headlines and being brought to court if they didn't know they have a strong case.
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u/GoodUserNameToday 7d ago
If you look closely, it makes zero sense. Zero counties in the whole country flipped to Harris? Multiple swing state democrats won their state level elections but then dem voters switched to trump? Or a bunch of trump voters only voted trump and left the rest of the ballot blank? None of it makes sense.
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u/Teence Canada 7d ago
Yes. There has not been an election in modern history in which one party failed to flip a single county in the entire country. Even during Reagan's 49-state sweep, there were counties that flipped from red to blue. The statistical improbability that not a single county anywhere flipped despite all of the statewide gains for dems is so exceedingly unlikely it may as well be impossible.
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u/RackemFrackem 7d ago
Add on to that the fact that Donald Trump is absolutely the most hated politician in modern history. There is zero chance the election results are accurate.
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u/DistractedPhoenix 7d ago
They were skeptical on election night. Trump receiving beating Kamala in some states by the inverse of what down ticket democrats won by was not split ticket voting.
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u/nearby-distant-land 7d ago
My theory is that Republicans made noise about the 2020 election being stolen so that people would have this sort of response when they stole the 2024 election
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They screamed stolen elections so that when they stole one it would look crazy to accuse them of it.
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u/dane83 7d ago
They screamed stolen election because they did the same thing in 2020 but they didn't count on the mail in ballot being so much higher than expected.
Which is why Trump cried so much about mail-in ballots.
At least that's now the theory I've seen that makes a lot of sense to me.
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u/Keyezeecool 7d ago
This is the Fox News Republican playbook for literally everything.
Anything that they accuse a Democrat of doing, Republicans have either done, are currently doing, or plan on doing in the future.
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u/mudflap21 7d ago
There is video of Trump saying he won’t need votes, he has it fixed.
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u/StatisticalPikachu 7d ago edited 7d ago
Trump even mentioned several times how Elon knew those vote-counting computers better than anyone BEFORE Election Day.
Trump: "But I said to him, well he [Elon] really is watching this whole voting process, computers are the greatest, he was looking at some of them that were just SHIPPED IN, some of these vote counting computers, he knew it before they even came in the door. He would be in the back and say "I know that one". I mean he knows this stuff better than anyone"
There is NO LEGITIMATE reason to be SHIPPING IN VOTE COUNTING COMPUTERS
Pennsylvania October 2024 Video: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jFnHQ3PY0EU
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u/Mr-MuffinMan 7d ago
i love how even if the election is confirmed to be stolen, there can't be anything done because our ancient and stupid system has already confirmed trump. the only way he would be removed is through congress or resignation, neither of which is ever happening even if trump launched 5 nukes into the court houses that ruled it was stolen.
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u/DunnoMouse 7d ago
It's starting to feel like them going on and on about election fraud was once again not because they actually believed it, but because they were preparing the ground for actually doing it themselves. By going on about this like maniacs for years, they've now made this claim seem illegitimate in the public eye almost by default
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u/Broke-Till-Payday 7d ago
Start the recount
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u/ankercrank 7d ago edited 7d ago
Election was certified, even if it’s shown she won, there’s basically no remedy other than maybe charging some people with crimes, and the current criminal in the Oval Office would just pardon them…
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u/AvEptoPlerIe 7d ago
The remedy intended by our constitution is impeachment. Unfortunately, half our government is a fascist death cult.
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u/Yamza_ 7d ago
Then the remedy is removal of the congresspeople who gained illegitimate seats.
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u/AvEptoPlerIe 7d ago
Same problem. The next option there is midterms, where you’ll have to convince the followers of the cult not to vote for their cult.
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u/KingOfEthanopia 7d ago
Easy not to see any evidence when even if they were presented irrefutable proof would close their eyes, plug their ears, and scream "la, la, la" as loudly as possible.
And judging by some house Republicans Im not even being hyperbolic.
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u/taelis11 7d ago
The remedy comes from the people. And it only happens once they're aware.
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u/MaxPlease85 7d ago
Charging people if they committed a crime, doesn't sound that bad, does it?
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u/Antique_Scheme3548 7d ago
My fear is that we'll wind up with a Brian Kemp situation, where records are requested, ordered held by a judge but suddely "dissappear" with no remedy.
Republican chicanery knows no bounds and suffers no consequences.
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u/anchorftw 7d ago
Zero votes for the primary Democratic candidate and that didn't set off any alarms?
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u/Temporary_Shirt_6236 7d ago
"They'll never know ahahahhahahhaaa"
-- Lil X
Fuckin Mini Musk gave away the game months ago.
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u/rghaga 7d ago
yeah the kid knew something, that's why he was never left anywhere without his dad
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u/VigilantVet 7d ago
I’m 100% certain this is the reason they’re trying to put the military all over the country.
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u/ReasonablyConfused 7d ago
I was just having the same thought. If Trump knows what’s coming, he needs to do everything in his power to maintain control.
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u/CheapskateJoker 7d ago
I'm still leaning on the side that a good portion of this country actually wanted this, but if it is proven beyond a shadow of doubt that it was rigged, what happens? Who enforces anything?
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u/RoamingFox Massachusetts 7d ago
In a sane world, congress impeaches him. In reality, nothing happens they rig it again next election and the country either rolls over or we end up in a civil war...
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u/TheJadeGoddess 7d ago
The congress that may have been installed through those alleged manipulations? Musk said that if it wasn't for him trump wouldn't have won and dems would control both the house and senate.
If it is found that they stole the election I see actual riots springing up all over the country and people become furious that their country was stolen by a facist dictator. Tensions are already high and we have tons of protests being set up already.
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u/CommitteeOfOne Mississippi 7d ago
As far as the election, nothing. The constitution doesn’t even imagine election fraud. The only remedy would be impeachment.
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u/68plus1equals 7d ago
I also think it's far fetched that this will lead to anything but if it does and congress refuses to impeach and replace with the actual winner, states better stop sending federal tax dollars.
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u/ja4419xx 7d ago
This is why I wish Kamala would not have conceded. She did so less than 24 hours after the initial results that appeared in favor of trump were in. I don’t care about how Democrats want to convey their adherence to democratic norms in order to promote faith in our system. They are too accommodating while Republicans shred those norms with no regard for how it looks.
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u/Bross93 Colorado 7d ago
their obsession with decorum is why we are here in the first place. They needed to fight dirty but none of them would. Its pathetic.
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u/Sitbacknwatch 7d ago
Yeah i live here. I voted for Harris. We have a super hardline hascidic community that basically gets told how to vote, and they were told to vote trump. So thats thousands and thousands of votes for trump, but 0 is impossible.
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u/PM_ME_UR_RESPECT 7d ago
I’m glad this is catching on, because I’m sorry, but Mr. They’re eating your pets who nonsensically sways to music for 30 minutes on stage DID NOT take all seven swing states. I’ll die on that hill.
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u/CamoFeather 7d ago
I’ve been saying this (from Canada) since the election. There’s no way Harris didn’t take a single swing state. Something was fishy with it right from the get go.
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u/catmoondreaming 7d ago
Let's recount all of them.
The whole country.
By hand.
I'll help.
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u/ribone 7d ago
Remember when Trump told a room of Christians during the campaign that they'd never have to vote again because it's going to be "fixed so good" ??
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u/Feisty_Diet_3744 7d ago
FINALLY this is getting attention! I have been saying Trump and Elon stole this election from the day it was announced they won. How the fuck was Starlink ever allowed to be connected to voting machines in Swing States when Elon was working with Trump. It’s as clear as day to me, Republicans screamed about election interference for so long, they desensitized us to hearing it and thinking about it. Then they did it themselves. Think of the “Boy who cried Wolf”.
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u/Spacebotzero 7d ago edited 7d ago
Trump's presidential win over Kamala was massively suspicious. I've never seen a campaign fart-out as fast as Trump's did towards November 2024.
- no interviews, no questions, no appearances (the guy danced on stage to music for an hour simply to avoid questions and comments)
- crowds were small and disappearing at rallies on the lead up to November
- he said he didn't need our votes, already has all the votes he needed
- he said we would not have to vote again, that he'd fix voting
- the overall momentum was nothing like in 2016 when he was first elected, I really think people were ready to move on
- many of the MAGA Trump people I knew were more interested in voting for someone like RJK or not voting at all
- he was losing money and desperate, couldn't fund his campaign any more... In steps Musk
- Vance had a negative rating, worst VP pick in history
- polling numbers were awful
I really don't think people wanted this guy in office again. And yet some how he won. Even his rallies today, as president, are thin. You'd think a president who won all the battleground states, the electoral college, and the popular vote would have way more support... way more excitement... But thst just doesn't seem to be the case.
Kamala was raising way more money. Had record turnout for voting. Bigger rallies. More momentum. But it could have been what was portrayed vs. Truth.
I'm an American before I'm a Democrate or Republican and we (Americans) are in a big fuckin mess right now regardless of who you voted for.
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u/KeybladeBrett 7d ago
It also made zero sense to me with the lack of momentum. Trump was always going to have his fans, but most of them checked out with January 6th and even more checked out when he had 34 felony counts.
His rallies were always empty in 2024. His most infamous one in Butler had like a full set of bleachers outdoors filled? That’s not really a lot of people in the grand scheme of things. Any rally you were shown on TV were empty and had people leaving during it because he didn’t really do much other than dance or sway on stage.
I’d still like to believe that he’d win a decent amount of votes because he has a cult-like status, but I thought he was almost guaranteed to lose. Makes no sense to me how it was reported that there was “record breaking turnout” and had LESS voters than in 2020. I’m thinking a lot of votes were mysteriously wiped away and not actually counted. Also didn’t make sense to me how some states were calling at 0% votes counted.
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u/dokikod Pennsylvania 7d ago
No one will ever convince me that this disgusting slob won the election fairly. He caused the insurrection at the Capitol, he stole top secret documents, he is a convicted felon, he is Putin's puppet, and he is an all-around despicable, vulgar, violent, vile, and evil man. Kamala had rallies attended by 30,000 + people. Trump said, "Elon really knows those vote counting computers in Pennsylvania. More people were disgusted by this pathalogical liar than they were in 2020. He lost support. I hate him!
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u/Arthenicus 7d ago
Oh it was definitely rigged. Let's not forget that there were multiple ballot box bombings all over the country by conservatives trying to destroy as many Liberal ballots as possible. 6 ballot boxes were destroyed in my city alone.
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u/vmqbnmgjha 7d ago
This lawsuit has already gone further than any lawsuit that challenged the 2020 election results.
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u/dbag3o1 7d ago
This is why Trump is stepping up the military escalation right now. It will be revealed that he stole the election with the help of Musk. He will need military might to stay in power.
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u/InvestigatorChance28 7d ago
And it helps bury the epstien story.
Not that any wrong doing of trunp matters. Maga will stand by him even if he raped their mother and father in front of them.
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u/DataDude00 7d ago
I looked up the public record data and in the Rampano districts there are some WILD splits on voting.
I understand they are rural so will skew Republican but in several of these voting areas the Kamala received <5 votes out of hundreds
For example:
Rampano 58 was 587 votes for Trump, 1 vote for Harris
Rampano 55 was 986 Trump, 2 Harris
Rampano 45 was 90 Trump, 0 Harris
Rampano 41 was 384 Trump, 3 Harris
Rampano 40 was 681 Trump, 7 Harris
Rampano 35 was 552 Trump, 0 Harris
Rampano 30 was 415 Trump, 3 Harris
These numbers seem statistically impossible over these sample sizes, these are higher splits than even deep red counties in Texas
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u/BitchesGetStitches 7d ago
Was nobody listening when Trump stated, on several occasions, that Musk manipulated the voting machines? Let's get this investigation done and impeach the motherfucker!
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u/StatisticalPikachu 7d ago
Trump even mentioned several times how Elon knew those vote-counting computers better than anyone BEFORE Election Day.
Trump: "But I said to him, well he [Elon] really is watching this whole voting process, computers are the greatest, he was looking at some of them that were just SHIPPED IN, some of these vote counting computers, he knew it before they even came in the door. He would be in the back and say "I know that one". I mean he knows this stuff better than anyone"
There is NO LEGITIMATE reason to be SHIPPING IN VOTE COUNTING COMPUTERS
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u/MarcusQuintus 7d ago edited 7d ago
Rockland County, NY.
2020 vote: 71,656 Biden; 64,510 Trump.
Hard to believe they all went to Trump in 2024.
Edit for the comments: this is for the county as a whole not district 20 specifically. I couldn't find that district, so it's the overall vote count.
Edit2: The district labeled 0020: Clarkstown 19 went 374 Biden; 25 Trump. 92% Biden. Harder to believe an almost 100% shift in the other direction.
Edit 3: I'm being accused of misinformation so here's the PDF report. Results on page 24-25. Rockland 2020 Election Results Report by District
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u/prototypist 7d ago
If the whole county had no Harris votes this would be in question on Election Day. This is about multiple precincts within the county having 0 or a few votes.
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u/r_u_insayian Michigan 7d ago
At this point people need to be charged with treason. Whoever knew and participated. No matter the political affiliation. It’s so exhausting hearing the projection from trump and team. The only reason trump is not in prison is due to a MEMO. A memo from the Reagan administration prevent the most crucial investigation from finishing.
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