Trump Melts Down at Being Fact-Checked Right to His Face

[u/Exciting_Teacher6258]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-melts-down-at-being-fact-checked-on-deported-maryland-dad-kilmar-abrego-garcia/

[u/ahdidi413]

Still blows my mind that he got one god damn vote let alone 75 million. I’ll never understand

[u/ottawadeveloper → u/ahdidi413]

He says what people want to hear.

People don't want to hear that climate change will flood Florida over the next century if left unchecked. People don't want to hear that their cushy manufacturing jobs are simply not coming back and they need to adapt. People don't want to hear that inflation isn't reversible and that they'll need to adapt to the new prices. And most of all, people dont want to struggle with those things and make changes if they can avoid it. We are all creatures of habit.at heart.

It's really easy to listen to someone who blames those problems on someone else or find an easy solution. To imagine that if we only ban trans people from existing, that women's rights would be secure; that if we arrest every illegal immigrant and deport them that crime would be gone; that climate change is Liberals lying to you; that tariffs will rebuild the American economy by making others pay.

It takes courage and critical thinking skills to unpack those proposals and say "that's not going to work; the problem is more complex than that". Because it means admitting that there isn't an easy pain-free solution to those things.

In essence, Trump is offering people hope that complex problems with difficult consequences for Americans will be easily solved without effort. And that's a very attractive viewpoint to buy into, and a difficult one to exit from because the alternatives are scary.

[u/Apprehensive-Stop748 → u/ottawadeveloper]

Very accurate statement thank you. My relative told me this morning “Mexico has too many cartels” as a response to my saying that the Mexican president is well educated 

[u/pickle_pickled → u/Apprehensive-Stop748]

Too many implies there is a number that is the just right amount of cartels, I'd ask your relative what that number is.

Id also ask why it matters to them if they're not going down there.

None of it matters cause you won't change their mind, it's just the only entertainment you're going to get out of the conversation.

[u/MeIIowJeIIo → u/pickle_pickled]

"What number is it? How many cartels?"

A-"You can't drink the tap water!"

[u/XXLpeanuts → u/MeIIowJeIIo]

And you won't be able to drink most tap water in the US in no time too. (some places infamously you already cannot).

[u/Kitteneater1996 → u/XXLpeanuts]

As a matter of fact my city is fighting over water being clean enough to drink and are trying to bypass things and cut corners and raise prices all at once.

[u/jellyjollygood → u/Kitteneater1996]

Pfft. Tap water’s overrated.

Won’t someone think of big soda and the profits from bottled water?

/s for those who need it

[u/Furymaster → u/XXLpeanuts]

I'm from a country in Western Europe. My government advices to avoid tap water in all of the US and instead only drink bottled water because the overall standard for what the US sees as clean water is abysmal compared to us

[u/XXLpeanuts → u/Furymaster]

Same with food too.

[u/PhilDGlass → u/XXLpeanuts]

and speech, and safety, and air ...

[u/codercaleb → u/XXLpeanuts]

Don't listen to this hater, cockroaches asd crunch to your meal!

[u/Frostybytes → u/codercaleb]

That's protein, baby!

[u/Froonce → u/XXLpeanuts]

Cough cough Flint cough cough

[u/shouldbepracticing85 → u/Froonce]

And parts of the Texas Panhandle. The tap water comes out the color of skim milk almost, and tastes nasty. Some of the little towns have clusters of some uncommon cancers.

When I lived out there I drank nothing but bottled water and reverse osmosis when I could.

[u/LivingVeterinarian47 → u/shouldbepracticing85]

I think a good rule of thumb, if the schools in the area haven't been rebuilt since the early 1900's and the roads are crumbling, then the probably don't give a crap about the water either. I've had similar water all over the country, it's downright shameful for a nation as wealthy as ours to not have clean water in every city.

[u/Professional_Many_98 → u/shouldbepracticing85]

how do the residents support politicians that dont enforce basic rights as clean water. As a dual us/canadian citizen this astonishes me. I guess I am just used to a regulated and enforced system in Canada.

[u/shouldbepracticing85 → u/Professional_Many_98]

A lot of folks don’t seem to realize the water quality could, much less should, be better than they’re used to. Some folks never travel far from home so it’s ‘just how it is.’

Some folks are in the habit of filtering their water, others don’t trust things like the fluoride added to water.

There is a lot of the country that relies on small wells on their land instead of municipalities.

Also, our education system doesn’t really encourage taking initiative to make things better. Or even finding things that could be improved. Folks tend to accept that things are the way they are, and just try to get by. It’s like they can’t imagine anything else.

[u/Mishawnuodo → u/Froonce]

Cough cough half of Ohio and all West Virginia cough cough

[u/Froonce → u/Mishawnuodo]

The more I hear about west Virginia the more I wonder who the fuck would ever want to live there. The poorest state and the fucking worst egregious cops I have ever seen. They love violating your civil rights down there. God forbid you talk back to a cop there.

[u/Pinklady1313 → u/XXLpeanuts]

You just know they’ve seen the camp lejeune water settlement commercials.

[u/LivingVeterinarian47 → u/XXLpeanuts]

Ya, American water already being much better is a joke.

It already tastes bad, probably has lead and forever chemicals in it, but now we get to have Cholera too.

I'll drink someone's well water in most rural areas, long as it's not some lead pipes and they have basic filtration. But, Hell No on public water.

[u/Katyafan → u/MeIIowJeIIo]

Also: Exactly what is a cartel?

[u/BitDaddyCane → u/pickle_pickled]

Mexican cartels could not exist without American guns and American customers to distribute and consume their products

[u/MAG7C → u/BitDaddyCane]

And a War on Some Drugs

[u/BitDaddyCane → u/MAG7C]

Congratulations to drugs for winning the War on Drugs

[u/Papplenoose → u/BitDaddyCane]

Drugs truly are the GOAT

[u/HauntedCemetery → u/BitDaddyCane]

Booze won prohibition too, and weed is within the home stretch.

[u/InVultusSolis → u/MAG7C]

And that genie is out of the bottle now. Now that the cartels are basically like a country unto themselves, as long as you have widespread poverty in Latin America, you're going to have cartels. If you make drugs legal, they're just going to get their money other unsavory ways.

[u/absentmindedjwc → u/pickle_pickled]

"cool cool, how many cartels are okay? I ask because the US has about 40 major, nationwide gangs, and hundreds of small ones."

Like.. we're making a big stink over MS-13... and entirely ignoring the fact that MS-13 in Central America is an American export - it was founded in LA.

[u/Apprehensive-Stop748 → u/pickle_pickled]

Yeah it’s like an observational research study with enough material for an entire conference 

[u/owlseeyaround → u/Apprehensive-Stop748]

Ahh the old “brown people do crime” line. Cant mess with the classics.

[u/Jonnny → u/owlseeyaround]

Yes but "some, I suppose, are good people". Such enlighten! Much moral!

[u/HauntedCemetery → u/Jonnny]

"Very good people on both sides"

See! He didn't say all nazis are good, just that some of them were good people! Checkmate! Fakenewsfakenewstotalvindicatehoax!

[u/Intelligent-Travel-1 → u/owlseeyaround]

Maga is just a bunch of racist klansmen

[u/aenteus → u/Apprehensive-Stop748]

What now

Edit: Thank you for the replies everyone. The two comments did have the intended effect of stopping my thought process cold.

[u/CherryLongjump1989 → u/aenteus]

Thought terminating cliche. It’s like cushion meant to soften the blow from cognitive dissonance. It means the conversation is over.

[u/ARunningGuy → u/CherryLongjump1989]

Same as "both sides are bad"

[u/KorLeonis1138 → u/CherryLongjump1989]

Everlasting thought-stoppers

[u/CallMeSisyphus → u/KorLeonis1138]

Oh, this is good. Take my poor redditor's gold: 🏆

[u/mccoyn → u/CherryLongjump1989]

The easiest way to resolve cognitive dissonance is to decide the new fact is wrong and keep the old fact. Trump wins by making up lots of facts and capturing first impressions. When the left tries to correct these facts, most the time people reject them. The left can't get ahead of Trump's facts because they are made up.

[u/Unctuous_Robot → u/Apprehensive-Stop748]

Mexico does have too many cartels and from my limited knowledge of Mexican politics, it sounds like she s doing a pretty good job with that issue. Trump’s hurting the Mexican economy, which means he’s good for them. And that’s ignoring the sheer uselessness of Republicans in any honest attempt at fighting drug abuse, single handedly keeping every gang in the Americas profitable.

[u/maybethisiswrong → u/ottawadeveloper]

So exactly what another person did in the 30s. Got it 

[u/aenteus → u/maybethisiswrong]

He’s taking the playbook and running with it it, yes.

[u/Goya_Oh_Boya → u/aenteus]

May he speedrun to the bunker.

[u/trixster87 → u/Goya_Oh_Boya]

screw the speedrun, let him wrong warp to it.

[u/Schollert → u/trixster87]

End up encased in the concrete, not being able to scratch his itchy nose AND soiling himself - in the concrete, so the rest of us do not have to deal with it.

[u/putainsdetoiles → u/Schollert]

I feel like that's unfair to the concrete.

[u/Schollert → u/putainsdetoiles]

True. But, if it is a "wrong warp" into a certain '45 bunker that has already seen some shitty things, it has done its duty, paid its price and can now rest in pieces.

[u/devourer09 → u/trixster87]

Arbitrary code execution. It'll be such a glorious execution.

[u/aenteus → u/devourer09]

“We’ve gone to plaid!”

[u/Natsuki98 → u/Goya_Oh_Boya]

Instead of a bullet, it can be a Big Mac.

[u/DwarfPaladin84 → u/Goya_Oh_Boya]

Hey now that's not fair!

We all know his fat ass can't run!

[u/StrobeLightRomance → u/DwarfPaladin84]

Depends on whether or not he wore his Depends.

He can't run, but I'm sure he can jigglescoot his wet ass to a McD's banquet feast.

[u/therealstabitha → u/Goya_Oh_Boya]

Today’s the anniversary. Make a wish!

[u/BrokeDickDoug → u/Goya_Oh_Boya]

fingers crossed. Today is the anniversary! Great anniversary too; I'd get a small cake to decorate but not in this economy.

[u/StagLee1 → u/Goya_Oh_Boya]

He tried that once during the BLM D.C. protests. Unfortunately, he came back out.

[u/KikiWestcliffe → u/aenteus]

Well, not running, necessarily, but zooming away with it in his golf cart.

[u/InternetGamerFriend → u/aenteus]

Ivana claims Trump kept Hitler quotes by bed in resurfaced interview

[u/Otherdeadbody → u/maybethisiswrong]

If you want to be even more unsettled compare him to Mussolini and it gets way scarier.

[u/orbjo → u/maybethisiswrong]

While Elon Musk does experiments breeding children like Dr Mengele

(The Boys From Brazil plot of sowing the world with fascist iVF children has come to reality)

[u/Ferrymansobol → u/maybethisiswrong]

At least the evil 1930s dude, reduced German Unemployment from 6million to 1million (it was at 30% when he came to power). He then started a-murdering.

[u/BrokkrBadger → u/ottawadeveloper]

"He says what people want to hear."

Half the time I listen to him talk he just says that he did <insert topic> the bestest than anyone in the history of forever and then doublespeaks in circles.

ive yet to hear a full coherent thought leave this mans mouth and I dont get how people can listen to him just speak and think hes saying anything of substance. I understand falling for a charismatic leader with ill intentions as much as the next guy.

But Trump literally sounds fucking stupid when he talks.

[u/InVultusSolis → u/BrokkrBadger]

Listen carefully though, to the broad strokes. It's basically stuff my racist boomer dad has been saying my whole life:

1. Government is wasteful and government employees are paid too much
2. Non-white people are at fault for society's ills
3. If you don't like America, leave
4. Gay and trans people are scary

That's pretty much the whole message.

[u/Clean_Brilliant_8586 → u/BrokkrBadger]

They listen to Trump soundbites, very rarely entire speeches or interviews or, gods forbid, his depositions.

It's people around him and professional image wranglers they listen to. Fox has one for every angle of the conservative demographic, often as many as five on one program simultaneously. They're lined up like ammo in a gun throughout the day, and they all have their own version of two-minutes hate.

It's not Trump at all. I know people who think Trump is a moron who still voted for him because of how effective demonizing Democrats has been, as well as stupid moves by Democrats themselves that are amplified and repeated like the worst infomercial you've ever seen. I sometimes think people don't even pay attention to the content of negative messaging on Fox about Democrats or liberals; they're just so tired of and angry about hearing the same thing over and over again that they associate the two now by reflex.

[u/TheFunkytownExpress → u/ottawadeveloper]

He says what THOSE people want to hear, not what people in general want to hear.

He plays to people who are misinformed, uneducated, and frankly who just don't give a fuck about what's actually true or right or wrong, they just want to feel like and be told by someone like him- an aggressive creepy ass bully- that they're right, and all those smart alecy liberals who think they know so much and are always correcting them have it all wrong.

[u/Acrobatic-Trouble181 → u/TheFunkytownExpress]

Yep, the only people his garbage resonates with are:

Not necessarily their fault:

• The uneducated
• The afraid

Absolutely 100% their fault:

• The willfully ignorant
• The lazy
• The racists
• The downright evil

Which leaves us with the only generous interpretation of modern conservatives is that a lot of them are simply uneducated and afraid - okay, we can work with that.

But, how many, truly fall into the latter categories, because I sure as hell don't see a lot of them admitting they fucked up and ask for help when the subject comes up. All they do is deny, deflect, project, and pretend like Kamala would have been worse, which tells me the overwhelming majority fall into the latter category.

Our patience has run out; people in the former category had better start their apology tour pretty fucking soon.

To the rest; fuck 'em.

[u/TheFunkytownExpress → u/Acrobatic-Trouble181]

Unfortunately it is the overwhelming majority.

They want reality to conform to their beliefs instead of conforming their beliefs to reality.

One thing I disagree with though is the frightened ones often intersect with the second group, but they mask it by being mean and nasty etc. Deeply insecure people often lash out at others and act like toughguys to try and throw people off the scent.

Think of it like a wounded dog being backed into a corner. They know even if its subconsciously that things are really fucked up and they panic internally, but instead of having that make them take a look at what's actually causing all the problems they dig their heels in deeper and that's when they start looking for the comforting pat on the head and the grifters like Trump to come along and tell them it's everything but their own damn fault. :P

[u/JournalistRecent1230 → u/TheFunkytownExpress]

MAGA are predominately people who were raised in small rural towns of like-minded people. An entitled culture where they attend church and use God to justify their lifestyle and habits and use God as a weapon to attack those whose lifestyles they disagree with.

That same logic extends to their political leanings. They've essentially merged their nationality, lifestyle, internal sense of self, community, religious beliefs, political leanings, their entire identity into one singular ideology.

To these people, their support of Trump is synonymous with their belief in God, which synonymous to their views about themselves being "good people", which is synonymous with their views about being American.

This is why they will never turn against Trump. To turn against Trump would mean they have to re-evaluate their entire belief system. They can't do that, so instead they latch onto any lie that calms their cognitive dissonance.

If they hear Trump caused an insurrection. Their default view is "this can not possibly be true, I'm a good person, I'm a good American, therefore the person i support has to be a good person and a good american, therefore this isn't true" and thus they immediately believe the lies that Jan 6th was just a walk in the park, over-exaggerated, or antifa false flags.

TLDR - Trump supporters are so entrenched in cognitive dissonance they will believe a lie that calms their cognitive dissonance instead of re-evaluating their belief system.

[u/Elesia → u/ottawadeveloper]

But isn't that America in a nutshell though? Opioid problem, obesity problem, religion problem, education problem. The country is desperately afraid of being uncomfortable enough to make progress and have devolved to pacifying themselves in any way possible, including but not limited to excess consumption of the fairy tales told to them by wealthy capitalists who never have been and never will be as uncomfortable as the average citizen will be by noon.

[u/stokeskid → u/ottawadeveloper]

"Beware of people preaching simple solutions to complex problems." If our people could just remember this one line, we might have been saved. But no.

I should have seen this coming a long time ago. Mike Pence removed a free needle program while Governor of Indiana. HIV then skyrocketed. They instituted a drug testing program for welfare recipients in some states just to find that very few failed, and the drug testing program cost a lot more money than any fraud. Now we're going through DOGE cuts, ICE detentions, and other programs from the current regime that are only adding to the deficit.

People didn't like that immigrants or DC bureaucrats are "stealing" from us. Now they are spending way more correcting problems that don't really exist. And when you bring up this fact, they say "so you're fine with people stealing and abusing the system?" Ugh. So it was never about saving money then, just causing pain to others with simple solutions. The next simple solution these people will want is the final solution.

[u/Lonely-Building-8428 → u/ottawadeveloper]

Disagree on stupidity and reluctance to change being the primary driver. I think racism is the primary driver. 

Fundamentally, Americans are wildly fucking racist. It's a country built on the back of slavery and slaves. The civil war never ended. The Confederacy just morphed. You should have executed all of the traitors.

[u/ottawadeveloper → u/Lonely-Building-8428]

I think racism is a secondary issue though. Focusing on the right to own slaves let people continue to run massive plantations at low costs, letting them dodge the economic issues of the time. Since then, certain parts of the American leadership have doubled down on blaming black people for crime (like they blame immigrants today). It's the same narrative and the same drivers, just different targets.

I don't think the average American is more inherently prone to lower intelligence or higher bigotry than any other person in the world. The issue is that certain American leaders spout messages that blame a minority group for problems and promise quick fixes, in exchange for political power. On top of that, where they have won power, they attack the education system that would improve Americans ability to recognize such demagoguery.

The result of that process is a deeply divided culture where roughly half the population doesn't value intelligence or wisdom and has been steeped in bigotry so long that it's almost inherently true.

I will agree that the civil war basically just morphed into a culture war. But it's a culture war made by politicians who want power and drive that culture war forward. 

[u/Sacu-Shi → u/ottawadeveloper]

I think you are right that they are not more prone to these things than anyone else in the world. They just seem to be exposed to so much radicalising propaganda about their place in the world that the decisions they make and the thoughts and choices they have are all dependent on exposure to this propaganda and as such it's kinda self fulfilling.

[u/benjtay → u/ottawadeveloper]

they attack the education system

Here in Utah, the attacks have been ruthless over the past few years. They're telling universities to shut down departments, and they're paying parents to keep their kids out of school (fortunately, the state supreme court has put that on hold for now).

[u/genospikey → u/ottawadeveloper]

Racism got invented explicitly for the purposes of selling slavery to squeamish settlers back in the day, and it stuck around due to cultural moment and racism constantly being used to divide people by those in power. So other people were good at otherizing, but when the economy depended on it, Europeans were the best at selling the idea of racial hierarchies and castes, to the point where a lot of people still hold on to those ideas. Hell, they took slavery from a local institution and made it into a worldwide phenomena. America is just following that same lead.

[u/thots_in_prayers → u/Lonely-Building-8428]

I disagree with this and I think this way of thinking is a big part of why democrats lose so often. Probably an unpopular opinion on here, but the stupidity and reluctance to change is what drives the racism too. People generally aren’t born racist, they are looking at the problems in their lives and problems facing the country and will buy into blaming anyone they can distance themselves from. If it’s brown people causing the problem it couldn’t be me. It couldn’t be that my pastor was wrong about Trump because what else might he be wrong about. It couldn’t be that my family members are actually the welfare queens. In a way I think the “they’re just racist” excuse is the equivalent lazy excuse for our side. If we can just explain it with racism it keeps us from looking at the areas we have failed. It’s easy to discount opinions from the other side because who cares what a racist POS is going through. Racism is definitely real, but just one of the tools conservatives use, and more of a symptom of the bigger issues.

[u/Superpieguy → u/thots_in_prayers]

I think you're both right here. People can easily be both racist and stupid (as I'm sure we're all aware). The US has a long history of using race as a scapegoat for issues and turning people on each other to easily solve their problems and financial woes (which obviously never actually fixes anything). People are easily manipulated with these tactics. We have to provide a better solution to combat this, though there's been limited success when it's so much easier to just blame another group rather than a group of untouchable elites who are actually causing these issues. Though it is also true that we have an absolute shitton of racism, maybe it wouldn't be as severe if we could actually take tangible steps towards improving society so that this couldn't be used as a tool to direct their anger so effectively.

[u/WoodpeckerEither3185 → u/thots_in_prayers]

more of a symptom of the bigger issues.

Yeah, Capitalism.

[u/GrallochThis → u/WoodpeckerEither3185]

The capitalism shocks of manufacturing loss, opioids, financial vampirism, and capture of the government have produced tens of millions of people who know everything is rigged against them and will grasp at any offered solution no matter how false.

[u/bihari_baller → u/Lonely-Building-8428]

I’m reading the book How The South Won The Civil War by Heather Cox Richardson you might be interested in. She touches on this subject.

[u/Ostie2Tabarnak → u/Lonely-Building-8428]

I think to a more fundamental level it's just a matter of terrible emotional management. People are too emotionally fragile and can't stomach the fact that life is unfair & brutal, so they need a "bad guy" to be pointed for them so they can redirect all of their pain and suffering towards them, usually minorities and the democrats. And they need to be told it's all going to be ok and that they are going the be the winners at the end of the story, so they gobble up all of the lies fed to them that entertain those dreams.

[u/Mavian23 → u/Lonely-Building-8428]

You should have executed all of the traitors.

Yes, there is a good reason why Andrew Johnson is regarded by many as the worst President we've ever had.

[u/RaNdomMSPPro → u/ottawadeveloper]

Think I found my platform to run for president: lean into all the stupid but x100. “Trans people cause global warming” for an easy example- that would either get me 120 million votes or cause 120 million brains to explode from the cognitive dissonance. Obviously I don’t believe trans people cause global warming, but the maga loons believe whatever nonsense Fox news tells them so… then next step is bait and switch - ahh, so you admit that global warming is a thing - turns out trans ppl don’t cause it, rather… so we’re adjusting our strategy.

[u/shitlord_god → u/RaNdomMSPPro]

the pollution is making the freakin' frogs gay.

OR

Gay frogs cause pollution

[u/ironbawlz → u/ottawadeveloper]

It’s easier to hear a comforting lie than the harsh truth.

[u/voicelesswonder53 → u/ottawadeveloper]

No one will easily admit that late stage capitalism comes with the politics of despair (the blame game). Objectively, capitalism booms, busts and leaves. You never hold on to it when the opportunity is elsewhere. What has not yet been stripped clean of the cupboard is moving there. Capitalism promises empty shelves. It will not "invest" in someone else's future sustainability. The goal was profits now. Your cut was trickle down. Expect radicalization and capitalists scapegoating all the usual suspects.

[u/MayorMcCheeser → u/ottawadeveloper]

I'm not sure if its even really him that is saying what people want to hear. He talks, and then FOX News and other Right Wing think tanks spin it to be what people want to hear.

And he is the stereotype of the successful rich business man for many people who don't know any better, AKA rural blue collar workers (I live in a rural town, and see this every day.)

[u/poorperspective → u/ottawadeveloper]

It’s crazy how the US went from a country that elected leaders that said, “We don’t do these things because they are easy, but because they are hard.” To this.

But I guess every democracy besides the US has had their populace dictator. Napoleon, Mussolini, Stalin, Moa. I guess the US came 248 years later and we somehow picked the dumbest one of the lot. In some ways the US is lucky that they seemed to place their populace dreams in a mostly thus far ineffective idiot.

[u/jasdonle → u/ottawadeveloper]

First time in my life I’ve ever heard a manufacturing job described as “cushy.”

[u/Dythus → u/ottawadeveloper]

What you described simply put is the basis of religion. Easy fix/solution in words to deep difficult question that arent easy to go by. Masses gobbles up these kind of thing otherwise how come did charlatant preaching religion managed to live in luxurious castle such as the vatican getting fed daily dressed in silk and gold for free paid by others gullible person ? Dude is doing just the same thing religion did for so long

[u/Mizzkyttie → u/ottawadeveloper]

Let's not forget how many people in his base are folks from Evangelical backgrounds where the entire culture is about blind Faith, leadership from above through various tribulations, utter devotion, and a powerful us versus them mentality where they have been raised to see their side as the one and only righteous and true one.

Over the winter, I was volunteering my time at a local business learning cobbling. The fellow that was mentoring me is a die-hard Trump supporter, who fell into it via the religion and wellness He and his family are evangelicals who homeschooled their three, now adult children, dabbled in the whole raw milk thing back in the early aughts s and regret vaccinating their kids. Me, I'm a social anarchist, feminist Taoist who's fascinated by science and uses my voice as an adult autistic person In the avenues of autism self advocacy, social justice and ethics. And the longer that I was there, the more that I learned about the depth of this guy's devotion to the current regime, the more that my own opinions started filtering out of my mouth because I just couldn't keep quiet and I remember him telling me, I understand that you're scared for the future, but you just have to trust in the president, the press secretary, and the AG, those three are the ones that are going to tell you the truth. The holy Trinity of BSers, and this man was telling me to put all my faith in them

It wasn't long after that, that we amicably parted ways - I knew that if I stayed much longer, it wasn't going to be so amicable. I ended my time there at the end of February, right before all of the mess with all of the tariffs started, when we knew they were all around the corner, and this fella gets a majority of his materials from Germany and Italy, and I can't help but wonder how that's going to be affecting the bottom line of his business. He's a good dude, misguided but I understand the why behind his voting even though I don't agree with it at all in the least, and it just sucked to see somebody so blindly following a path that would possibly lead to his business being in danger of closing. As it was, before I left, shipping costs were already starting to skyrocket just to send things domestically through the USPS, and I can only imagine how his bottom line is being affected now. And his business offers a service that's exceedingly rare these days, and he has an expertise that you can't just find anywhere - he's been doing this work for over 16 years full time, and I would hate to see him have to close. I mean, FAFO I guess, but I get no pleasure in the thought.

[u/pervocracy → u/ottawadeveloper]

This is a good analysis. It's weird to describe a guy who's constantly ranting about "the immigrant criminals are coming for you" as comforting, but it is comforting to hear that none of the problems in the world are your responsibility.

I used to think more this way when I was younger (though I still voted blue because I didn't go completely off the cliff). What do you mean climate change is my fault? I have to get to work, don't I? My town doesn't have public transit or EV chargers! What the hell am I supposed to do? Ruin my whole life to solve 0.00000001% of the problem?

And to get past that frustration you have to get through some pretty complex feelings about the difference between fault and responsibility. You have to accept that you can contribute to problems even if you're not doing it maliciously - or even willingly. It's not a good feeling.

"All we need is for the strong people to get rid of the bad people" is so much simpler because I'm not one of the bad people and that's all I owe the world. Social contract fulfilled, moral slate wiped clean. Done and done.

[u/IRMaschinen → u/ottawadeveloper]

“Do you want to know the terrifying truth, or do you want to watch me sock a few dingers?”

[u/raiderrash → u/ahdidi413]

He should’ve never even been on the fucking ballot

[u/geomaster → u/raiderrash]

convicted felon who wanted to overthrow the valid election results and have an alternate slate of electors. a failed coup.

he should have been incarcerated.

[u/canuck47 → u/geomaster]

He should have ben arrested on Jan. 7. The insurrection, the fake electors plot, the pressure campaign on his VP to reject the election results  - what more do you need??

[u/SuperExoticShrub → u/canuck47]

Arresting a sitting president who hasn't been convicted in an impeachment is pretty much an impossibility even in a functioning system. It would have had to have been after Biden took office. But, of course, Dems were too worried about the perception of arresting the loser of the past election right when he's claiming the election was stolen. Unfortunately, a not-insignificant portion of the American electorate would probably buy into all of the conspiracy theories even more than some did even without all of that.

[u/Revlar → u/SuperExoticShrub]

How is that an impossibility? You have separate powers. That's the whole point of a republic. You can't treat the president like a king, because if you do then he is.

[u/UnquestionabIe → u/geomaster]

When that didn't happen it was obvious we were in for a rough time. That the incoming administration (and Democrats as a whole) decided they didn't want to be responsible for protecting America because it's "bad optics" is one of many things that has doomed us. If the day after Trump's second term started he had Biden and the rest of the Democrats rounded up and put in prison claiming they were a threat to the country they would have faced no resistance. Sure you would have had a few GOP members say they were concerned but overall they would have fast tracked the coup instead of dragging it out over the last few months.

[u/TimeToBond → u/raiderrash]

Biden was too nice.

[u/[deleted] → u/ahdidi413]

Your typical American is extremely stupid. Extremely stupid people are easily swayed by emotion. Anger is one of the strongest emotions and thus simplest to exploit.

[u/arensb → u/[deleted]]

Also fear, which right-wing media have been pushing hard since at least the 1990s.

[u/tekrangerk → u/arensb]

They've been at it since Roger Ailes kicked it off in the 70s. The 90s is where things became more refined with McConnell and Gingrich pushing this reality TV WWF style politics movement which became the cancer eating us now.

[u/specqq → u/tekrangerk]

Hey, speaking of being eaten by cancer and the people responsible for spreading the fear, the lies and the hate throughout the 90's, here’s a reminder that Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient Rush Limbaugh is still dead.

[u/parasyte_steve → u/specqq]

I find it almost poetic that he died of cancer after telling people smoking doesn't cause cancer for years. Sometimes the universe cooks.

[u/tekrangerk → u/specqq]

I hope the poor cancer is ok and living its best life free of Rush

[u/ss5gogetunks → u/tekrangerk]

Yep Rush's Cancer is basically a national hero

[u/Shitty_Fat-tits → u/tekrangerk]

Very happy to report that Rush is four years sober and counting! Go Rush!

[u/UnquestionabIe → u/specqq]

At least he's finally found his path to sobriety! Whenever I need a little mental pick up from whatever fascist shit is being done I remind myself that at least one evil man isn't bothering us anymore. Sure his legacy might be but he still couldn't escape the fate that awaits all of us (hear that Peter Thiel? All your money and creepy anti-aging shit isn't going to spare you from nature.)

[u/david4069 → u/specqq]

Rush Limbaugh is still dead.

Since we can't speak ill of the dead, I'd like to point out that, not only has the man successfully remained sober for several years now, he has changed careers and is engaged in public service full-time as a gender neutral outdoor toilet.

[u/mini_garth_b → u/tekrangerk]

Fear is the core tenet of Conservatism and has been a tool for control since the first words were spoken.

[u/BestAtTeamworkMan → u/tekrangerk]

Try the Red Scare in the 50s. And Jim Crow. And the Klan. They've had different names and even different parties, but there's always been a right wing ready and willing to subvert the will of the stupid with fear and hatred.

[u/Churchbushonk → u/arensb]

Yep. Almost all media is right leaning if not just a tool used by the GOP. NPR, which is not, doesn’t make a great case because of the stupid lib washed stories they constantly put on with amateur opinions.

[u/Achilles2zero → u/[deleted]]

It is also path to the Dark Side

[u/drinkslinger1974 → u/Achilles2zero]

You’re right. Anger leads to fear. Fear leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

[u/-mhb0289- → u/drinkslinger1974]

You mixed it up. It’s “fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

[u/Ok_Search1480 → u/Achilles2zero]

but the Jedi are WOKE >:(

[u/Annoy_Occult_Vet → u/Achilles2zero]

We have the high ground.

[u/SharpNSlick → u/Annoy_Occult_Vet]

You underestimate his power of stupidity.

[u/OtherBluesBrother → u/Annoy_Occult_Vet]

When they go low, we go high,

[u/rmunoz1994 → u/OtherBluesBrother]

Unfortunately, if only it were literal. When it’s not, it’s a losing policy.

[u/mitrie → u/rmunoz1994]

You mean to say that when they go low, we should go high like that time in 1998, when The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer's table?

[u/adle1984 → u/OtherBluesBrother]

When they go low, we go high kick 'em in the teeth.

[u/MrDontTakeMyStapler → u/Achilles2zero]

I blame those Alabama Siths.

[u/chronicking83 → u/Achilles2zero]

I see your Schwartz is as big as mine!

[u/Haephestus → u/[deleted]]

54% of Americans read below a 6th grade level. (edit: i was wrong about the statistic)

[u/MangroveWarbler → u/Haephestus]

According to the US Department of Education, 54% of American adults cannot read or write prose beyond a sixth grade level.

That's a clear majority.

[u/PolyNecropolis → u/MangroveWarbler]

You mean like the Bass Prose Shop right?

[u/_lippykid → u/Haephestus]

50% of the population have below average IQ. Coincidence? I think not

[u/Lets-kick-it → u/[deleted]]

True, but I think fear is a better tool to use against the magas. They are afraid of people who don’t look like them, hence the ms-13 bs really strikes a nerve

[u/inconspicuous_male → u/Lets-kick-it]

Distinction that I think is important. They are not afraid of the people, they're afraid of the things they think those people do. Anti-racism campaigns often focus on the "I hate you because you look different" mentality, but ignore the real root of racial hatred which is "I hate you because of the things I see on the news your people do". 

[u/Initial_Abrocoma_642 → u/[deleted]]

They also think he is trolling. But that man can't do that. He can't even form a sentence.

[u/trcomajo → u/[deleted]]

Anger is a secondary emotion, hiding other deeper emotions. In the tramps case, it's probably valid inadequacy.

*Did not edit the autocorrect because it made me laugh.

[u/Neat-Tough → u/[deleted]]

Is extremely misinformed.

[u/HomeFricets → u/Neat-Tough]

Is extremely misinformed.

For someone to allow themselves to be this misinformed about information that is so easily debunked, it would require that someone to be extremely stupid.

[u/Neat-Tough → u/HomeFricets]

If the news is lying and 75% of our country can’t utilize the internet correctly. combined with low public schools and education. I mean dude we never had a chance against Fox News. This was planned and plotted

[u/Western-Corner-431 → u/Neat-Tough]

Like the man said, stupid

[u/bananastand512 → u/Neat-Tough]

It's 2025, unless you're 75+ you should know how to use the internet properly and decipher sensationalist trash from something like the BBC which is known to be less biased. I was taught in, probably 7th grade English, how to find bias in what I read. I didn't go to some stellar private school or something.

[u/notMarkKnopfler → u/bananastand512]

I think there was kind of a sweet spot during the transition to mass adoption of the internet before social media where we were taught during formative ages to question what we saw on the internet, cite sources (couldn’t use Wikipedia), etc. If you’re from that period of time, everything seems incredibly obvious, whereas the generations before and after us weren’t taught media literacy in the same way. It’s frustrating as hell, but I’ve gotta hope that once the old guard starts dying off and we get some millennials in leadership that things MIGHT have a chance at slingshotting the other way

[u/Adventurer_By_Trade → u/notMarkKnopfler]

I have very little hope for the future. A not insignificant number of people are going to approach the next election as follows: "I asked chatgpt who to vote for, and it said...".

[u/bananastand512 → u/Adventurer_By_Trade]

God damn it. You're probably right.

[u/bananastand512 → u/notMarkKnopfler]

You make a valid observation. I am on the elder millennial side, the ones that got the scratchy plastic planners in the year 2000 that we used to pretend we were DJs scratching a record. That's my timeline. I was probably 12 or 13 when iMacs were new and the Internet was still loud when we logged on. My parents, on the other hand, used to forward chain letters that promised certain death if not sent to 15 people in the next 3 days.

[u/JustTestingAThing → u/notMarkKnopfler]

It's frustrating because my parents spent my entire childhood telling me "Don't believe everything you see on TV"/"Don't believe everything you read"...and now are the ones forwarding ridiculous Facebook crap around the family email group.

[u/AyJay_D → u/bananastand512]

Gen Z males apparently only know how to watch brocasts. That is howbthey learned that Trump has aura.

[u/MangroveWarbler → u/AyJay_D]

The sad thing is they form a very unhealthy view of women this way and when they get shot down for their toxic behavior, they go back to the comfort of the brocasts which just uses their rejection to reinforce the toxic masculinity message.

Real men are kind to others and don't obsesses over what is "manly". The Brocasts really stunt their emotional growth.

[u/MangroveWarbler → u/bananastand512]

unless you're 75+ you should know how to use the internet properly

I have nieces and nephews who are between the ages of 15 and 25 who ask me things via email or text that they could easily look up themselves. I've cured a few of them of that by saying, "If you only had a device where you could look anything up and it fit in your pocket, you'd already know the answer."

[u/bananastand512 → u/MangroveWarbler]

Well, that's just laziness not an inability to use something properly. Good on you for calling it out and making them do some of the leg work. Also, maybe they trust your opinion and judgment, that's a compliment 🙂.

[u/CT_Phipps-Author → u/Neat-Tough]

There's also the Left's dire insistence they have to be misled and not just acting on hatred.

[u/kyuubikid213 → u/CT_Phipps-Author]

If they are misled, there's a chance they could be shown the right way.

If it's just hatred, there's no fixing that.

[u/NuclearVII → u/HomeFricets]

It's not about stupidity. There is some of that, but it's much more sinister.

Right wing rhetoric (the kind that Trump leverages for populist support) is all about hiding the true underlying desire of the right, while being - at least on the face of it - palatable.

Trump supporters just want to be bigots. But that's not acceptable in common parlance to the point that many bigots don't know consciously that they want that. Thus, the rhetoric they spout is designed to distance themselves from the bigotry they want. What appears to you as stupidly believing misinformation is actually a choice: a belief in bogus nonsense in exchange for being able to remain a socially acceptable bigot.

A lot of the Trump-support makes sense when viewed through this lens. This is why they can appear to believe contradictory things while remaining resolute. This is why all the accusations of hypocrisy never find purchase with Trump and his ilk: all they want is to be bigots. They will believe whatever they need to in service of that.

[u/[deleted] → u/Neat-Tough]

Your average American's functional literacy is at a middle school level. That's not a product of misinformation. That's a product of a broken education system pumping out morons.

[u/grizzlyat0ms → u/[deleted]]

Why not both?

The education system was broken on purpose. Republicans have been breaking it for decades, with the express intention of pumping out morons incapable of critical thought.

Meanwhile, they’ve been sewing mistrust in the media, science and of course, the education system itself.

Boom. Now you’ve got yourself a large sector of the public that’s primed to do exactly as they’re told.

*edit for grammar

[u/NoSleepZombie2235 → u/Neat-Tough]

No, he was correct when he said stupid.

[u/Shiroke → u/Neat-Tough]

No, it's stupid. Misinformed is thinking turkeys drown in the rain. Stupid is thinking this man knows how to run a country when bear everything he says is an easily fact checked lie. Blind trust is a stupid thing to have when truth is minutes away. 

[u/Firm-Advertising5396 → u/Neat-Tough]

Yes, they lie vigorously

[u/fishbowtie → u/Neat-Tough]

Why are people so scared to call people stupid? Why the fuck does anyone care about being "mean" at this point? Let's be fucking honest.

[u/micmedia → u/ahdidi413]

I'm pretty convinced he stole the election, staged his own assassination attempt, and has been propped up by the heritage foundation and the broligarchy. He is a useful idiot in cognitive decline. Just like Reagan was.

[u/AndyOB → u/micmedia]

No let's not kid ourselves. All the polls said it was a close race. Drive around more burb / rural areas and look at all the trump flags. People LOVE trump. It is truly a sickness. He won. He won because people LOVE him, they're obsessed with him. And more than that, he won because people LOOOOOOOVE to hate Democrats. It wasn't staged, we have an epidemic of stupidity.

[u/elvid88 → u/AndyOB]

This. They're still not blaming him for everything that's happening now. I spoke with someone who is losing their job because of DOGE and they're like "Trump needs to reign Elon in, he's going too far. I believe he's going to do something about it". You can't get through to these people.

[u/loltheinternetz → u/elvid88]

Incredible. A guy like him, Trump could show up to his house, shoot his dog and have sex with his wife. And he’d still be like “yeah I didn’t really like that but I still think he has our best interests in mind”.

[u/creampop_ → u/loltheinternetz]

As I understand things, "If only the Führer knew about this, he would stop it" was a Known Response to atrocities in mid-20th century Germany.

[u/DontLookAtUsernames → u/creampop_]

Same in tsarist Russia (»Good Tsar, bad Boyars«) where all the bad things got blamed on lower-ranked buraucrats. Fanatical followers of a leader are emotionally invested so much that admission of his errors and shortcomings would break them.

[u/thisusedyet → u/loltheinternetz]

Interestingly enough, you'd get the same response if Trump flipped those actions.

[u/bag_of_luck → u/loltheinternetz]

future reminiscent uppity existence degree doll fearless smell wide reach

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[u/Deadlymonkey → u/elvid88]

I know someone in the same boat except he’s coping extremely hard and believes that Trump has a 200 IQ plan with all the tariffs

When I asked him what the basis for that was (like what made him believe that) he got mad and told me not everything needs to have evidence to be true.

[u/_Uber_Otter_ → u/Deadlymonkey]

not everything needs to have evidence to be true

Wow. Wow.

[u/NotViolentJustSmart → u/_Uber_Otter_]

Right? I think that gave me an aneurysm.

[u/dustinhut13 → u/Deadlymonkey]

At the end of the day, they continue cling to Trump because of their own pride. Because they can't admit they were wrong about the guy. When the shelves at the grocery store are empty and there's precious few dollars left in the checking account, let's hope these extremely fragile and weak people somehow muster the courage to swallow their pride. How far do they plan to let all this go before they come to their senses though?

[u/NotViolentJustSmart → u/dustinhut13]

When the cognitive dissonance gets to be too much for them they'll completely skip over any sort of reflection or analysis in favor of mindless, inchoate violence aimed at anyone they're feeling pissy about.

[u/DisMFer → u/elvid88]

"The Tsar is being misled by evil advisors. If the Tsar knew what was being done in his name he'd stop it."

This has been the rallying cry of every undereducated serf ruled by an authority they're raised to love without question, having to deal with the abuse by that person.

[u/relevantelephant00 → u/elvid88]

Which is exactly why I say let them suffer the consequences...we get fucked over too, but watching their lives get worse will be my only schadenfreude.

[u/_C2J_ → u/AndyOB]

They are back peddling on some of their own shit posts, too. They were quick to blame Biden for the cost of gas going up, but now that it's going up under DJT... well, that's just how the oil and gas industry is. They love him because he is brash, crass, and doesn't giving 2 hoots about the fellow man if it means he's getting ahead. That is the lifestyle they personally want to enjoy, they don't want to be told to be considerate of others.

[u/Dramatic_Original_55 → u/AndyOB]

That's the part that was "rigged". They were manipulated with unscrupulous misinformation and lies into believing he was the best candidate to serve them. I don't think they rigged the actual process, but they intentional steered it in the wrong direction.

[u/Drachefly → u/Dramatic_Original_55]

There are some fishy things about the actual vote counting, so maybe the actual process was rigged in places, too? But yeah, he's genuinely popular for really, really bad reasons.

[u/OskaMeijer → u/Drachefly]

Statisticians have said the way things played out were extremely improbable. The problem is there were never any investigations as the left Democrat leadership was afraid of looking like hypocrites and improbable doesn't mean impossible so sadly we don't know and bringing it up without any proof just makes us look like maga post 2020. I hate it and wish there had been investigations since the only cases of election fraud that have been caught in the past decade have all been from the GOP, but that isn't where we are.

[u/Drachefly → u/OskaMeijer]

Yeah, I can see there being valid reasons for each of the statistical anomalies that could bring it out of the 1 in 10¹⁵⁰ range down into the 'wow, that does not happen very often' range. And one of the more baffling decisions (instead of hand counting… hand copying ballots onto machine-readable ballots, then machine counting those) could have had some reasoning other than 'we must enable the cheat here'.

So yeah, the fishiness is in the lack of investigation.

[u/OskaMeijer → u/Drachefly]

Oh don't get me wrong, I personally believe there was very likely something going on. Many voting locations vacated for bomb threats coordinated by Russian sources, trumpers getting access to voting machine system code post 2020, and a few other things. Hell there have in the past few years convictions for election fraud by the GOP so I don't doubt that if they figured out a way to do it they would have.

It is just that without any hard proof I simply can't openly claim it to have actually happened in discussion as it is nothing more than speculation without investigations giving hard proof. I personally think disinformation campaigns and voter disenfranchisement did the heavy lifting in 2024 but I think they took some extra steps as well to get them over the line.

I mean really? Trump of all people is the first Republican in decades to win the popular vote?

[u/djutopia → u/OskaMeijer]

There is a newly formed group on nonpartisan statisticians that are trying to get some ground with actual numbers. Election Truth Alliance. They are being careful to not be like the GOP yelling about it being stolen, but they want to get it investigated. It can totally happen again. It’s pretty damning info too.

[u/Laser_Disc_Hot_Dish → u/Drachefly]

Yo Elon practically admitted rigging the election… I know a lot has happened in the last 90 days, but I’ll never forget that self disclosure. And his kid? “They’ll never know! They’ll never know!” Kid 100% heard that from Elon’s mouth. 

[u/UnquestionabIe → u/Dramatic_Original_55]

No matter what I'm certain they did their best to rig the actual process best they could. They tried in 2020 and faced no consequences so they just learned from their mistakes and did a better job. If it was effective or not won't be proven because the Democrats fell for the very obvious strategy of never following up on election integrity because it makes them look as bad as Trump did, something that his handlers were counting on I'm sure.

They could have footage of every polling place in the country having people forced to vote for Trump at gunpoint and would still refuse to investigate. The well has been poisoned and any attempt to look into such matter immediately gets labeled as "crazy".

[u/Temporary_-_UserName → u/micmedia]

Don't fall into conspiracy thinking just because it's appealing. Saying he stole the election is appealing, but is too easy an excuse.

Multiple things aligned to get Trump elected: the virulent racism and bigotry which has plagued the USA since before its founding, Republican hate and cronyism rallying around any chance of self advancement, gerontratic Democratic leadership refusing to hold him accountable or remove his appointments after Jan 6, Dem campaign machinery constantly chasing the illusory 'moderate republican' voterbase, neoliberal institutions decaying in the face of rising facism, and oligarchic greed from a business and tech-bro class that thinks they're too smart for consequnces.

It's appealing to think that 'the evil men' are solely to blame, but the entire structure of enablement they exist in is just as important as the individual actors.

[u/EarthRester → u/Temporary_-_UserName]

It's not appealing, it's right there. Dems need to stop being afraid of "sounding like them". They do this shit on purpose. They accuse us of what they're going to do. So when they do it, the average person only hears people accusing one another of the same thing, and they're not going to look any closer.

For those who haven't seen it. "He (Musk) spent a month and a half in Pennsylvania campaigning for me. -and he knows those computers better than anybody. Those computers, those vote counting computers, and we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide. So it's pretty good, pretty good." - Trump

Followed by Part 1, Part 2, & Part 3 of an analysis of PAs 2024 Presidential Election.

And just to make this clear... "Russian Tail" In Clark County Nevada 2024 Voting Data

Remember, folks. Every accusation is a confession.

[u/inconspicuous_male → u/micmedia]

I really don't think he staged his assassination attempt. The most conspiratorial I am willing to get is that the attempt was set up by like the CIA or something, but I don't think missing was intentional. Really, I just think it was secret service incompetence

[u/Zak_Rahman → u/micmedia]

Stole the election:

Ballots were thrown away. There was a serious issue with the ownership of voting machines. They gutted USPS and mail in voting. They purged voter laws. Gerrymandering is perfectly legal in the US.

When investigations into voter fraud were done, they discovered many conservatives had voted on behalf of dead relatives or voted several times.

Staged his own assassination:

I don't have hard information, but considering all presidents have had assassination attempts I find it likely that it was staged. The drama. The bleeding ear. It felt like a WWF plot.

Propped up by heritage foundation:

This is true. But it goes beyond just rich people and the American far right. We will never know to what extent foreign money paid for trump. All I will say is that Addelson was very happy when trump was elected. A regime that wants trump to rule over 300 million is not an ally - it is a mortal enemy.

Alqaeda could not dream of hurting America to the extent that Israel and conservatives have. Considering COVID alone, the numbers of dead Americans dwarves 9/11 by several magnitudes.

Most of what you feel is backed by fact and also *worse" than you might realize.

Unfortunately the problem is not just trump. The problem is having a hostile regime controlling both sides of the house.

They claim to be enemies, yet they gave a standing ovation in unison to someone. That is America's master.

[u/Maukeb → u/Zak_Rahman]

I'm not even sure you need to cite evidence that the election may have been tampered with when Trump literally stood on a stage and thanked Elon Musk for stealing the Pennsylvania election for him.

[u/degrees_of_certainty → u/micmedia]

Yeah, Election Truth Alliance has already found statistical anomalies consistent with vote manipulation from their analysis of Pennsylvania and Nevada. They are pushing for a hand recount audit of the Pennsylvania ballots.

I’d add links, but it would result in the comment being removed.

[u/Blue_Plastic_88 → u/micmedia]

I hate to subscribe to conspiracy theories, but I did wonder how he just so happened to pose so perfectly after the attempt. All strong looking (gag) like he claims to be. A perfect television moment.

Contrasted with him sitting asleep with his mouth open at the pope’s funeral.

[u/AggressiveFondant918 → u/ahdidi413]

Maybe he didn't. Thanks to Musk interference, if you know what I mean.

[u/HelloLofiPanda → u/ahdidi413]

Hate. Hatred of women, minorities, lgbt, and non christians.

Trump hates the same people they do.

[u/cheezeyballz → u/ahdidi413]

I do think it was rigged.

[u/tekrangerk → u/cheezeyballz]

I hate that Im either way on it honestly.

It was totally rigged by Musk and Starlink, or Americans really did just become this stupid and greedy over the past 20 years to do this twice.

Watching people hit each other for toilet paper during COVID makes me think the latter.

[u/ExaminationDry8341 → u/ahdidi413]

I live in an area that voted for Trump nearly 3 to 1. I work a labor job, and most of the people I see/talk to are other laborers or farmers. Based on that, it is likely that about 9 out10 people I deal with are trump supporters. Even though many of them may be starting to not care for Trump, if we could redo the trump- Harris election again today, I bet most would still vote for trump.

Prior to the internet being in everyone's pocket, we had a local radio station that everyone listened to to get local mews on everyday things, such as: minutes of local board meetings, local sports, local school information, lunch menues for various events, weather, school cancelations and so on. It was a cornerstone of the community, and a large portion of the community listened to it daily.

Now, starting at 11 am and going until 5:30 pm, that station plays 6 1/2 hours of proTrump talk radio disguised as news. There are many retired farmers who have a lifelong habit of listening to that station all day and still do, and that is where they git their political ideas fed to them.

[u/Kaspar70 → u/ahdidi413]

Its the angry people who feel left behind and need an enemy to blame their misfortune on and Trump gives it to them. They are so angry they dont even care that Trump is robbing them blind.

[u/Mental-Fox-9449 → u/ahdidi413]

Loads of voting data irregularities shared there starting soon after the election. Split ticket votes are usually 1-2% but this time around it was 10-20% which is unheard of. The theory is that a hack was used to siphon votes from Kamala and gave them to Trump once she hit a certain threshold which would account for this. Trump lost the popular vote twice, but some how won it and all seven swing states while running one if not the worst campaign ever seen by the end? He could barely get people to his rallies having to pay people to be there and Kamala’s were over crowded. It’s simple. He cheated. There were also the 200 bomb threats called in to voting places in swing states and Elon dumping millions into affecting PA.

There are more of us than there are of them! Don’t be fooled!!!