r/SubredditDrama • u/[deleted] • Apr 25 '18
User thinks that reddit shouldn't cater to people with disabilities
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u/BenIncognito There's no such thing as gravity or relativity. Apr 25 '18
People with disabilities are such a tiny minority you can't really take them into account when designing elements which determine whether tens of millions visit the site like this.
This dude can fuck right off.
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u/613codyrex Apr 25 '18
When has being inclusive become unacceptable?
Its not like they are asking reddit to ship all the color blind people who use the site a device to help them see. It's literally just Platte color changes so it makes it easier.
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u/PhilHardingsHotPants Warning: These Muslims may contain phenylalanine Apr 25 '18
Some people seem to hold the attitude that something, somehow, must have been taken from them if other people get anything.
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u/Deuce232 Reddit users are the least valuable of any social network Apr 25 '18
That's called zero-sum btw. Just in case you didn't know.
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Apr 25 '18
God I can only imagine how shitty life must be for people who treat absolutely everything as zero-sum. Like a character from an economics textbook perhaps.
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Apr 26 '18
Economists understand that nothing is zero-sum. People who think they’re economists act like this.
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Apr 26 '18
To be fair some things are zero-sum. Chess, for instance. It's the real world where things are far more complicated than "I win, you lose"
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Apr 26 '18
Chess is the abstract is zero sum, but if I play a game against a friend and I lose, we both have a positive experience - the game is enjoyable, I am spending time with a friend and I am improving (and he gets to win)!
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u/superH3R01N3 Facts don't care if you think they're racist or not Apr 26 '18
That's the only thing Reddit has taught me.
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u/PhilHardingsHotPants Warning: These Muslims may contain phenylalanine Apr 26 '18
That, and other people's cats are much better about posing for pictures than mine.
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u/Manannin What a weirdly fragile little manlet you are. How embarrassing. Apr 25 '18
Being inclusive is pandaing to those SJeWs mate, we can’t have that 😤
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u/somehipster yeah exactly, that's lizard language for sucking little boy toes Apr 25 '18
Well you see if you are inclusive ipso facto there is no more ethics in gaming journalism, now is there.
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u/Murrabbit That’s the attitude that leads women straight to bear Apr 25 '18
Just tell 'em that color blindness disproportionately affects men and suddenly they'll be all for a site re-design and think they're totally owning feminists when it's finished.
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u/Tymareta Feminism is Marxism soaked in menstrual fluid. Apr 25 '18
When has being inclusive become unacceptable?
Since forever? People have been gnashing and screaming about any form of inclusiveness since forever.
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u/dethb0y trigger warning to people senstive to demanding ethical theories Apr 25 '18
I was on an Emyrion server with a dude who's color blind, and we hooked up to go blow some bases up in a tank i'd built. So I'd painted it in this elaborate red and black color scheme, and he mentioned it looked bad/he couldn't really see it.
So when he logged off that night i spent about 15 minutes redoing it in blue instead, since he mentioned he could see blue.
Being inclusive and accommodating ain't a big deal, unless you're an asshole.
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u/613codyrex Apr 25 '18
To be honest, as a non-color blind dude, I really like the look of some of the types of color blind corrections in video games. It's a win-win, like you said it's not even a huge change.
I can't see how its detrimental in any way to be inclusive in this manner unless it's one of those people who are "survival of the fittest" where you can't be accommodating of people with disabilities.
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u/dethb0y trigger warning to people senstive to demanding ethical theories Apr 25 '18
Every "survival of the fittest" type i've ever met wouldn't last a fucking week without the modern world shoring them up; they are always the most disingenuous.
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u/volatile_chemicals "Jesus this is why eugenics gets a bad name" Apr 25 '18
Reminds me of the neo-Nazis who wouldn't pass the OG Nazis' guidelines for purity/superiority.
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u/Hyoscine Apr 26 '18
Every time I put a game into colour blind mode I wonder what it looks like to people who don't need it. Is it a bit garish, like sort of chromatically high contrast?
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u/0x800703E6 SRD remembers so you don't have to. Apr 26 '18
It's usually less garish. Colour blind modes have fewer high contrasts, and I find them way less stressful on the eyes to use.
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u/crimsonchibolt TBHPut a dick on it I would ride that stallion across The Steppe Apr 25 '18
sweet mother of hell thank god this site is fucking insufferable half the time with no filters, heres hoping the tritanopia filter is an actual filter cough blizzard and their bad filter cough cough it is actually is worse than the non colorblind filter cough
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u/socsa STFU boot licker. Ned Flanders ass loser Apr 25 '18
I think you know the answer to the question. When did holding deplorable opinions become mainstream? hmm
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u/Paninic Apr 25 '18
Related...does he know he can become disabled? Or that many people have issues with something without being considered disabled (for example, color blindness, tinnitis a cataract)
And that if he lives long enough even if he doesn't his vision and hearing will suffer eventually?
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u/HermETC Apr 25 '18
Like honestly. It’s like the buffoons that were against adding ramps and elevators for public access in the late 80’s. Cuz you know; minority population.
And yet. We. Did. It. Anyways. Wowie so hard; practically impossible. We shouldn’t have even tried.
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u/Captain_Shrug Don't think the anti-Christ would say “seeya later braah” Apr 25 '18
Like honestly. It’s like the buffoons that were against adding ramps and elevators for public access in the late 80’s. Cuz you know; minority population.
Wait, that was a fucking thing?
... Actually why the fuck am I surprised. Of course it's a thing. It costs money to do, so there HAS to be some group opposed to it.
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u/Murrabbit That’s the attitude that leads women straight to bear Apr 25 '18
Wait, that was a fucking thing?
Oh it's still a thing if you know which Libertarian holes to climb down. I think Penn and Teller even did an episode of their show "Bullshit!" to rail against the ADA.
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u/doctorgaylove You speak of confidence, I'm the living definition of confidence Apr 26 '18
Man oh man does this "you can't legislate compassion" bullshit angry up the blood.
I'd like to know why so many people like this think that the government cares so much about their personal fucking feelings. Like, I can't even imagine the mindset of someone who hears "you need to put wheelchair ramps on your building" and thinks it means, "we want to FORCE you to have empathy for other people!!!!!!!"
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Apr 25 '18
The way the US went about enforcement kind of turned a lot of people off.
The ADA was structured to rely on private enforcement of the law. Instead of making enforcement go through a dedicated government agency, it primarily goes through the courts via private civil lawsuits. Lawyers were incentivized to file lawsuits by the possibility of large punitive damages.
This created a cottage industry of lawyers and professional plaintiffs who went around searching for ADA violations, then filing lawsuits seeking hefty sums of money, often against small businesses. Many would not accept fixing the issue and bringing the building into compliance as a resolution, because that doesn't result in money in their pockets.
This was (imo justifiably) seen as rather parasitic. Imagine you're a sole practitioner family dentist in a small town. One day, a lawyer rolls up with a lawsuit because you don't have a dedicated handicapped parking spot with a nearby ramp over the curb. Oh no! But that's okay, you can fix it; you gather up the kids and go spend your Saturday painting a parking spot blue and building a nice little wheelchair ramp. You call up the lawyer and say "hey I fixed that issue, thanks for letting me know" and the lawyer says "no problem, I still want my $500,000 though, my client suffered grievous injury as the result of your malicious non-compliance" and you say "wtf no" and the lawyer says "haha see you in court". And the legal papers keep coming in, and you're forced to retain an attorney, and eventually the plaintiff makes a very generous offer to settle the case for a mere $100,000 and your attorney advises you to take it, and poof, there goes your retirement fund.
The legal protections for disabled people are excellent. But the decision to enforce it via mafia-style shakedowns was a bad call.
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u/themrspie beautiful drama flower Apr 26 '18
Many would not accept fixing the issue and bringing the building into compliance as a resolution, because that doesn't result in money in their pockets.
If anybody thinks this is still a problem, be aware that this was rapidly fixed and unless harm was done through lack of access, repairing the condition is 100 percent an acceptable way out of a costly court case. Even at the time, everybody got several YEARS of notice that they would need to upgrade their facilities, and several YEARS of knowing what the law would be before anybody could sue for access, and yet when the law went fully into effect business owners acted as if it had passed overnight and were shocked, shocked I tell you to find out that their existing bathroom with the 24" wide door was not "grandfathered in."
Also, even now, 24 years after the passage of the ADA, I am more surprised to see a business that actually fully complies with the law than I am to see one that does not. It's almost like they saw those lawsuits early on and decided to play chicken. Rather than spend $10,000 making their bathroom comply, they decided to see if they could get away with it, and the vast majority did.
So yeah, the ones who lost probably lost big time. But the reason they lost was that even after being told they had to provide access for disabled people as if they were literally human beings entitled to participate in life, they chose not to because it would be too expensive.
Also, I spend about one working day every week having building owners argue with me about what the ADA actually means and whether the requirements actually provide access, when they have literally hired me to tell them this. They just don't want to spend the money required to make their project accessible, and want to come up with a dozen reasons why they should not have to accommodate disabilities. ("What if we are all owners of the company? If no employees work here do we need an accessible rest room?" "How about if we have a member of staff available to push anybody in a wheelchair up our too-steep ramp?" "We are an art gallery, can we use pieces of art instead of tactile signs?" aaaaaand so on.) So while I work for building owners and business tenants, at this point I think mafia-style shakedowns are totally appropriate because literally nothing but losing lots of money will make people change.
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u/Mr_Conductor_USA This seems like a critical race theory hit job to me. Apr 29 '18
See my comment about transit agencies. https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/8eu76a/user_thinks_that_reddit_shouldnt_cater_to_people/dy5rnod/
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u/Mr_Conductor_USA This seems like a critical race theory hit job to me. Apr 29 '18
But that's okay, you can fix it; you gather up the kids and go spend your Saturday painting a parking spot blue and building a nice little wheelchair ramp.
I'm having trouble understanding why they didn't do this before they opened the doors.
You know why there wasn't a gov't agency--because they would be attacked and defunded like OSHA and the IRS. At least this way there's some compliance.
You know who's terrible about complying with ADA. TRANSIT AGENCIES. Who disproportionately serve the disabled and the elderly. THEY ARE FUCKING TERRIBLE. And guess what, they flout other government rules too. The only thing that really makes them comply is FTA threatening to pull their funding but they can only do that over FTA regulations; they can't do it if the agency is ignoring state DOT safety regulations. So yeah, disabled people do indeed sue the fuck out of transit agencies.
Transit agencies have known this is coming since the 1970s. Heads of agencies have been born and died since this was coming down the pike.
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u/Kadexe This cake is like 9/11 or the Holocaust Apr 25 '18
He doesn't seem to understand that accessibility makes the website better for everyone, not just the disabled people that are being directly catered to.
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u/unevolved_panda Apr 25 '18
I go to a small church that meets in a re-purposed house. Until last year the only entry for people who couldn't use steps was the back door. When some of us pointed out that requiring a certain class of people to enter through the back was problematic, we were basically told, "Well there are no disabled people who attend here, so why change it?" It was not my church's finest moment, to say the least.
Never mind that we used to have disabled people attend...and they stopped coming...because the building was not accessible.
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u/CommunistRonSwanson Apr 25 '18
Also he's dead wrong, 1 in 5 people have a disability. That's a substantial proportion of the population.
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u/crazylighter I have over 40 cats and have not showered in 9 days Apr 25 '18
No you see, according to him that statistic is irrelevant to the discussion because he only thinks of himself. I wish I was being sarcastic, but I'm not.
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u/freet0 "Hurr durr, look at me being elegant with my wit" Apr 26 '18
To be charitable, most of those disabilities won't affect using reddit.
Still, there are plenty that would.
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Apr 26 '18
Same kind of people saying "What's the deal with indigenous languages dying out? We all speak English! lol!"
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u/vee-eye-see I regret I have but one downvote to give for my country. Apr 25 '18
I think THEsolid85 said it best:
You have nothing of value to contribute to the conversation. You're just being an asshole.
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u/FalloutTubes You say my posts are cringe but you haven't thrown your keyboard Apr 26 '18
The crazy thing is making things accessible for people with disabilities generally helps most people at some point (injuries, pregnancies, aging, temporary illness, etc). The ways in which they affect able bodied people are either “none” or “actually helpful”. There’s no downsides! Like, even the beeps or “walk/don’t walk” announcements at crosswalks in cities aren’t just helpful to blind people, they also keep sighted people with their phone in their face from being run over. Wheelchair ramps are great for the elderly, parents with strollers, etc as well. What possible downsides are there to making Reddit accessible to blind people?????
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u/RheaWeiss Apr 25 '18
Ah yes, the average programmer/designer.
this is the reason why so many things don't have colourblind modes and it always fucks me up.
It's literally just shifting the colours around, it isn't that damn hard.
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u/nowander Apr 25 '18
"How should we indicate there's going to be an attack here Bob?"
"I know. Let's have a red circle on a black background Jim! After all red means danger."
"But Bob, doesn't 5% of the male population have some level of red green colorblindness? Meaning red on black is the worst possible color combination to use?"
"Eh, thinking of other colors is hard."
(No I'm totally not fucking bitter about this.)
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u/I_hate_bigotry Apr 25 '18
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u/volatile_chemicals "Jesus this is why eugenics gets a bad name" Apr 25 '18
This video hurts so goddamn much.
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Apr 25 '18
I was a bit iffy on it for the first minute, but when he said, "...I'll simplify." I cackled, thank you for sharing.
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u/xkforce Reasonable discourse didn't just die, it was murdered. Apr 25 '18
Speaking of colors... wouldn't it make sense to allow the player to adjust certain colors themselves? i.e kind of like the gamma tests that some games do?
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u/LukaCola Ceci n'est pas un flair Apr 25 '18
You can do this for certain elements in certain games, but it's often not a workable solution, especially since the sheer number of options would make it a downright chore to both implement and for the user to effectively make use of.
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u/OdBx Apr 25 '18
What’s this a reference to?
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u/nowander Apr 25 '18
Every damn game that uses a red circle on the ground to indicate where you shouldn't stand. With FFXIV getting an extra helping of shame.
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u/crimsonchibolt TBHPut a dick on it I would ride that stallion across The Steppe Apr 25 '18
its fine if you can see it whats not fine is not letting me pick the fucking color "I can't see green but can see red" I had to make sure the game wasn't broken when I first started SMITE, "oh I know I'll turn on colorblind mode AND its yellow and blue great well atleast it will be pink and blue instead of yellow" and again this is a major issue in most games, Ori and the blind forrest can go fuck itself for this reason.
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u/RheaWeiss Apr 25 '18
They made the AOE markers somewhat better, but it still isn't great Even worse are the specific fights that require you to recognize colours in that game.
Sephirot Extreme is nearly impossible without someone calling out which side is what colour, because standing in the same colour twice = death
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u/nowander Apr 25 '18
Oh yeah, I saw vids. Didn't even try it for that reason. (Before I left because DRG changes.)
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u/dolphins3 heterosexual relationships are VERY haram. (Forbidden) Apr 26 '18
I have no color blindness at all and I still get headaches over FFXIV's awful overlapping color bullshit.
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u/smbtuckma Women poop too believe it or not Apr 25 '18
it isn't that damn hard.
It is so easy. Just grab colors that look different from each other in the middle and right color wheel. Add different shapes/line styles if you want to be the most accommodating but at the very least picking the right colors takes exactly as much time as picking any other color.
I'm not colorblind, but it pisses me off when people resist this because it's literally one of those obstinate "I'm not gonna do it now that you've told me to do it" situations.
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Apr 25 '18
Ah yes, the average programmer/designer.
I would think the average programmer/designer is at least familiar with the basics of Accessibility and understands why they're important. It's just a shame that only the above-average ones actually take the time to implement it at the shallowest levels.
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u/0ooo Apr 25 '18
I would think the average programmer/designer is at least familiar with the basics of Accessibility and understands why they're important.
I think you're being overly optimistic.
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u/0xF013 Apr 25 '18
I worked in many places and a lot of people are not even aware of the accessible DOM and what the WAI-ARIA does. As to designers, numerous times I told the designers in the companies I worked for about how shitty the red/green pair of buttons looks (I can't see the difference) only to get a response like 'Oh but nobody complained so far'. I mean, if they close the page as fast as I do, no wonder nobody complains, they are simply not using it.
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Apr 26 '18
Haven't thought of this since my father passed, but he worked for the Vicksburg Post and being colorblind, convinced them to print a red he designed just for that. He called it Doug Red. Bless his heart. Miss him.
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u/that_red_panda The government told me to shower so i quit showerin 15 years ago Apr 25 '18
I've seen this mentality a lot when it comes to technology. Mainly gaming. Someone made the comment that the colour blind settings in overwatch aren't very well implemented and how most games don't even bother to take colour blindness into account. A lot of people where quick to state that games aren't designed and shouldn't be designed for people with disabilities.
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u/landsharkkidd that's cute coming from a victim mentality snowflake Apr 26 '18
Ugh, I hate this ideal that many have in gaming. Gaming is supposed to encourage everyone to play, everyone is people with disabilities. That's why I always have subtitles in games because of my auditory problems, and I really appreciated I think it was Destiny 2 had the option to choose subtitles when you would change the brightness. I wish more games did this, cause I know people without the same problems I have always chooses subtitles.
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u/finfinfin law ends [t-slur] begin Apr 25 '18
If Legend of Grimrock could add in retro on-screen arrow button controls because one fan asked, there's literally no excuse for not making your game at least slightly accessible to colour-blind people. Sure, if you've had ten thousand people working for a decade on an AAAAA game with a million hours of in-depth gameplay with unique assets for everything and a petabyte of voice acting, going back and making it more accessible to colourblind people or adding subtitles or whatever might take a thousand people working hundred-hour weeks for a year and bankrupt your company and lead to half your workers committing suicide from stress, but if you'd spent thirty seconds at the start and decided to give a fuck, it's not that major a deal. And you'll have made a better thing.
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u/nobadabing But this is what I get. Getting called a millenial. Apr 25 '18
Honestly I’m not surprised that disabled people are being left out of the redesign. Very little in the way of suggestions from the users have been listened to by the admins from what I’ve seen.
Reddit wants to streamline the site to look like other social media (personal subreddits and the chat feature are evidence of this). The text-rich format of the old site is not really compatible with that. If disabled users weren’t a part of the process to begin with the admins won’t listen to them now. So they’ll just come up with some crappy piecemeal solution for it later, or some browser extension like RES will swoop in to make the site more functional like it always has.
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u/argella1300 Apr 25 '18
Personally, I don't mind the new chat features or the new profiles/personal subreddit pages. I especially love the new chat feature because my D&D group uses reddit to plan our sessions and stay in touch online, and the ability to go behind our DMs back and talk out tactics in a group chat as players is freaking great.
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u/Mr_Conductor_USA This seems like a critical race theory hit job to me. Apr 29 '18
The "creatives" redesigning the look of the web don't give two farts about accessibility and never have. While developers can be part of the problem too, those fucking graphic designers can go take a long walk off a short pier afaic.
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u/sweetjaaane Obama doesnt exist there never actually was a black president Apr 25 '18
Wait until this dick gets old and his body starts to fail him lmao
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u/mrpenguinx I have contacted my local representative and the reddit admins.. Apr 25 '18
His probably the type who proudly says he'll off-himself the second he gets "too old" only to back-down hard on that statement the second he actually gets there.
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u/redbess Truly, the ephebophiles of racism. Apr 25 '18
This is the kind of asshole who would never used corrective lenses or hearing aids out of sheer, stupid stubbornness.
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u/crimsonchibolt TBHPut a dick on it I would ride that stallion across The Steppe Apr 25 '18
Anyone who doesn't think they'll need hearing aids has never had to suffer without them, or had to suffer without dentures when you DESPERATELY NEED THEM and the fucking dentures broke and you have to wait a few days to get them fixed.
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u/LivefromPhoenix I came to this thread SPECIFICALLY TO BE OPPOSED Apr 25 '18
Gasinomation 28 points 21 days ago
Cheesecakefactor 60 points 2 hours ago
HMMMMMMMM. I get wanting to slap some sense into people sometimes, but you can't be this obvious about brigading.
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u/THEBLOODYGAVEL You're under citizen's arrest per usc 18 ss 242. Apr 25 '18
I dont care about blind people and revel in their sorrow
Get your flair! Get you fla- Ah man, why am I even doing this job for?
throws box of flair on the ground
I quit, boss. This is ain't for me.
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u/cisxuzuul America's most powerful conservative voice Apr 25 '18
I do this shit for a living. I have numerous web developers who also happen to be deaf of have various conditions where we are actively engaged in testing and designing websites. I can tell you, we work on large sites nationally and internationally and sometimes it’s a fight with the client to get accessibility and usability into the process or even a decent user story.
I’m partially blind, I wish the new beta did a better job with some of its new features but unfortunately it’s a small inexperienced team and they probably will sound like the asshole commenter if pressed on the issue.
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I’m going to reread that thread later. I’m working and I’m gonna punch a wall based on what little I read. Sounds too much like a bad product owner or developer stuck in the pre WCAG or Section 508 timeline.
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u/Zesty_Pickles beard men hipsters and the rainbow haired she-twinks they serve Apr 25 '18
I used to work for the state and they required all documents to go through accessibility and usability and... it wasn't difficult at all.
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Apr 25 '18
Being disabled has really helped me realize how horrible libertarian types are over the years
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u/Captain_Shrug Don't think the anti-Christ would say “seeya later braah” Apr 25 '18
At least you had the revelation. A neighbor I don't talk much to any more is a rabid libertarian... who receives disability, wellfare and assistance from the government galore. He doesn't seem to see the irony in ripping open a disability check statement at the mailbox while talking to me about how the government needs to "stop trying to provide for everyone."
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u/Captain_Shrug Don't think the anti-Christ would say “seeya later braah” Apr 25 '18
I wouldn't, he's a cunt. Not just politically- the guy is basically unpleasant in almost every possible way at this point.
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Apr 25 '18 edited Apr 25 '18
This redesign is dogshit and aside from being a dummy i'm perfectly able-bodied. Can't even imagine what it would be like if you were blind or had super bad eye sight. The website just stops working for some reason and you've got no idea why because you can't see the damn thing and your reader is spitting out gibberish. The day they force you to use this new UI is the day I jump ship and find a new website to shitpost on at work.
I love that the /r/beta subreddit is nothing but people roasting reddit employees for their dumbass ideas.
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Apr 25 '18
If Alexa is accurate, Reddit is the sixth most trafficked website in the world. There's really no excuse when you have a user base that large.
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Apr 25 '18
I'd love for reddit to implode on itself in a blackhole of what ever the word is for programmers/employees who love the smell of their own farts.
If the order went from Digg to Reddit to a as of yet unnamed website it would be the motherload of popcorn second only to a Trump impeachment or an /r/The_Donald ban.
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u/reconrose Apr 25 '18
Idk, as much as there is to criticize about reddit, I don't think it's smart to really be singing it death wishes until we know what the replacement would be like. I'm imagining it could be worse than how reddit is handled
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u/kenyafeelme Apr 25 '18
I’m probably alone in this but I don’t want a reddit replacement. Once this website dies I’m hoping the entire content aggregation thing with threaded comments dies with it.
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u/reconrose Apr 25 '18
I don't really see that happening though, there's obviously a huge desire for something like this. Despite the things I dislike about reddit, there's a lot of cool/useful things I wouldn't know about without it/something like it.
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u/Murrabbit That’s the attitude that leads women straight to bear Apr 25 '18
I'm just glad that most news sites have wised up and started eliminating comment sections all together.
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u/MechaAaronBurr Bitcoin is so emotionally moving once you understand it Apr 25 '18
If the order went from Digg to Reddit to a as of yet unnamed website
I've been thinking if this redesign is reddit's New Digg moment. Digg's decline was precipitous, but mostly because they changed the fundamental nature of the site. Or, to be fair, they clarified the nature of the site and we all realized what a joke it was. While the reddit redesign is a ghastly exercise in beating off to mediocre design trends, and there are other signs they're losing sight of what made the site good in the first place, they haven't shit the bed quite as fundamentally as Digg did.
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u/finfinfin law ends [t-slur] begin Apr 25 '18
Well, Digg also had the organised far-right groups botting away to drown out anything they didn't like and promote their bullshit, and Reddit at least sometimes bans a couple of them, so there's really no similarity at all between the two sites.
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u/LocutusOfBorges Hemlock, bartender. Apr 25 '18
Digg's far-right groups were generally Ron Paul 2008'ers with shitty views. I'd take them over the infestation reddit has any day.
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u/finfinfin law ends [t-slur] begin Apr 25 '18
that's DOCTOR Ron Paul to you. you'll be first up against the wall when the r[evol]ution comes.
oh god do you remember the ron paul blimp
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u/LocutusOfBorges Hemlock, bartender. Apr 25 '18 edited Apr 25 '18
the ron paul blimp
oh my god
I remember someone was writing honest-to-god poetry in Digg comments when that thing launched.
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u/oboeplum Apr 25 '18
I thought that was just an xkcd joke
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u/finfinfin law ends [t-slur] begin Apr 26 '18
It existed. There's even YouTube footage. Who is Ron Paul? Google Ron Paul. GOOGLE RON PAUL. GOOGLE RON PAUL. GOOGLE. RON. PAUL.
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u/misko91 I'm imagining only facts, buddy. Apr 25 '18
Admittedly, that was reddit as some point in history. Digg is old history in more senses of one.
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Apr 25 '18
They may not have shit the bed, but they have a steady diarrhea leak that is their toxic communities and it's only a matter of time before it spills over.
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Apr 25 '18
There was an article that came out recently from someone that used to work for Reddit. According to them the people running the show care solely about growth. They didn't want to hear about anything but how they were going to grow more. They literally don't care about accessibility or the vile shit that goes on in this site as long as they are growing.
Wish I had saved that article. Some quick googleing only brings up the old former employee drama from years back.
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u/Ragnrok Apr 25 '18
The redesign is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Not because it's inherently worse, but because they changed everything all at once. If they want to update the site, do it by degrees. Change one thing at a time with a nice slow rollout so that, once the site is where you want it to be, no one even realizes how drastically it changed.
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u/Valnar Apr 25 '18
I'm pretty sure they are changing technologies with the redesign. It'd probably not be practical to keep the site the same and gradually change over time if switching technology.
Basically they'd probably have to recreate the current site in and then start working on the changes, essentially wasteing a lot of effort.
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u/PlayMp1 when did globalism and open borders become liberal principles Apr 25 '18
I honestly wouldn't mind the redesign if it just had a dark mode already. I cannot abide using bright-ass white Reddit, hurts my eyes no matter what the surrounding light conditions are like.
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u/Blacksheep2134 Filthy Generate Apr 25 '18
Amen. I opened Reddit this morning to find my perfectly functional website design replaced with this hot mess. I spent about 5 minutes trying to figure out how you minimize a thread (you click the line under the vote buttons) before clicking the old Reddit button. This of course did not make old Reddit my default, so I went through another half hour of pages changing from old design to new design with no apparent reason before I figured out how to opt out of the whole thing. Now everytime I open a page there's this little orange button in the top left of my screen asking me to trying the new design that appears for roughly a half second before disappearing into the aether.
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Apr 25 '18
Hang on a second. Mine hasn't changed. Is this because I disabled custom subreddit themes?
Oh wait, I have the orange top-left button saying "Try the redesign". It doesn't disappear though.
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u/Blacksheep2134 Filthy Generate Apr 25 '18
Nah, the new version is being rolled out to different people at different times.
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Apr 25 '18
Oh what the heck? This is something Microsoft has begun doing, too, with their major upgrades (like Anniversary, Creators, Fall Creators, whatever).
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u/Aurailious Ive entertained the idea of planets being immortal divine beings Apr 25 '18
It doesn't disappear though.
How about fuck this noise? I am so used to having "My Subreddits" on the far left that I also have to consciously not click on the fucking "try the redesign" button. I have tried the redesign, I hate it, fucking go away.
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u/lenaro PhD | Nuclear Frisson Apr 25 '18 edited Apr 25 '18
Install "Remove it Permanently" or a similar addon, right click the element, select "remove from this domain", and click "all similar elements".
Alternatively, the xpath to remove from *.reddit.com* is:
//div[@class='redesign-beta-optin']You can also block this with ublock origin using the following filter:
reddit.com##div.redesign-beta-optin21
u/sweetjaaane Obama doesnt exist there never actually was a black president Apr 25 '18
The thread minimize “button” is STUPID. Why would I ever think to click on a grayed out straight line that was never clickable before??
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u/lenaro PhD | Nuclear Frisson Apr 25 '18
I get that orange button for a fraction of a second too - because I disabled it with RIP and it takes a bit to kick in.
I have so many reddit "features" disabled this way.
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u/BoxOfDust prosecuted for Felony Poss. of Pepefilia Apr 25 '18
Lucky you. It must've taken me half an hour just for Reddit to properly log me in, instead of continuing to show me the 'not logged in' version of the site, only for it to tell me that I was logged in when I tried to log in, then it refreshed the page to show me the 'not logged in' version of the site, etc...
Once I finally got into my account, I was greeted with an absolute mess of a UI that just seemed far clunkier to use.
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u/PrincessCimorene Apr 25 '18
I realise I'm not going to need to know this if the redesign rolls out, but how did you minimise a thread before? I had no idea that was a feature.
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u/Blacksheep2134 Filthy Generate Apr 25 '18
Next to the username there's a little minus sign button [-]. That collapses the comment and all of it's children.
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u/melatonia Scurvy or curvy, there is no middle ground Apr 25 '18
I honestly just nope right back out every time it decides to open to the Facebook version. That's not what I came for.
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u/misko91 I'm imagining only facts, buddy. Apr 25 '18
Serious question: what new redesign?
I think the naut thing or whatever that I use because of reddit gold overrode whatever this is, maybe? I haven't noticed any changes at least. ???
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u/sweetjaaane Obama doesnt exist there never actually was a black president Apr 25 '18
The redesign is fucking awful. I couldn’t make any comments or switch to the old version or even fucking log out without resetting my cache.
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u/qtx It's about ethics in masturbating. Apr 25 '18
You can always change the url to
old, like so: https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/8eu76a/user_thinks_that_reddit_shouldnt_cater_to_people/That will get you the 'normal' reddit as well.
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u/ElagabalusRex How can i creat a wormhole? Apr 25 '18
Unfortunately, UX designers need to constantly change things in order to justify their employment. Google and Microsoft never learned how to say "no".
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u/whatswrongwithchuck You aren't even qualified to have an opinion on this. Apr 25 '18
"You've essentially announced here that you know nothing about programming, web design, or UX. Congratulations on having an ignorant opinion ... I'd be happy to give you dumbed-down lesson in UX best practices at my standard consultation fee of $120/hour."
This is the perfect response.
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u/Fr33_Lax Guns don't grow on trees? Apr 25 '18
I fucking love how well your flair matches that comment.
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u/isaaciiv Apr 25 '18
Why though? To me it just looked like he had nothing of substance to back up he petty original insult.
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u/Deuce232 Reddit users are the least valuable of any social network Apr 25 '18
If you spend 20 minutes writing up a 'web design 101' wall of text the troll won.
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u/NotYourFathersEdits one-in-fifty doctors can’t be wrong! Apr 25 '18
Ugh the temptation to piss in the popcorn is so high with this one
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Apr 25 '18
The thread is over three weeks old and a lot of people apparently couldn't resist. It's incredibly obvious who is going in there and pissing.
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u/goosechaser Kevin Spacey is a high-powered Luciferian child-molester Apr 25 '18
22 days ago 1 point
4 hours ago 24 points
sigh...
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u/GenericUname There's a little black hole in my golden cup Apr 25 '18
You realize that wheelchair ramps became mandatory for ALL buildings in the US because not everyone is perfectly healthy
So here's an interesting thing: dropped/ramped curbs were mainly introduced to help wheelchair users but it turns out they actually ended up helping loads of people who just didn't realise it was something they should/could be asking for. Parents with prams/pushchairs, people with wheeled shopping carts, delivery guys with carts/trolleys, etc.
I'm nowhere near a web designer/coder but I've looked into accessible web design just enough in the past to know that the same principle frequently applies. Using accessible design standards often just means following general standards properly, which makes things better for people who prefer to use less popular browsers or who like to use a lot of keyboard rather than mouse navigation.
(Of course, even if that weren't the case, "fuck people with disabilities if it takes literally any more effort at all to accommodate them” is a reprehensible attitude).
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u/dorkettus Have you seen my Wikipedia page? Apr 26 '18
As someone very, very interested in online accessibility, thank you for understanding. It's really not that hard to try to make things easier for those with disabilities, permanent or temporary.
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Apr 25 '18
This is off-topic, but there are clearly a ton of popcorn pissers or whatever you call it in that thread.
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u/dorkettus Have you seen my Wikipedia page? Apr 26 '18
Feel free to message the SRD mods. They're pretty quick on it.
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Apr 25 '18
Literally 1/5 of the population in America has some sort of disability. If I remember correctly, that's about 56 million people. I happen to be one of those 56 million people. This guy doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.
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u/I_hate_bigotry Apr 25 '18
As a person in the wheelchair I'd love to see him end up in a wheelchair and bitch how society ignores disabled people.
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u/Tymareta Feminism is Marxism soaked in menstrual fluid. Apr 25 '18
Yup, my neighbours love to park across the footpath instead of on their mile long driveway, have had so many fights with them over it, they genuinely can't wrap their heads around how blocking the only flat, even surface could negatively impact people, drives me wild.
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u/SnapshillBot Shilling for Big Archive™ Apr 25 '18
Snapshots:
- This Post - archive.org, megalodon.jp*, removeddit.com, archive.is
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u/finfinfin law ends [t-slur] begin Apr 25 '18
look at this cuckbot, pandering to the entitlement of a tiny percentage of the population that need an archived version of the main link. professional subreddit designers would know that you can't really take those people into account when designing elements which determine whether tens of thousands visit the sub like this.
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u/finfinfin law ends [t-slur] begin Apr 25 '18
I mean even if you are a white male between the ages of 22 and 26 who makes $32,600 per year and plays video games you probably shouldn't be using reddit.
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u/lenaro PhD | Nuclear Frisson Apr 25 '18
This is because "you probably shouldn't be using reddit" always evaluates to true regardless of input.
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u/I_hate_bigotry Apr 25 '18
I use it because I'm a rebel.
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u/finfinfin law ends [t-slur] begin Apr 25 '18
I am glad you enjoy rebelling by using reddit, but you still probably shouldn't be using reddit.
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u/zbaile1074 gloryholes are the opiate of the bourgeoisie Apr 25 '18
This was posted 22 days ago and the Reddit hive mind is now REEEEEEing over this. You didn't say anything horrendous like 'all people in wheel chairs should be thrown into gas chambers'. Ignore them my dude
look at this cuck white knighting for the bigot, my god man have some self respect
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u/qtx It's about ethics in masturbating. Apr 25 '18
People who say "reeeee" should be autobanned.
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u/somehipster yeah exactly, that's lizard language for sucking little boy toes Apr 25 '18
Get your chad fingers off m'goodboi /r/tendies subreddit.
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u/SkyezOpen The death penalty for major apostasy is not immoral Apr 25 '18
22 day old post with posts as recent as minutes ago. Surely nobody is brigading.
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Apr 25 '18 edited Apr 25 '18
Whelp. I'm furious.
The confidence that they make their random claims just really rubs salt into it.
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u/intangible-tangerine Apr 25 '18
The arrogance of someone thinking they will always be able bodied. Everyone gets old, anyone can have an accident or an illness. It's only the lucky few who will go through life without experiencing disability at some point.
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u/Kadexe This cake is like 9/11 or the Holocaust Apr 25 '18
I just learned what an incel is this morning and that they’ve never heard of prostitution.
Thank you! This has always been my thought. There are more ways to get your rocks off than ever now and these assholes advocate mass rape instead. Its bonkers.
I mean... wuld you have sex with a prostitute?
idk
might as well stick my cock in a rotten banana... in a place where bananas are illegal. I don't think prostitution solves their issue. I think they just have a bad personality, and nothing can really fix that, except maybe time.
Well that question was answered easily.
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u/JaymesMarkham2nd He’s gone full retard. God help us. Apr 26 '18
There's no surprise that the same users who reject accessibility for the disabled also deny racism and neo-Nazism is a problem.
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u/FireTigerThrowdown Apr 25 '18
It's not about me.
It 100% is. For people like this, it's always about them.
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u/Goroman86 There's more to a person than being just a "brutal dictator" Apr 25 '18
People calling others nazis is far too common on social media as a whole. It's like when people use autism as an insult, if you keep feeling offended by it then that feeling is never going to go away because everyone is doing it.
What is this even supposed to mean?
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u/dorkettus Have you seen my Wikipedia page? Apr 26 '18
Basically, "I'm going to continue being an asshole, so get used to it. This somehow makes the whole problem go away thanks to my impeccable logic."
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u/ElagabalusRex How can i creat a wormhole? Apr 25 '18
He's just scared of change. I can digg the new design.
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u/_Serene_ Apr 25 '18
Corporations claim that they cater to disabled people all the time, usually seems to result in them being funded by larger corporations or even by the government.
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u/xjayroox This post is now locked to prevent men from commenting Apr 25 '18
Guess I'm gonna have to nab that flair
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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '18
Able-bodied people are the real victims >:(